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Post by funnyrecipe on May 12, 2021 13:13:33 GMT
Hi I'm new
Wondered if anybody else continually gets fobbed off of pursuing an ADD/ADHD diagnosis by primary care, told that their inattention etc. symptoms can be explained by anxiety
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has then gone ahead and taken the steps they recommend to getting NHS CBT for anxiety/depression (I have done this twice already, been given a plan of action for anxiety, and found myself straying from it very quickly both times)
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followed the plan given by the counsellor and ended up with a positive outcome, without a diagnosis or meds?
I've been on the phone with my community psychiatric nurse who once again told me I'm barking up the wrong tree, so I'm just hitting wall after wall and haven't got the motivation or wellbeing to be able to scour my life history for concrete examples of ADHD symptoms, so I feel lost.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 23:13:29 GMT
Even if it is anxiety, can you cure anxiety with a fireside chat?
Training therapists looks good on the job creation stats. Gotta find them something to do when they're all trained up, I suppose?
Some believe CBT without an appropriate chemical intervention is akin to arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Have you tried asking for a referral to a specialist? Have you considered going private?
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Post by funnyrecipe on May 13, 2021 21:37:37 GMT
This sounds like axe grinding, boost. So you don't think CBT even in combination with meds or other therapies works for any form of ADHD at all? That's rather an extreme response. I will continue to wait for people who might be able to answer yes to my question but thanks for weighing in, all responses are welcome.
By the way, I'm aware of specialist referrals and private ADHD diagnosis. It's very difficult for me to get those, and I'm trying to find out if anybody else who found it next to impossible to get those found another way.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 20:21:19 GMT
Your situation reminded me what it's like trying to get help in Wales. Futile. Perhaps I let my imagination run away with me?
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Post by chickster on May 17, 2021 16:59:57 GMT
Ive had several lots of therapy. As none of them had more than a slight understanding of ADHD it was a waste of time & money. Everyone thinks therapty is this amazing thing but when youre talking about things you cant actually change its just not. Ive tried psychodynamic (a disaster), a mixed one where he gave me opnions (a bit better but still no better than just chatting to someone) & a few weeks of DBT (like CBT) as I thought I was madder than I am. Lots of charts & stating the obvious on that one.
A long time ago I had a few NHS CBT sessions with a lady who indicated to me she thought I might have ADHD. But she only did group sessions & I dont have her name. Probably the only one that could have been helpful but not an ADHD specialist at all.
If your life is shit & your emotions are all over the place courtesy of ADHD therapy wont help. Because its not like its caused by a conscious train of thought - its more like a hijack. By the time youre thinking of how to deal with it, its too late. Meds at least curb the worst of the mistakes which helps.
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Post by Easily_distrac on Jun 15, 2021 20:02:50 GMT
I've benefited from CBT, had quiet a lot on the NHS as well as private. From what I've read, it would have been even better had I been diagnosed with ADD before starting. Apparently that would have directed things differently. I've also learnt a lot of useful tips from articles and books, which is DIY CBT in a way. It's more than a fireside conversation. I hope that helps.
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Post by quixotic on Jul 27, 2021 0:26:52 GMT
I think CBT can help somewhat if you can keep up with it. I'd be asked to fill things in like timetables of how I was feeling and diaries of what I was thinking that I could never seem to do. I've had different lots of CBT. I'd always miss or be late for appointments which on one series of sessions led to my CBT getting cancelled. The meagre amount of sessions just scratched the surface for me. I wasn't even aware I might have ADHD at the time, I was getting it for depression and I was accused of not complying with the treatment by missing and being late which just made everything worse.
I've had years and years of counselling overall, and I think it helps but how much? It's hard to say. I think if you are isolated and struggle with certain things like friendships or relationships or family it can be really helpful, other times it feels like it barely helps. Now I am coming from the point of thinking I have undiagnosed ADHD I realise that a lot of my issues were that I was struggling doing organisation and time management and coping with university and work and this made me very depressed as I constantly screwed things up and felt like a failure and worthless. However I wonder if I'd been aware I had ADHD maybe I could have pushed for more and better support.
If you get some CBT sessions be aware if being on time or turning up to things is something you struggle with, you will have to redouble your efforts to be on time and to do any "worksheets" they give you. I think the thing that helped the most for me was learning that thoughts are not true - even if I think something like "I'm a lazy, horrible person" this doesn't mean it's true. Now I know about ADHD I reckon my depression and anxiety is mainly as a result of constant failure to cope with life and stuff due to the ADHD. But not got an ADHD diagnosis yet as the first time I was seen by a psych it was a disaster! Tempted to go private as I can't really face the NHS again. My depression was really severe after a while and I was suicidal and couldn't work, then NHS finally did something and I got to go to Recovery College, got diagnosed with EUPD/EIPD/BPD STEPPS therapy which is like DBT light and which helped with the emotional control somewhat. I think that in the long term I was misdiagnosed (impulsivity and extremes of emotions are criteria for the EUPD but so is ADHD) but this mistaken diagnosis means I will not likely be taken seriously for ADHD as if you have a long term mental health diagnosis they will be very unlikely to diagnose ADHD. Overall, CBT can't hurt, but be prepared to really work at it. If you have a mental health diagnosis and no ADHD diagnosis be prepared it may actually prevent an ADHD diagnosis (despite all the evidence that ADHD is highly co-morbid with depression/anxiety. Why am I up at 1.30 am typing this when I have work tomorrow? Ah, the joys of ADHD! Good luck with all of it!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 16:54:39 GMT
You diagnosed yet quix? Love the name btw. Just had to re-google what it meant and can relate 100%
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Post by alexred on Aug 2, 2021 11:45:48 GMT
I got referred for CBT by going through the NHS website / speaking to someone on the phone. Hearing back in about two months but I am hoping there is benefit to it.
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