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Post by Mouse on Sept 25, 2011 22:36:06 GMT
"Actually when a hunter is looking at his target, he doesn't want to be distracted with all the noises around."
I thought the point that Thom Hartmann was making was that during the hunting process that ability to totally focus on the prey was what ensured success and the brain was not distracted at that point. I think he also wrote that hunters in a tribe would have been trained from a very young age (guided/taught how to hunt), and that combined with practice, working with others and harnessing his ability to assess a situation extremely quickly and being constantly alert / looking around, until the moment when precision / total focus is required.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 22:22:13 GMT
Yes. But, unfortunately, Thom Hartmann was wrong. Or he still is.
I don't believe ADDers can focus on anything and not be distracted with obvious exception of that thing being very new, very stimulating and quite complex. I don't think seeing 987's zebra's back would be stimulating enough for a hunter. Thom Hartman should go hunt for tigers with ADDers and test for himself.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 17:07:06 GMT
Oh, and a hunter living in Avatar's Pandora world might have less problems with concentrating. But we don't have that many interesting species to hunt for in our world.
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Post by twix on Oct 19, 2011 17:44:59 GMT
Its the hyper focus thing. An ADHDer hyperfocused on something will not notice the kitchen setting on fire or similar.
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Post by lambylottie on Jul 20, 2012 11:54:37 GMT
I am a huge hyper focusser, particularly with computers! As is my 5 year old daughter! You could run around me naked, twirling big glittery pom poms and I wouldn't notice and the same for my child! x
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 3, 2012 20:54:56 GMT
Yay, this thread got well derailed. I'm proud of you all
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Post by cdsinuk on Aug 4, 2012 18:16:35 GMT
i find the more you read about all of these disorders you can link certain behaviours of your own, i mean if i put all the symptoms together i have read, then i would have BPD add/adhd/pstd/bi polar/ aspergers/depression/sepration anxiety etc etc so how the hell are you supposed to tell them apart, i mean FFS i might have em all, how disconcerting lol wheres the train station....... i guess whatever we are suffering from its not nice and we need help, i guess i will be leaving it up to the experts, all i know is i dont function like a so called normal human being, but from what ive seen and encountered in life, im glad im like this, there are some rotten bastards out there apparently who dont have problems....
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 4, 2012 18:20:16 GMT
Cd, that sounds like one of my "large" posts from 2009, but you condensed it to only 5 lines (shakes fist in admiration) I was hitting the ADD/autism/borderline, dysthymia, anxiety, avoidance blend of things.
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Post by cdsinuk on Aug 4, 2012 18:37:47 GMT
its unusual for me Andy... i must be on a good day, i am usually 10 pages to explain something i could say in one sentance lol well i was dx BPD in 1994, i have assessment for ADHD on wednesday for NHS i already have adhd DX private, , but i bet i cant even get a word out on wednesday and end up DX with something else again lol,
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Post by Barliman on Jun 7, 2013 0:36:13 GMT
Yes. But, unfortunately, Thom Hartmann was wrong. Or he still is. I don't believe ADDers can focus on anything and not be distracted with obvious exception of that thing being very new, very stimulating and quite complex. I don't think seeing 987's zebra's back would be stimulating enough for a hunter. Thom Hartman should go hunt for tigers with ADDers and test for himself. I hate to be so blunt but I suspect you may be wrong on both points. 1) The symptoms of ADHD are situational- and to qualify for the diagnosis one must have symptoms causing disability/difficulty in more than one domain of life. One of the reasons ADHD is a controversial diagnosis is tht so many of us focus well in some areas that we enjoy- but not in others- even to the point of hyperfocus. 2) Hartmann's "Hunter/Farmer model" is consistently misrepresented, usually by people who have not actually read what he is proposing. Russell Barkely is a particular offender in this area- I have listened to him on this subject, and on the subject of "ADHD advantages" like creativity. He has not read more than the head title of the model, and when he argues against it he is attacking a straw man that is demonstrably false. 3) The full model that Hartmann is proposing is a variant of the "neurodiversity model" There is not a one to one mapping of the genotypes associated with ADHD onto the phenotype of ADHD. In fact, Hartmann is proposing that in situations more ideal to healthy child development the phenotype will be one of "attention difference"- a person with far sighted vision, a lateral way of seeing problems, and a natural talent for the sort of scanning attention that is ideal for hunting. My own feeling is that such individuals would have been natural leaders in tribal societies- especially shamans or medicine men. 4)The genotypes associated with ADHD are common enough for us to be sure they confer an advantage on the population that carries them. The real proposal is that current social conditions are toxic to normal child development, and ADHD is the expression of this in our genetic group. Rates of mental illness are increasing rapidly in the West. Social services cannot cope. Rates of physical illness- diabetes, obesity, hypertension etc also are on the rise. The USA is rapidly becoming the unhealthiest nation in the world (and has the most ADHD). It is expected that the current younger generation in the US will be the first one in about 150-200 years to have a shorter life expectancy than its parent's generation. The evidence for Hartmann's theory is everywhere.
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Post by chickster on Jul 30, 2013 15:17:45 GMT
Guys dont be too quick to self diagnose BPD. Its much more extreme than ADHD so while the two could be seen as similar they look very different to a professional. I used to see a psychiatrist who also treated bipolar & BPD & I told him I was worried I had BPD (was absolutely terrified TBH). He immediately told me no way (we had had a number of sessions, so its not we had only just met) he said if I had BPD my spending & other things (lack of sexual control) would be FAR more extreme. I dont think its a subtle condition. Overly dramatic in a BPD sense is throwing the telly out of the window because you cant get it to work, over dramatic in an ADHD sense (as far as I can tell - just based on me, & my father) is saying things like 'Oh for f*cks sake!' & getting cross. Both are over reactions to something minor, but are not the same thing.
Two things that could cause the insecurity/mood swings/reactions are depression & PTSD, as well as just ADHDness. Im just getting into this whole PTSD but it makes sense. A life spent being told you are sh*t & failing at things/annoying other people is going to leave pretty deep scars unless you had incredibly loving, understanding parents. Go easy on yourselves, you are not as bad as you think you are - & you have some pretty damn good reasons to be sensitive. A book Ive just read & LOVED is Getting Unstuck: Unravelling the Knot of Depression Attention & Trauma by Don Kerson. Ive reommended it a bit on here because it goes places other books dont. The guy has ADHD & is a doctor.
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