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Post by newdawnfades on Nov 27, 2015 14:07:10 GMT
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Post by manson88 on Nov 27, 2015 16:55:32 GMT
Yea!!
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Post by hermanli on Nov 27, 2015 17:02:11 GMT
What are the three subtypes? Call me stupid but I only new there was two!
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Post by newdawnfades on Nov 27, 2015 17:03:17 GMT
Yes mate. But feeling strange at the moment.
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Post by newdawnfades on Nov 27, 2015 17:05:00 GMT
What are the three subtypes? Call me stupid but I only new there was two! The below is from Google. There are three subtypes of ADHD. Depending on his symptoms, a child may be diagnosed with: Predominantly Hyperactive/Impulsive subtype: mainly hyperactive or impulsive symptoms, few or no inattentive symptoms.
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Post by newdawnfades on Nov 27, 2015 17:06:00 GMT
I Suppose I will have to wait for my report to gain a better insight.
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Post by aldedah on Nov 27, 2015 19:00:16 GMT
Hang on - isn't there inattentive, hyperactive, and combined? So you can't have all three, the last one is combined of the first two. Perhaps you weren't paying attention? Very typical response for adults - oh why didn't I find this out earlier in my life? You can't go and change the past so try not to let that worry you. What you can do is change the future though. Read up on it, there are some good books out there. Medication won't make you "normal", whatever that is. There are some traits that are positive and you won't want to get rid of them (or perhaps maybe just get them under control). Although it does help understand yourself, so as such it can help you understand why you might behave or react a particular way to something when someone else doesn't. Try not to define yourself by it either, and use it as an excuse for bad behaviour. ADHD isn't a bad diagnosis, especially if you've been suffering for ages. You will find some medications work well, others not so well, so hang in there. I always find the most interesting people in life suffer from something
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Post by newdawnfades on Nov 29, 2015 21:06:11 GMT
Hang on - isn't there inattentive, hyperactive, and combined? So you can't have all three, the last one is combined of the first two. Perhaps you weren't paying attention? Very typical response for adults - oh why didn't I find this out earlier in my life? You can't go and change the past so try not to let that worry you. What you can do is change the future though. Read up on it, there are some good books out there. Medication won't make you "normal", whatever that is. There are some traits that are positive and you won't want to get rid of them (or perhaps maybe just get them under control). Although it does help understand yourself, so as such it can help you understand why you might behave or react a particular way to something when someone else doesn't. Try not to define yourself by it either, and use it as an excuse for bad behaviour. ADHD isn't a bad diagnosis, especially if you've been suffering for ages. You will find some medications work well, others not so well, so hang in there. I always find the most interesting people in life suffer from something Some great advice there. Thanks.
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Post by newdawnfades on Nov 29, 2015 21:07:58 GMT
I am flitting between the, oh shit I have ADHD feeling and f**k,the medication sounds scary.
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Post by vagueandrandom on Nov 30, 2015 0:26:40 GMT
That's totally normal imo. along with *relief* that you've finally found out for certain what's 'wrong' Meds are up to you. I'm giving it a go on concerta, but not convinced - no 'wow' moment and some unwanted effects. Personally, I'd like to get some therapy (not been offered any atm, but done loads for other MH issues) but must be with someone who understands ADHD, or will possibly be quite useless, or even harmful. Keep us up to date
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 9:32:02 GMT
What are the three subtypes? Call me stupid but I only new there was two! The combined type is actually a sub-type
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Post by newdawnfades on Nov 30, 2015 11:06:12 GMT
If I remember rightly, the two meds that were mentioned were Methylphenidate and Atomoxetine. I have to say the thought of stimulants frightens the life out of me as I feel it is like throwing petrol on a lit fire and will cause me MASSIVE levels of anxiety.
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Post by hermanli on Nov 30, 2015 14:11:53 GMT
If I remember rightly, the two meds that were mentioned were Methylphenidate and Atomoxetine. I have to say the thought of stimulants frightens the life out of me as I feel it is like throwing petrol on a lit fire and will cause me MASSIVE levels of anxiety. I used to think exactly that way, and it may be part of the reason why I am still not on them. But I am coming to terms with the idea slowly. I have always been very conscious about adding anything/tampering with function of body and brain with drugs or whatever. Wont even take painkillers, and in terms of stimulants I wont even drink red bull, or even something full of sugar. I get really worked up, part of it might be an OCD thing. But can become sick with anxiety over the idea of meds. I think journeyman had this problem too! The thing is however, if you read all the literature, user experience etc the stimulant angle doesnt really apply for us. ADHD means we actually have something different in our brains, the stims can dramatically help that neurophysiological impairment and there is research to say it actually helps the brain development of kids who take it. Remember that the meds are predominanetly prescribed in hyperactive disruptive children. If it can calm them down and make them focus, then surely it can do the same for us adults?
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Post by newdawnfades on Nov 30, 2015 14:39:59 GMT
If I remember rightly, the two meds that were mentioned were Methylphenidate and Atomoxetine. I have to say the thought of stimulants frightens the life out of me as I feel it is like throwing petrol on a lit fire and will cause me MASSIVE levels of anxiety. I used to think exactly that way, and it may be part of the reason why I am still not on them. But I am coming to terms with the idea slowly. I have always been very conscious about adding anything/tampering with function of body and brain with drugs or whatever. Wont even take painkillers, and in terms of stimulants I wont even drink red bull, or even something full of sugar. I get really worked up, part of it might be an OCD thing. But can become sick with anxiety over the idea of meds. I think journeyman had this problem too! The thing is however, if you read all the literature, user experience etc the stimulant angle doesnt really apply for us. ADHD means we actually have something different in our brains, the stims can dramatically help that neurophysiological impairment and there is research to say it actually helps the brain development of kids who take it. Remember that the meds are predominanetly prescribed in hyperactive disruptive children. If it can calm them down and make them focus, then surely it can do the same for us adults? All good points there. I am also cautious due to meds for depression I have been given in the past. I have to go to my doc's in about two weeks to discuss, once the report is back and then go from there.
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Post by hermanli on Nov 30, 2015 15:48:06 GMT
The efficacy rate, and even the logic behind depression medication is poor. Where as with stimulants for ADHD, it is comparatively excellent.
remission rates for depression are roughly 31 percent after 14 weeks and 65 percent at six months with medication, but 30% with placebo!
In an analysis of 31 withdrawal studies among more than 4,000 patients, it was found that 41% of patients on placebo relapsed, but so did 18% of those who stayed on medication.
This shows that 59% of people would recover from their depression without medication, about a fifth of those on medication still relapse. Meaning that the actual effects of the medication are pretty damn slim.
Anti depressants take 4-6weeks for any benefit "to be felt" yet drugs like SSRI's increase serotonin levels as much as they are able, within hours. Tests have been done in healthy people, where their serotonin has been removed - and it does not induce any depression.
I say all of this when taking an anti depressant myself, but its an unconventional one at least. Because it works on Dopamine and Norepinepherine, which under the weak premise that these drugs can relieve psychological dysfunction at all - at least make sense.
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Post by vagueandrandom on Nov 30, 2015 17:36:34 GMT
Hi newdawnfades I've suffered from depression on and off for the whole of my adult life and the concerta (methylphenidate - mph) hasn't brought it on. In fact, although I still have really bad days and mood swings, I think that the main effect has been to even my moods out a bit. I also feel a bit physically calmer, but I've always self-medicated with strong coffee and it's still the first thing I want to calm me down when I'm upset. Still not experienced any increase in focus and I get quite a few headaches. . If you don't like it, you can just stop. It doesn't have the withdrawal of something like venlafaxine (evil) as I said, I'm not sure if it's something I'll continue with in the long run, but I'm giving it a chance. Read up about it.
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Post by aldedah on Dec 1, 2015 23:23:55 GMT
Despite most ADHD drugs being stimulants and are similar to a lot of illegal drugs I've found them to be more acceptable than anti-depressants. Because they normally start pretty quickly (i.e you can notice a change within an hour) it's much better than anti-depressants which take weeks which is not what you want when you're depressed.
Sometimes stimulants can have the opposite affect for people with ADHD. Can actually make you less anxious and sleepy. Although not consistently. That's where it's good to have other things to help manage, such as meditation or exercise.
While some stimulants can be addictive, stopping them is nothing compared to stopping anti-depressants. Some of them can be hell to both start & stop taking so you become "addicted" in the sense you're too scared to go through the coming off stage.
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