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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 13:46:07 GMT
Im a Plumbing teacher at college, I've had to choose a topic to research for my teaching qualification. I have chosen ADHD because i have had experience teaching a few students who have adhd, as does my nephew, and disagree with the general idea of dishing out ritalin to in my view " make every one conform" I have found in my limited experience that as long as i keep said students busy there is not an issue. As part of the research i intend to carry out a survey to provide me with 1st hand accounts of experiences in education. The research paper is not going to be published, it is purely something of interest to me personally and will hopefully highlight any areas i need to look at to improve my teaching and assist me in passing my teaching qualification. I have attempted some reading via numerous websites but a lot of the views are given by proffessors and health organisations etc. If i were to post a short questionaire would anyone be willing to complete??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 14:15:55 GMT
You've just turned up on our site with preconceived ideas about medication.
Well done.
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Post by kakema on Dec 6, 2010 18:37:04 GMT
Umm, I think what pd means to say (or maybe doesn't, but anyway) is, so long as you approach the question with an open mind, I'm sure you will get the help you're looking for.
Please don't assume you understand ADHD from watching those affected. It's a complex disorder, and many professionals themselves have at best only a partial understanding. I'm kept well busy but still think that meds would help.
Also, watch out for bad science - don't design your study to give you the answer you want.
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Post by rachel2050 on Dec 6, 2010 19:19:39 GMT
I agree - its human nature ( i think) to draw a conclusion and then work backwards, backing it up with any "evidence" we can find - we all do that to some degree im sure! Its great your interested and you obviously care about your adhd students - but it is a very complex thing and gets more so as you learn more about it - but a lot of us here have had it all our lives and are still learning about it ourselves so your in good company. I'm sure loads of people here will complete the survey but do keep an open mind as to the outcome. Im not being arrogant - until last Christmas i didn't even know adults could have adhd and i was a little sceptical about kids having it and uncomfortable with the idea of kids being medicated too....oh and all along i had it...bit embarrassing that!! So yeah, please don't think im knocking you - just enjoy the learning experience and keep an open mind. And good luck - enjoy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 19:27:20 GMT
What pd was trying to say is
I fought very long and very hard to get diagnosed (and medicated) and I can confidently say that some of us didn't survive that.
No parent or partner or any bugger made me do anything and I take Ritalin because I want to and if I don't want to it stays in the packet.
Anyone coming on here saying 'dishing out' and 'conform' is waving a red rag at a very angry bull.
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Post by kakema on Dec 6, 2010 19:31:29 GMT
;D
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Post by rachel2050 on Dec 6, 2010 19:38:51 GMT
Absolutely - i stand and i clap - people don't take medication for fun or attention, they do it (in a lot of cases) out of sheer necessity and in my case with a heavy heart and a lot of trepidation but necessity none the less. The whole process of getting diagnosed and any medication is incredibly stressful in very many ways ( i have often wondered how many people just give up along the way) and any feedback that medication is never necessary or a short cut or an easy option is not always going to get a good reaction
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Post by kakema on Dec 6, 2010 19:54:45 GMT
And to be fair to the planet, he's been putting up with it for longer than you and I, Campy.
And dontcha just love it when he gets all masterful and talks bull?
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Post by rachel2050 on Dec 6, 2010 20:02:02 GMT
Lol, i see a beautiful relationship developing..... but yep - why do us ladies like masterful so? Discuss. .... anyway...back to the important topic - ME i may be a newby but i am the most important person on this forum..... tell me its true... - grandiose...moi??
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Post by kakema on Dec 6, 2010 20:06:06 GMT
You're certainly special....
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Post by rachel2050 on Dec 6, 2010 20:14:10 GMT
Aw shucks shiny - now morph yourself into a man and whisk me away somewhere exciting - and make it snappy
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Post by kakema on Dec 6, 2010 20:45:06 GMT
No, you morph....no, you morph...no, you........I said it first.....
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Post by ChaosLily on Dec 6, 2010 21:49:51 GMT
Im a Plumbing teacher at college, I've had to choose a topic to research for my teaching qualification. I have chosen ADHD because i have had experience teaching a few students who have adhd, as does my nephew, and disagree with the general idea of dishing out ritalin to in my view " make every one conform" I have found in my limited experience that as long as i keep said students busy there is not an issue. As part of the research i intend to carry out a survey to provide me with 1st hand accounts of experiences in education. The research paper is not going to be published, it is purely something of interest to me personally and will hopefully highlight any areas i need to look at to improve my teaching and assist me in passing my teaching qualification. I have attempted some reading via numerous websites but a lot of the views are given by proffessors and health organisations etc. If i were to post a short questionaire would anyone be willing to complete?? You're a teacher, without a teaching qualification? How did you wing that? You say: '... I've had to choose a topic to research for my teaching qualification. I have chosen ADHD ...' followed by: '...The research paper is not going to be published, it is purely something of interest to me personally and will hopefully highlight any areas i need to look at to improve my teaching and assist me in passing my teaching qualification.' Seems odd. Oh, and it's 'professor', teacher.
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Post by rachel2050 on Dec 6, 2010 21:57:44 GMT
You don't need to be a qualified teacher to teach at some colleges - but why wouldn't you publish a research paper if you found something significant and it could contribute to adhd research? Especially when that publication could further your teaching career.
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Post by ChaosLily on Dec 6, 2010 22:03:38 GMT
...You don't need to be a qualified teacher to teach at some colleges ... That explains an awful lot
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Post by rachel2050 on Dec 6, 2010 22:08:57 GMT
Lol, Lol, ;D ...maybe mikerv is a great teacher but yeah - ive had some bad teaching experiences with unqualified "teachers" at colleges who don't need to be qualified just cant claim to have ones they don't have - and trust me ive done more courses than.....erm someone who's done a lot of something - more thsn the average in fact. There is a phrase in my mind somewhere but its gone walkabout, doh!
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Post by ChaosLily on Dec 6, 2010 22:15:25 GMT
There is a phrase in my mind somewhere but its gone walkabout, doh! Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach? (and as Jack Black added, those who can't teach, teach P.E.!!) I learned that from my mum after she met my Electronics tutor at college...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 12:17:01 GMT
Hi, thanks for the feedback.... Please allow me to apologise for any "preconcieved ideas" these arent set in stone and only highlight my ignorance . I can assure you my mind is totally open to anything related. How did i become a teacher? I don't consider myself to be an academic, started Plumbing upon leaving school at 15, apprenticeship then self employed, then got a job at college teaching the trade ive been doing for the last 25yrs to school leavers, apprentices and adults. I've passed 1st 2 years of teaching quals and am currently in the 3rd year which culminates in a 6500 word research paper on a subject of my choice. I've only just started it and discovered the amount of research available is mind numbing! If after completing the paper, the ones sat in their ivory chairs above me decided it would be worthy of publishing i'd be more than happy( and to be honest bloody gobsmacked!) to do so. I'm not sure of the questions i really need to ask and would welcome any suggestions.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 12:26:46 GMT
oh and Jack Black..School of Rock... legend!!
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Post by twix on Dec 8, 2010 13:08:13 GMT
Mike I'm a teacher with adhd I can have a chat with you sometime if you want...
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Post by rachel2050 on Dec 8, 2010 18:33:33 GMT
Hey Mikerv - cant help you im afraid but per hap you should post a bit more about what angle you are looking at things from and what you want to find out about as it a bit vague just giving you questions to ask.
By the way - my favourite colour is orange ;-)
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Post by rachel2050 on Dec 8, 2010 18:34:27 GMT
Could you tell im in a rush!!! - typo tastic! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 21:46:56 GMT
I have chosen the proposition " The consequences of adhd in education" There are so many questions and theories etc, I think ultimately i will not be able to prove or disprove any of the them and the conclusion will be along the lines of a 'need for further research'. Evolutionary theories vs science is of interest. also: Hunter vs. farmer theory The hunter vs. farmer theory is a hypothesis proposed by author Thom Hartmann about the origins of ADHD. The theory proposes that hyperactivity may be an adaptive behavior in pre-modern humans[50] and that those with ADHD retain some of the older "hunter" characteristics associated with early pre-agricultural human society. According to this theory, individuals with ADHD may be more adept at searching and seeking and less adept at staying put and managing complex tasks over time.[51] Further evidence showing hyperactivity may be evolutionarily beneficial was put forth in 2006 in a study which found it may carry specific benefits for certain forms of ancient society. In these societies, those with ADHD are hypothesized to have been more proficient in tasks involving risk or competition (i.e. hunting, mating rituals, etc.).[52].
This is just a snippet of the reading i intend to do. As for questions: Gender, social background, age of diagnosis, comments on education, medication, experience in the work place, siblings, equality, discrimination, any links with dyslexia or any other learning difficulty. I will obviously need to structure questions ethically and ensure they don't cause offence. I'm not looking to challenge any of the theories to the point of a definite conclusion. ......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 21:54:34 GMT
plumbing is sooo much easier!!
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Post by kakema on Dec 8, 2010 21:58:48 GMT
Sounds interesting. You might find it helpful to narrow your scope a little - maybe focus on secondary or HE? Many of us have found that the challenges can change as we move from structured to unstructured educational environments.
I'm also puzzling how you're going to move from your review of 'causal' theories (hunter/farmer) etc into an analysis of challenges for those experiencing the disorder in an education environment? I mean, the 'why' of why we are like this is academically interesting, but we're more interested in understanding first where we're going to be most challenged (not always predictable when you're in the thick of it) and what strategies can be shown to be genuinely effective. There's a current thread going on elsewhere that is talking about various types of computer package that may or may not help students, for example. Sadly, can't remember what it's called....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 9:24:14 GMT
Good morning! thanks for your advice; I will concentrate on the HE/FE sector after all i work at an FE college... I'll scan the net for advice on challenges, computer packages etc to form the foundation of an analysis for those experiencing disorder in an education environment and how it effects both tutor and learner. Cheers much appreciated
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 10:42:03 GMT
Hi all, thanks for your feedback so far, I have posted a poll with some questions that i feel will help me with some of the qualititive / quantitive data needed for my research project. Please bear with me I'm a complete rookie with this(as you've no doubt already gathered!) If any of the questions offend i can assure you its not my intention and i give you permission to slap me around the face with a soggy sponge. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 12:25:01 GMT
Just realised my mistake with the poll..... only one answer available....DOH!! I am computer illiterate! I have amended it and put it on the general board if anyone wants to take a look....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 18:17:56 GMT
Medication ie slow release Ritalin has changed my life for the better unfortunately my brother used alcohol to self medicate and died in 1989 aged 35yrs.
My son has ADHD and ASD and I swear on my life that he will get all the help he needs including the Medication which he needs to attend mainstream school and have a social life.
Anymore Questions ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 18:22:45 GMT
You say these kids are ok as long as you keep them busy but what happens to them when they don't have you to babysit them ? How are they supposed to cope then ?
What about how they cope at home with basic tasks or their paperwork or their finances or relationships ?
Me thinks you have opened a can of worms ! You could learn a lot if you keep an open mind and do a LOT of Research ! Try watching ADD AND LOVING IT ! totallyadd.com
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