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Post by tati on May 14, 2015 18:25:11 GMT
Here I am again Well, I was recently diagnosed with inattentive ADD, currently taking Wellbutrin 300. I was followed by a private structure, but it was too expensive for me, so I have searched for someone else that has some experience with add in adults. There is one psychiatrist in my city that follows adults, in a public structure (I am in Italy and here adults with add are not given much consideration). So he visited me and partially confirmed the diagnosis of inattentive add (even though he was a bit puzzled by the fact that I was quite good at school, as a child...) , but he told that my biggest problems is cyclothymia. I've read something about it and I'm not very convinced... it fits only in a few aspects. But I'm not the psychiatrist. He took off Wellbutrin and lowered sertraline. So as soon as I retrieve all the medications, I will start taking: - Lamictal 25 mg - Strattera 40 mg - Sertraline 25 mg all in the morning. It's being difficult to find Strattera.... tomorrow I will try in another (bigger) city. Finger crossed. I'm so tired of changing doctors and meds and treatments... and never functioning as I should.
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Post by tati on May 17, 2015 20:03:30 GMT
Still looking for Strattera.... looks like I will have to procrastinate the new cure. No pharmacist seems to have it. Not even inside the hospital. So I am still with wellbutrin and sertraline, and making a mess with the dosage. I feel gloomy.
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Post by contrarymary on May 17, 2015 22:07:04 GMT
hope you find it soon
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Post by astraka on May 18, 2015 7:10:43 GMT
Can they order the strattera for you? They had to order it for me here in England.
have you read the strattera thread?
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Post by tati on May 18, 2015 17:39:59 GMT
It looks like the local health service, for each city, supplies Strattera to the Pharmacies, and the local service in my city don't have it.* So I've been in a nearby city today, it is another municipality/section of the health service, and managed to order it. So tomorrow, hopefully, I will go back there and get it. I hope it won't be this way every time! I didn't read the strattera thread. I will do * (in Italy)
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Post by tati on May 20, 2015 10:10:57 GMT
Started strattera 40 today, togheter with the other med (lamictal 25), and reducing sertraline to 25. Nausea is here, but i'm not sure if it's the med's fault, becouse I often get it when I'm nervous or scared (and I am, now... my future is at stake here..).
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Post by tati on May 23, 2015 11:25:57 GMT
Fourth day, on 40. I'm quite ok, I have dry mouth, a slight nausea some time after taking the pill, I've had a bit of sleepiness the first two days. I still have appetite and I sleep quite well at night. On the other side, I don't feel big improvements, except for the mood that is quite stable and good (this could be the hope ). But I guess it is too early to see them.
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Post by Black Panther on May 25, 2015 22:32:12 GMT
The side effects of these drugs are the effects of the drugs the pharmaceutical companies don't like, so the list them as side effects to cover themselves.
Were you fully informed by the Dr who prescribed you the medication before you started medicating?
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Post by Black Panther on May 25, 2015 22:38:57 GMT
Fourth day, on 40. I'm quite ok, I have dry mouth, a slight nausea some time after taking the pill, I've had a bit of sleepiness the first two days. I still have appetite and I sleep quite well at night. On the other side, I don't feel big improvements, except for the mood that is quite stable and good (this could be the hope ). But I guess it is too early to see them. The side effects of these drugs are the effects of the drugs the pharmaceutical companies don't like, so the list them as side effects to cover themselves. Were you fully informed by the Dr who prescribed you the medication before you started medicating? Would also recommend looking into vitamin therapy... Vitamin B1, B6, B12 and E, all have a very positive impact on the seratonin level of the brain. Actually a main cause of mental illness is silent inflamantion, when you bring down the inflamation with vitamins, the positive chemicals in the brian naturally increase and you begin to feel better. Reason Psychiatrists or pharmaceutical companies won't tell you this is because of the huge profits they benefit from continuing the lie about their drugs.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 8:23:59 GMT
Would also recommend looking into vitamin therapy... Vitamin B1, B6, B12 and E, all have a very positive impact on the seratonin level of the brain. Actually a main cause of mental illness is silent inflamantion, when you bring down the inflamation with vitamins, the positive chemicals in the brian naturally increase and you begin to feel better. Reason Psychiatrists or pharmaceutical companies won't tell you this is because of the huge profits they benefit from continuing the lie about their drugs. Pretty much everything you wrote in that paragraph is not well known - would you help us out with explanations, links and sources please? Could I also ask that you sign up to the forum? Guests coming along posting about novel ideas sometimes look a bit suspicious, being a member (especially with a track record) gives a degree of credibility. As an aside - inflammation, as an issue affecting all parts of the body, is gaining traction in the medical world.Gluten intolerance is one of the more well known inflammatory conditions (apparently - I'm not up to speed on it). We could do with knowing more.
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Post by tati on May 26, 2015 14:50:16 GMT
To reply to Black Panther: yes, I was informed. With my previous Psychiatrist I also avoided to take a prescribed medication (I don't remember the name at the moment), as it was described as "impossible to quit" due to withdrawal symptoms. Unfortunately, taking vitamins didn't help me in the past, I wasn't even taking them every day due to the problems they were supposed to cure. I just continued forgetting or saying "I'll do it in a moment" - and then forgetting.
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Post by tati on May 26, 2015 17:10:04 GMT
A full week of Strattera & friends, more or less. The side effect have gone away. The good effect are not here, anyway. Nothing, nothing nothing. Nothing in the past days, when the mood was quite ok, nothing today that the mood has gone down. It will work with time, I really need to believe this. I'm tired. This has to work. It has to work, this time. It has to make some kind of difference. I hate this, I really hate the fact that after all, this could be useless again, like the previous meds. And that the diagnosis could be wrong, and that I will never come out of this hell. I feel like I'm just running in a maze, for as long as I can remember, and I wonder if there is an exit, I want this to be the exit. I have no energy any more. This has to be the exit.
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Post by tati on May 26, 2015 20:47:42 GMT
This has been an awful day. Cry/anger/cry/anger/cry/anger... all my past mistakes and failures passing inside my head... and the bad luck also, that part of bad luck that I didn't actively pursue. Mine and also other people's. My mind is swimming in negativity today. I see that the fate has no mercy, no morality... no regard for the efforts that one makes. In the end, you still find yourself hanging by a thread. Today has been negativity, feeling helpless and angry. With this thing of Strattera and ADHD I feel that I depend on fortuity, again. No effort can make this drug work, and stop this sh*t of a life. It's only the fortune, the fate. I would like to be in a desert and scream with all my lungs, with no one there to judge or give "good advice".
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Post by contrarymary on May 27, 2015 1:36:46 GMT
((()))
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Post by tati on May 27, 2015 8:17:35 GMT
Second day of crying, and the sleep is not so good either, but I think I understand what's wrong now. Tomorrow I will talk to the psychiatrist about this. I don't think it has to do with Strattera, but more with lowering the antidepressant, sertraline. I experienced this thing every time I tried to lower or quit it. I will ask the doctor if it's possible to go back to 50 with sertraline. I think that when things will be a bit better it will be possible for me to cut down the antidepressant (I mean social interaction, ability to work and sustain myself and so on...) but I need it as long as I am stuck in this situation. Waiting for Strattera to start working.
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Post by tati on May 27, 2015 8:53:47 GMT
Let's add a bit of positivity here. It's true that even with all the effort, the fate could still make you some bad surprises, but it' also true that without effort, the fate will certainly make you some bad surprises.
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Post by manson88 on May 27, 2015 13:31:09 GMT
I'm on the other side of things with the Strattera. I convinced that it has stopped working. I have lost the endless energy near enough. Have been making mistakes at work. There has been health issues with family a child was in hospital. I had a minor car accident. Just near enough normal stuff but for people like us these are big issues. I also have been through a work investigation for being rude to a customer 10 days after the Strattera started. Then the weekend past I took a infection in my gum. Then phoned psychiatrist sectary to arrange a appointment cause convinced that the Strattera is not working. Was told to get gp to refer me! Phoned my gp to express my recent m/health issues that the Strattera wasn't working & i got a response back that wasn't appropriate to the way I was feeling. Wasn't happy with the fact that he had to confirm my whish for an appointment. Just let's put May behind us, June is a fresh beginning hopefully I get my strattera sorted. tati I feel the way you do useless, inadequate & swimming in my own negatively . To me the Strattera seems hit & miss but my first 10 weeks on it was brilliant. But was warned that it could stop working at my last psychiatrist appointment.
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Post by tati on May 27, 2015 15:33:25 GMT
Are you sure it's Strattera that stopped working? From what I read, you've had a series of problems in a very limited time. Especially the child in hospital, that would be very stressing for everyone! And the problems at work too, work is what gives people subsistence. Don't underestimate this, I think this is quite heavy stuff, and it's perfectly normal to be influenced by this. Maybe this is depression that comes from external causes and is counteracting the effects of Strattera... I mean, Strattera can give energy but I don't think that it can make a person loose emotions, good or bad emotions. So maybe really, it's a question of time and dosage fixes, to get past the traumas and have the medicines work in full strength again.
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Post by manson88 on May 27, 2015 19:11:34 GMT
Wow thanks tati I felt like this not long after the psychiatrist appointment(April) . He did me favours but no favours. If he hadn't said that it may stop working I wouldn'tv questioned it through the difficult month of may. Maybe the mistakes in may were due to external issues. Friday 22nd may But what didn't helping was the gp comments when I phoned him to express my concerns of recent issues. The one person who I need on my side just felt as if he turned on me. This is the Dr that reassures me every time before I get my hand shook don't be afraid to give me a call on the way out the door I'm here you know.. Social anxiety - lost the trust. It was that bad that I was going to phone one of the help lines to vent cause I was annoyed I just don't do help lines . (i don't like help lines cause I don't know who I'm talking to or who else is in the room listening. It's the same as Internet banking just impersonal) On top of this I had my toothache/gum issue. I had to go to the dentist & anxiety levels where through the roof. I procrastinated that much about the dentist it took me 10 years to pluck the courage to go to it. Then Sunday morning woke up noticed that I started to get depressed. Was up in the middle of the night looking painkillers. Had my breakfast but an hour later I was in the cupboard looking more carbohydrates endless hunger =depression.
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Post by tati on May 27, 2015 21:02:14 GMT
My psychiatrist too is irritating. I don't think he is "by my side", I feel uncomfortable when I talk to him, but I don't mind. I consider him to be there to prescribe me the meds, check how they work and adjust them if needed. I just seek support elsewhere. And, a lot, in myself and in my legendary stubborness. Even with all my flaws and difficulties. As for my gp - (gp is the general doctor, right?) - well he is quite ok but he's not supporting me neither. But that's because he has no idea of what ADHD is, and I appreciate the fact that he's not trying to hide this. I think many doctors are just uninformed or have no experience with ADD, but rather than admitting it, they dismiss the problem or become... oppositional? I can relate... I ate a pack of chocolate rolls all at once yesterday....
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Post by iglome on Jun 3, 2015 16:44:25 GMT
Stay Away from Psychiatry guys. And just to let you know ADHD is a fictitious disease. What you are going through is very real, but to call that ADHD so a psychiatrist can profit from it, that is sick. Be careful. There is not a single labortaory test to prove the existence of ADHD. get the facts right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 9:47:02 GMT
Gravity.
We know that it works.
We can predict its effect with incredible accuracy.
But we don't know why. It might be the 'weak force', that has been posited, but that doesn't help.
Gravity is very real but we don't know why it's real.
Mathematicians and physicists must, by your logic, be charlatans taking wages under false pretences because we only have unproven hypotheses about how gravity works.
So - a complete stranger comes onto the forum without introduction, tells us they're right about everything and everyone else is wrong, gives no good reason to believe them, is factually incorrect (lab tests) and is vague on spelling/grammar.
You could be a genius and your message might be the most important thing we read, ever. But you come across as a nutty conspiracy theorist type so, effectively, you inadvertently prop up what you purport to disdain by having <0 credibility.
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Post by tessaract on Jun 4, 2015 10:09:31 GMT
Stay Away from Psychiatry guys. And just to let you know ADHD is a fictitious disease. What you are going through is very real, but to call that ADHD so a psychiatrist can profit from it, that is sick. Be careful. There is not a single labortaory test to prove the existence of ADHD. get the facts right. "and just to let you know........." Thanks for the heads up! Think I'll just go away now and declare that nothing is wrong with me. I made it all up and I'm just a pawn caught in a web of so-called psychiatrists. Yip! While I agree the pharmaceutical industry is certainly lacking in morality. I KNOW MY OWN BRAIN!!! Think we have a troll on our hands folks. Sorry folks I cant abide trolls and the blood is boiling now, guess that they managed to achieve their goal. grrrrrrrrr
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 12:25:18 GMT
I don't believe it's a troll - the content might be inflammatory but it doesn't appear to be deliberately so.
Trolls always come back with more spoons to stir the pot.
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Post by tati on Jun 4, 2015 20:40:07 GMT
Um, I think he (she?) is just misinformed, knows few or nothing about this kind of problem and pretends to judge the way it is addressed and treated... I hate this kind of attitude. Or if in case he has some kind of experience of ADHD, good for him if some alternative stuff worked for him or for someone he knows. Maybe he has a very mild form that still allows him to live a decent life, decent relationships and earn enough to eat. Or he has a loving and caring social environment that also maintains him, and he's comfortable with being dependant on it. Whatever his experience is, sure as hell that for some reason he doesn't understand what we are talking about here. Enlighten us, Iglome. Why are you so sure that we don't need psychiatrists? I'm sure that I needed it a lot, instead.
First of all, ADHD is almost guarantee to give you depression, as a result of a series of failures in all the important aspects of life. Study, work, relationships an so on. I hated meds, but if I didn't finally go to the psychiatrist for my strong depression crisis, I think I would be dead now. This is when the meds saved my life. Everything in my life was a failure, the pain was unbearable, and the only thing that I wanted was to make the pain cease. I only saw two options: death... or try to get medicated. And I had tried a lot of other things before, to make my life simply make sense. I was burned out when I finally opted for the psychiatrist. Afters years and years of trying new strategies, trying to get a decent work, a degree, trying natural therapies, forcing myself to go out, trying to make friends, trying self-analisys, reading tons of books, leaving my parents' home... hope > effort > failure... repeat.... I was out of ideas, except for those two. Trying with meds or just give up. You understand Iglome? Do you think that we all go ask medication without first trying everything that we can, to get a decent life? All I wanted was to feel equal to the others, to love and feel loved, to feel part of something, to feel able to sustain myself and maybe get a family of my own, and I tried everything I knew before turning to meds. To someone as wrecked as I was, your suggestion is like suggesting suicide. Kudos.
It was antidepressants that brought me out of the mud, allowing me to start fixing things in my life, start getting some healthy relationships, work in a less scattered way, get other forms of complementary therapy, and finally, becoming aware that there is still something "wrong", something that efforts and antidepressants are not able to fix. Now the psychiatrist is trying to remove the antidepressant, who have made their job, and fix the remainder with Strattera.
Maybe the medications alone are not enough to get durable improvements, but unless you have a very, very mild form of ADHD and some external support, you need the meds to start with, because they are those who bring you out of darkness and give you the ability to build the rest, enforce your relationships, work and survive on your own feet. I hope that one day I will get enough practise and trainings and strategies and tricks, to be able to quit also Strattera. But I will keep on taking it for the rest of my life if it's needed. And sure as hell that I need it for now, and hope with all my heart that it will work.
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Post by tati on Jun 4, 2015 20:50:05 GMT
oh, found. Just googled "iglome" twitter.com/iglomeOh, okay. Now I see. He is one of those enlightened minds who underline flaws and scandals about something, but rigorously without giving alternatives. (Let alone recognising positive aspects in it...) He has a link to a website about abuse in psychiatry that could be a very good thing if it focused on giving abused people some support and free legal assistance, without throwing shit on an entire category, pretending that nothing in psychiatry works and insisting in ADHD being a fake thing. Well, it's like saying that because some gynaecologists abused their patients, all the gynaecology is wrong. Makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, there's no way to understand who the person is. (And I don't want to read all his 400 stupid tweets to find out). Anyway, if you get to the first tweets in 2008, you see that he speaks spanish and that he doesn't mention psychiatry at all. There's generic spam like "loose weight" and "this could be the right job for you", some football stuff, a mix of petitions (many of them regarding conspiracy-related stuff)... the obsession with psychiatry starts in 2012. I'm not surprised.
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Post by tati on Jun 4, 2015 23:06:56 GMT
Going back on topic... As I said, the 28 of may I went to the psychiatrist too... but the appointment was today, I just ad forgotten to delete it from the agenda So I went there for nothing. However I talked by phone with a nice psychiatrist that is part of the team of the Super-Doctor, and she told me to take two pills of lamictal instead of one. (Lamictal is to stabilize the mood). I didn't, because I felt already better. I've been visited today, when I had the real appointment, and the Super-Doctor confirmed the double Lamictal. By now I still take Strattera 40, Sertraline 25 and two pills of Lamictal 25, one in the morning and one in the evening. (I don't want to take the second pill of Lamictal But I think I will. Maybe.) They also told me that in a while we will eliminate the antidepressant and increase Strattera. The crying days are over. I've been emotional but nothing unbearable, just some sporadic tears if things don't go well (for example, this morning I had forgotten the prescription and the money, I felt ashamed about it and cried. They visited me the same. (And no, Iglome, they didn't abuse me into feeling ashamed. They were very respectful and visited me as if nothing happened).
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Post by tati on Jun 11, 2015 22:00:22 GMT
ok, now it should be almost three weeks on 40. No effects from Strattera, at the moment.
But the lowering of Sertraline is biting hard I think... I'm on an emotional rollercoaster. Hypersensitive, I cry for stupid reasons. I should have followed the psychiatrist advice about doubling Lamictal. Now I've started taking two pills, and I really hope they will work as soon as possible... I really hate feeling so unstable.
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Post by tati on Jun 15, 2015 20:41:48 GMT
Ok, emotions have calmed down a bit. I still get down, but not like before. Taking the amount of mood stabilizer that the psychiatrist has recommended (instead of doing my own way) has helped with this. Anyway, at the moment my low mood is reactive, it comes from the interaction with a person who is around me (and who is physically impossible to avoid). So there is no "magic way" to fix my mood... it's a fresh wound, it's natural that it hurts, and only time will fix it.
I think I'm also slightly more active... even if low mood probably affects this negatively. I think I will talk about this with the doctor.
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Post by tati on Jun 21, 2015 19:43:42 GMT
The amount of Strattera was increased to 80 and I took this dosage for 2 days. There were no bad side effects in my opinion, but the doctor has lowered it to 58 because I was sleeping in a "fragmented" way. I don't think this was caused by Strattera, but I'm not the doctor and this time I will not do it my own way Things are slowly improving. That's okay. I can do it. I've also managed to get the "medication distribution service" of my hospital to order and supply Strattera... no more need to "hunt for it" The rest of the therapy ha been left unchanged.
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