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Post by andy12345 on Nov 5, 2009 18:55:34 GMT
EDIT OMG. Russell Barkley had a twin brother who had ADHD, but died in a car crash. I did not know that, but then he only mentioned it in the ADHD/Drink/drug driving section etc. EDIT 2 PROBLEMS WITH VIDEO? You will need realplayer TMJust refresh the page F5 reload or ctrl f5 (force the reload of the page -but not from your computer cache) If you have a laptop you may need to use Fn combination or something.. You can't really choose what part to watch unfortunately, start from the beginning of course...... I think this vid link should be added to the reservoir here. Russel Barkley, ADHD global specialist researcher etc etc, talks about how Emotional control issues should be considered a big part of ADHD, namely added to DSM-5..... circa 2012. stream.buffalo.edu/shared/devo/CCF/Barkley/rnh.htm______ When I first joined I asked lots of questions about ADHD/moods/borderline personality disorder/depression and the crosslinked symptoms etc etc. Borderline PD is noted as a very nasty personality disorder to have. I have some symptoms of it which I theorise would hopefully decline upon diagnosis and medication for ADHD. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder#Diagnostic_criteria_.28DSM-IV-TR_.3D_301.83.29He is basically pushing that overly dramatic emotional responses, blown out of all proportion (similar to BPD) which have been noted in ADHD symptomatic disorders (but not yet given the ADHD title) from 1798 but were never included, SHOULD be included. Interestingly enough, there are groups that believe that Borderline personality disorder should be renamed Emotional dysregulation disorder....... As they say, go figure........ For those who were in doubt or did not know, it seems quite clear that BorderlinePD and ADHD can easily share the same emotion over-reaction. Does this mean some borderlinePD adults, actually could have ADHD, but were never clearly diagnosed, because ADHD was not considered to exist in Adults until recently?? In the years to come, hopefully things will all become much clearer cut.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2009 23:22:38 GMT
Was interested in the part were he stated MPH block emotion and Strattera/atomoxetine, doesnt hmmm, I wonder if thats what anti depressants do aswell?
As as soon as start to get emotional just seems to stop on cytraplam or however its spelt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2010 8:51:52 GMT
Borderline personality disorder has been one of the things I have wondered in the past whether I have it or not, but I remember thinking that it wasn't a good fit for me. I have always been over sensitive and over reacting but I am always rational in as much *what* I get upset about is sensible it is just the extreme expression that isn't sensible! But someone kindly said to me that if we lived in Italy it wouldn't be so much of a problem. Some of the troubles ADHD causes I think would not have been problematic in a different time or place, and I think, thinking and reacting really fast could have been an advantage. ? I am new to this, it isn't very long ago that I realised ADHD was my missing piece of my jigsaw, I have only been assessed so early because I have gone private. So any info given to me is greatly appreciated. There has been some great info on this site. So, does anyone else think that ADHD symptoms could have been advantageous years and years ago?? Before society became so obsessed with trying to be "civilised" and controlled (and failing with even typical brain function) , and forgot about just living? ? Sorry, If I am too speculative about "why" questions, it's a failing of mine I do realise!!! (ALthough, I am interested in practical questions too)
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Post by sirrah on Mar 18, 2010 20:53:12 GMT
Thanks for posting this. A few months ago I was without a doubt that I had ADHD, but then I stumbled across BPD, and was like.. wow. This explains all of my emotional problems that ADHD just didn't account for! Nothing I'd read about ADHD said much about the quick temper, the blowing everything out of proportion and the chronic insecurity - surely I had additional problems, or something else entirely?
I've also been reading the work of Dr Charles Parker, who also gets this, and looks at real functioning rather than meaningless labels.
Goes to show just how obsolete the DSM is, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2010 23:27:25 GMT
I read the wiki description of BPD and yes much of it could describe the experience of a person with ADHD combined with clinical depression but there are distinctive mood swings which do differentiate it from adhd. Quick temper blowing things out of proportion and chronic insecurity are all part of the impulsive side Adhd and there is a fair bit written about that.
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 26, 2010 14:30:58 GMT
Could have both as well......
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Post by rachel2050 on Sept 17, 2010 18:43:59 GMT
Hey 39abc - this is such an old thread you may never read this but just in case.... in response to your comments from a while back... cant work italics out so have opted for "" "Some of the troubles ADHD causes I think would not have been problematic in a different time or place, and I think, thinking and reacting really fast could have been an advantage. ? So, does anyone else think that ADHD symptoms could have been advantageous years and years ago?? Before society became so obsessed with trying to be "civilised" and controlled (and failing with even typical brain function) , and forgot about just living? ?" Yeah - I read a book called hunters and farmers, it wasn’t the best book ive read on adhd (no jokes now people ive only read 4 ;-) in which if i remember properly says that hunting communities have a much higher prevalence of adhd and that the constant scanning of the environment (hence my disastrous restaurant dates!!) and jumping to the chase etc are "hunting genes" also said adhd business people need "farmers" to get the admin type stuff done. I did advertise for a farmer but no body applied. Ok now that was a crap joke....aaaaand im here all week!! Does make you think though! Shame im a vegetarian really.
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Post by phil on Sept 18, 2010 13:24:25 GMT
on the subject of B.P.D does that not have a self harming eliment?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2010 7:20:11 GMT
on the subject of B.P.D does that not have a self harming eliment? Yes it does. My brother was diagnosed 4 years ago with Borderline.. He does cut himself. But its not just the cutting. Its any kind of selfharm. Meaning this could be alcohol or tablets to the extend to end up in hospital or further.. Just for the other written stuff: The high temper and quick snapping, I have too, but I am no BPD. I find it actually quiet amazing how quick I can react and snap.. Its nothing nice as such, but very interesting.. lol I have to look for the Huntingbook mentioned earlier in this thread..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 15:23:46 GMT
The main difference between ADHD & BPD is that BPD is considered an egosyntonic condition where the persons behaviours, values & feelings are in harmony with or acceptable to the needs & goals of the ego, or consistent with ones ideal self image. Which basically means they believe there is nothing wrong with their behaviours, values & feelings in any way whatsoever as they serve the needs & goals of their ego (soul). This is why many many mental health professionals believe personality disorders are treatment resistent because they are in their eyes a delusion of the soul, which will never take responsibility for itself as there is nothing to take responsibility for. This is why obsessive compulsive personality disorder is classed as egosyntonic & obsessive compulsive disorder the opposite, egodystonic. Someone with OCD knows their behaviours are not normal, someone with OCPD does not. This is their theory anyway. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egosyntonicen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egodystonicen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorderNow ask yourself if ADHD is an egosyntonic disorder?? in my opinion how can it be, we are all looking for answers to our lives, our problems & our behaviours which means they are not in harmony with our ego & are not part of our ideal self image. Also ask yourself if someone with ADHD has an egosyntonic disorder, how can they also have an egodystonic one, that would be a total & complete contradiction. Therefore in my opinion the next time some overpaid & undereducated psych tries to question your whole personality (to have a personality disorder in its true sense means someones whole personality is flawed ) by saying you have BPD, or BPD comorbid with ADHD you may want to question the validity of that claim, it is a dustbin diagnosis which is used to label what they deem to be " difficult patients" that dont surrender & conform to the sub standard way that they wish to treat them & is a form of control. The saddest thing about this is that people who truly suffer from this disorder are often left crippled by the pain that caused it in the first place & recieve no proper care because of the inhumane & disgusting stigmatism that comes attached to it. Anyway, rant over but be warned, people are having this label attached to their files without their knowledge every day, & once it is there you will never be treated properly, never mind believed by any doctor, shrink, psychologist, police officer or employer out there who has access to that information. That pretty much then takes all your rights & power from you with three fatally destructive words you may never know exist, but are digitally tattoed with till your dying day. Paranoia ( awareness ) will set in that something is wrong & you are not being treated correctly ( which you aren't ) & you will feel like doctors etc. are talking behind your back ( which they are ). This will then be used against you as being "paranoid ideation & delusional". You will then become more suspicious, defensive & hostile, frustrated, fearful & aggressive ( all natural reactions to being stigmatised, manipulated, lied about & labelled without your knowledge ). This will then be used against you as " symptoms of a personality disorder"...... & so it goes on. A good question would be " is it possible for the mental health service to falsely manifest a disorder in somebody through ignorance, incompetence & malpractice " ?? Mmmmmmmm ? now theres one to think about :-o
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Post by andy12345 on Jan 24, 2011 18:20:26 GMT
Nice post Rabbit.
Let's not also forget that some doctors will have a disorder/s as well, so if you cross them, they may just screw you up because it makes their day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 20:42:16 GMT
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Post by andy12345 on Jan 24, 2011 20:48:50 GMT
"expert" using antipsychotics on an adhd type. Idiot!
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Post by mavster on Jan 24, 2011 21:17:16 GMT
"expert" using antipsychotics on an adhd type. Idiot! Sadly I have experience of ssri's and lithium . I feel it is all too common on the nhs
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 21:19:32 GMT
Probably took notice that the diazepam monged me out before & hoped the respiridone would make me go away, shut up & put up.. not too bright really ! Seems like her attention to detail is lacking considerably too & her ability to retain information from one paragraph to the next is severely impared lol... she should join the club :-)
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Post by andy12345 on Jan 24, 2011 21:21:42 GMT
Oh, bloody hell. Would you believe it?
Not one, but two!!
I was delving some of my printed research, aadduk threads and nhs mind med leaflets.
I have "just" been reading the leaflets on.
1) Lithium, as mavster responded to this thread.
Then 2) risperidone, as rabbittype, responded.
Well, obviously, the leaflets take a few mins to read (skim) but I had just read risperidone as you responded, rabbit.
I had 6 leaflets, so what are the odds of that? It must be a hidden message to take both............
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Post by andy12345 on Jan 24, 2011 21:30:03 GMT
It seems that the trouble with most meds is that it's like fitting 5 square plugs into 3 square holes and 2 triangular ones......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 21:38:33 GMT
Mmmm !? SSRI's mavster... i have always been wary of those, seem to work with your general ability to exist but cause side effects that make existing somewhat painful. As for lithium, never tried it but as its used to augment antidepressants as a second line of treatment i would probably doubt its effectiveness as a step forward, probably just end up more detatched from emotions. ( Didnt kurt cobain do a song called Lithium ? )
As for mirtazapine only side effect i dislike is its effect on weight gain, that is unless you consider a good nights sleep, serotonin release, & its lack of sexual side effects rather than re uptake inhibition & a good anti anxiety profile a side effect ?
Alongside the Dopamine, norepinephrine reuptake inhibition & stimulant action of Wellbutrin it works a treat for me. "He who shouts loudest gets served" ... something to remember when it comes to medication via the NHS... dont be disuaded & dont be ignored. SSRis dont work for everybody & they shouldn't have to be educated on this .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 21:44:39 GMT
Very common Mavster & very misguided.. SSris have many side effects some people just cant tolerate & as for Lithium i have no experience but it seems it would just exaggerate the negative as well as positive SSri effects. Not for me & he who shouts loudest generally gets served. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropionen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirtazapine
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Post by mavster on Jan 24, 2011 21:52:22 GMT
The ssris changed my personality completely and I regard them as quite dangerous . As for the Lithium I can't remember that much from it except it is very powerful
good song with lyrics . I know about shaving the head though as I did in in the middle of a restaurant with some hair clippers that I had just purchased much to the horror of my parents
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Post by andy12345 on Jan 24, 2011 21:54:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 21:56:03 GMT
Why cant i type faster on these things, end up posting things then forgetting ive posted them & posting almost the same thing again .. Aaaargh :-o
Nicely said Andy.. thats why the powers that be would rather you didnt know or understand what the 5 square plugs did or what the 3 square holes & 2 triangular ones diagnosis was.... Its fundamentally a power trip that can only be won through education, research & bloody mindedness !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 22:04:20 GMT
I like it.. im not gonna crack ! I miss you im not gonna crack ! Mirtazapine can treat alcohol & cocaine withdrawal ... Addictions a bitch ! Love Nirvana havent heard that in a while.
Understand the ssri personality bit it kinda replaces natural reaction to emotive stimuli.
Were you angry when you were in the restaraunt Mavster coz thats seriously impulsive man i love it :-)
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Post by mavster on Jan 24, 2011 22:25:52 GMT
I like it.. im not gonna crack ! I miss you im not gonna crack ! Mirtazapine can treat alcohol & cocaine withdrawal ... Addictions a bitch ! Love Nirvana havent heard that in a while. Understand the ssri personality bit it kinda replaces natural reaction to emotive stimuli. Were you angry when you were in the restaraunt Mavster coz thats seriously impulsive man i love it :-) Not at all , I had long hair and just fancied a change . The worst part was that the battery only had a tiny bit of charge from out the box so I washalf way through when it ran out . I must have looked a right tit by the time dinner arrived and on the trip home on public transport
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 22:33:48 GMT
Quality :-) now thats what i call a night out !!
I think what Cobain meant when he said he shaved his head was that he became bold... in a spiritual sense though :-)
Hey at least you went the whole hog, now thats dedication.
A friend of mine bic razored his head in the bath one day, looked like he' d had a shampoo & rinse by Freddie Kruger... i always blamed that on the illegal stims though lol ;-)
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Post by mavster on Jan 24, 2011 22:38:22 GMT
that hurts , I used to have an undercut and asked a girl I fancied to do it to me with that method on a minibus trip down to the ardech in france on a canoe trip with the army cadets when I was 15 , I remember being cut to F . I really should learn my lesson from these things . I tried illegal stims when younger but only base , now that was a dirty drug . I remember the spine shivers as my body was trying to shut down after 3 days awake
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 23:10:07 GMT
Shivers ?.. more like being twisted from the inside out . That stuff would kill you in the end... like they say, almost the right drug but wrong dose, its an ADDers nightmare. Hey man, didnt mean to hurt your feelings, you gotta see the funny side though we have all done crazy shit like that in our time, at least were not boring eh ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 15:21:25 GMT
That pretty much then takes all your rights & power from you with three fatally destructive words you may never know exist, but are digitally tattoed with till your dying day. Paranoia ( awareness ) will set in that something is wrong & you are not being treated correctly ( which you aren't ) & you will feel like doctors etc. are talking behind your back ( which they are ). This will then be used against you as being "paranoid ideation & delusional". You will then become more suspicious, defensive & hostile, frustrated, fearful & aggressive ( all natural reactions to being stigmatised, manipulated, lied about & labelled without your knowledge ). This will then be used against you as " symptoms of a personality disorder"...... & so it goes on. A good question would be " is it possible for the mental health service to falsely manifest a disorder in somebody through ignorance, incompetence & malpractice " ?? Mmmmmmmm ? now theres one to think about :-o This resonates with me rather painfully. I don't want to go into my story in too much detail right now but I had a false diagnosis of manic depression foisted on me years ago, when I was sectioned and treated with maximum doses of anti-psychotics and I've always had the paranoid feeling that I've been followed around ever since by people whispering in the ear of any client/employer I've ever had. I now have some evidence of this. I'd appreciate a chat with anyone who's had similar experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 14:30:00 GMT
rachel2050,
I don't buy into hunters and farmers theory although it was the first theory I knew about and it made more sense than now. Now I don't think having this disorder helps to hunt at all. Unless it's hunting for flies or zebras. It's too primitive for humans. Actually when a hunter is looking at his target, he doesn't want to be distracted with all the noises around. If he's a lion then there isn't a lot of threats for him around to be constantly anxious about everything that moves and sounds. It drains the energy. You want to focus and have a plan and that's what hunters with ADHD can't do. I don't get how it would ever be useful for anything.
This theory makes sense only when you first learn about ADHD, it's optimistic (although what's good in knowing that your skills were useful a billion years ago and you have them now, what a luck). But then when you learn more it doesn't.
And if we're talking about hyperactivity then I don't think a hunter who doesn't control his impulses is good.
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