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Post by snickerz on Jun 14, 2011 6:14:20 GMT
I have adhd and my sister has just been diagnosed with cyclothymia (bi-polar) so we are officially nuts that is all
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Post by boo on Jun 14, 2011 6:40:59 GMT
heya snix, is your sis ok? is it just the 2 of you?
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Post by snickerz on Jun 14, 2011 6:43:20 GMT
nah got 2 brothers one has been a herion addict for the past 12 years and is in prison the other one is clearly adhd but wont admit it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2011 8:46:29 GMT
Well you're not alone, I live in a mad house most of the time, already this morning my ADD child has attempted to use the washing line as a Zip-wire..(inventive) climbed the tallest tree in the garden, tormented the cat, fish and her siblings, trashed her room...Snuck into the front garden, trying to do a runner which is why i cant ever get anything done !!! ...
Now about to get them to the beach!! Dont you love inset days?!!!
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Post by phil on Jun 14, 2011 9:21:08 GMT
Snickers you been looking at US sites in this country cyclothymia is not bipolar disorder it means that mood go's in cycles!
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Post by snickerz on Jun 15, 2011 5:26:24 GMT
but ive been told its a form of bi polar and that is what my sister was told
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Post by phil on Jun 15, 2011 11:01:19 GMT
In the usa they call it type 3 in this country it just means mood follows cycles I have been diagnosed with cyclothymia my second diagnosis lol in the uk this means that mood go's in cycles and they can't diagnose bipolar one or two! This could be due to bipolar 1 or 2 symptoms not being present! Or If the person has done a class A drug within 2 years of diagnosis and this could be effects of it! Has you're sister been prescribed anything? I had to study bipolar to get a diagnosis shifted from me that was my first diagnosis! But in my defence that diagnosis was pinned on me to save their own arses so if I was to complain of my treatment or the treatment of others the bent doctors can just say I'm delusional and how can I argue with that lol ;D There is hyper and hypo moods! Where in the case of ADHD we have hyper moods in bipolar they have Hypo moods there's posts on here from a guy called nick or john! He ticked all the boxes for bipolar 2 but his diagnosis was Bipolar 1? All I can say is he must of told the shrink something to suggest he had mania? In my case I procrastinate in the morning and come normal folks bed time I'm hyper and find it hard to sleep! Folks with bipolar cycles last at last two weeks of being hyper and hypomanic but this can go for months then say they are up for 1 month they will be depressed/ suicidal for a month! With Cyclothymia you are not delusional or hypomanic! Hypomania is in both bipolar 1 and 2! Hypo graphia- an impulsive need to write books! Post a lot on forums ect; Hypo sexual- the need to have sex this can manifest in chronic masturbation! And in some cases this leads to big trouble in the respect of having more than one sexual partner! Folks with bipolar disorder will have all the symptoms As predominately hyper @ctive @dhd lol my @ buttons broke on my phone lol
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Post by phil on Jun 15, 2011 12:45:09 GMT
if you're sister is thinking she is someone she ain't she could have mania that is easier to spot the best thing you're sister can do is wait do nothing keep off any form of medication until she has a proper diagnosis! cyclothymia disorder i don't even consider a diagnosis it's just a conveniant way to say look i can give you an accurate diagnosis so you're cyclothymic until time goes passed where we can judge what you have lol you're sister got every chance of having ADHD as you have it and as it's genetic! but on the otherhand if you're sister has bipolar theres a high chance of you develping the condition or having it already! did you sisters doctor say that cyclothymia was a type of bipolar disorder? because cyclothymia is not bipolar in this country and you're sister probally has got ADHD at the moment if you can understand you're sister is in limbo, no mans land she is nither here nor there if you get me. the shrink saying you're sister is cyclothymic is better than saying look i don't know what the fuck is wrong with you? lol ;D get you're sister to join here all it means is her mood go's in cycles so does mine so will most of the peoples on this site we are all cyclothymic in that respect cyclothymia is just a word and should be treated as a word not a condition if you're sister got her D/x in the uk then all of the above applies and not to worry you're brother in prison he has a high chance of having ADHD too a good percentage of the prison population will have ADHD but they are the great ignored! all they are learning in prison is an easier way of life it would cost about £100 a day to incarsarate you're brother when he needs treatment so say you're brother was put away for 1 year surley getting him addiction treatment has got to be a cheaper option? the system is just flawed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 16:26:53 GMT
Sniks, wanted to say you are in fine company for mad family.
My family - grandfather who needed regular ECT - Dad, hopefully still on meds, but he is always weaning himself off them - Mum, two depressive episodes medicated, is SO glad to be menopausal because she can now do without meds - Eldest sister - recovered bulimic, on ADs when she remembers to take them - Second sister - long term on ADs after a bout of post-natal psychosis - Brother - long term on meds for depression - Me, long term on venlafaxine - 2 nephews with diagnosed Aspergers Syndrome.
Nuking futs here
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Post by snickerz on Jun 15, 2011 16:57:43 GMT
she said the pysch said it was one of three things cyclothymia, adhd and i cant remeber the last one she has been prescribed repokate or summat like that
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Post by phil on Jun 15, 2011 17:27:34 GMT
deprkote an anti convulsant?
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Post by phil on Jun 15, 2011 17:33:02 GMT
thats valporatic acid thats not going to cause harm like other pills hair loss is a side effect!
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Post by snickerz on Jun 16, 2011 4:46:52 GMT
ok havent spoke to her since the other day will speak to her at weekend. My heart goes out to the poor sod not onlyhas her marraige broken down, she sleptwalked to her car and drove it after a night out and got done for drink driving she has this to deal with as well now
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Post by twix on Jun 16, 2011 10:53:15 GMT
hugs for you and your sis
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Post by phil on Jun 16, 2011 11:55:07 GMT
one thing after another i told my mate not to drive his car without insurance he was between cars at the time i said i would get a days insurance on his car or rent one to pick up his new car but the rozzers pulled him he was breathalised and had been drinking heavy the night before! but lucky for him he passed but he will be looking at £250 and 6 points! you're sister will lose her liecence :S and my phone is knackered but i cut a deal and i'm getting a brand spanking new blackberry torch and for half of what i was paying for my curb ;D
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Post by snickerz on Jun 16, 2011 17:49:23 GMT
she has for lost it for two years
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Post by andy12345 on Jun 17, 2011 18:06:02 GMT
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Post by phil on Jun 18, 2011 15:42:25 GMT
Her liencence or the plot? Andy very intresting they are publising on this matter! What's the NHS or BMA saying on the matter? After all I doubt that they are dealing with snickers sister! What is cyclothymia? Is it a personality disorder? Is it a form of bipolar disorder that lacks a kindling effect? Or is it a label? I will print that off it could become usefull in the future! Snickers you're sister has a sleep disorder sleep walking that will have a dramactic effect on her cognetive function so it is possible lack of sleep is going to have an effect on her mood behaviour! I'm awaiting to be seen by a sleep clinic myself! I'm not saying that sleep walking is the problem but it could be a catalyst to an existing condition! My 1st diagnosis was bipolar my 2nd diagnosis was cyclothymia my 3rd diagnosis was a personality caused through drug abuse! I would love to find out what my forth will be Maybe I got PTSD as an infant as I suffered abuse off a load of teachers and thrown out of my bilingual class and chucked in the english class! Andy Bipolar runs through family's it can skip a generation! It has a kindling effect bipolar is Not a spectrum dissorder that you have made out in the passed! It is an affective disorder! If you have bipolar it is a sliding slope you do not get better it like epilepsy it can be controlled trust I have friends with bipolar and it is easy to recokonise my friends with bipolar disorders have family with either Bipolar disorder, schizophrinia, or a schizo affective disorder! Now if snickers sister is bipolar there will be a history of either of the above going on in the family history! ADHD is the same in respect to ASD, aspergers, ect going on within the family! What have the doctors have said is wrong with you Andy? Wrote a nice letter to NICE and got fobbed off now you think you have ASD have you any proof to back this up? Is it possible to have cyclothymia for 30 odd years? ;D this just opens more cans of worms with respect to snickers sister unless her sleep disorder is controlled then why lable lol this could be the effects of a sleep dissorder the sleep disorder could be an effect of ADHD/ASD doctors pluck a diagnosis out of the air! Now snickers sister has a cyclothimia D/X there is a huge chance she will not be medicated for her sleep walking as they use stimulents lol if she is already on stimulents for her sleep walking the cyclothymia could be side effects of her medication! I swear this place could do with a resident psychiatrist that can answer any concern
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Post by andy12345 on Jun 18, 2011 21:03:21 GMT
Phil, you seem to be confusing some terminology....... I don't really understand that o.O All I know is that when hypo is prefixing a word, it means smaller, less active.. When hyper prefixes a word, it means large, more active. Examples. 1) hypothyroid (underactive thyroid), hyperthyroid,(overactive) (euthyroid is considered "clinically acceptable" range) 2) Hyposexual (undersexed) hypersexual (oversexed) 3) Mania itself is meant to be bipolar 1, hypomania, bipolar 2, cyclothymia (hypohypo mania) the level of depression is always linked to the previous level of mania. That's why cyclothymia is possibly more tolerable, as its not triggering enough. Just having 3 levels is probably still too simplistic.....but easier to record. See how dysthymia (dysfunctional mind) interacts here. You could have dysthymia, cyclothymia and hyperthymia (http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/simplepage.cfm?ID=-986382297) One's mileage may vary and as our brains are organic, who knows what changes happen over time? ? No one really knows or can predict fully. That's me as well. Hate the daytime really. However, once all goes quiet that's when I can finally "concentrate" more on my fixation of the hour/day/week. See above. I don't think that's right unless you specifically have a source link to prevent any misunderstanding. Phil, I understand the confusion now. You seem to be using hypo instead of hyper.. hypographia is the opposite of hypergraphia. (lower vs higher activity) See above. ______________________________ In May 2009 my ADHD - maudsley - (SLAM) conclusion was that I did not hit enough markers for an ADHD diagnosis (as per symptoms of course) I was not even convinced I was ADHD, so I was objective about it as there is no point falling into something that is not fully correct. However, recommendations were made that I should get an ASD consultation, as I had easily made the cut off for that on the numerous self rate questionnaries, of which there were many (total of about 1000 self rate questions at the time plus 3 hours at the maudsley and more questions. The problem, looking back at my 5 page evaluation, was that I could not really remember many adhd symptoms (inattentive or otherwise. I'm certainly not hyperactive) from childhood. I've always maintained that the current status of the multitude of mental "differences" is that of a slowly disentangling ball of wool, with many threads. Some threads are mistaken for others, hence time will be taken, and much research money will be burned during the global quest for clarity of what label to give which symptoms. There's lots' of money in research, but once a topic is exhausted, funding will be far less, I should imagine. Russell barkley has stated common co-morbids of adhd, are dysthymia and ODD ( think it was ODD) However, Dysthymia, marked as usually a 30 year span between affect and diagnosis, can cause much damage over time. If I had to give myself labels I would have to say..... Some avoidant personality disorder Some Borderline personality disorder Attention deficit disorder - as I'm too easily distracted. I've tried to discern whether official adhd types are as easily distractible as me, via a poll, and I think it was the case. However, one's perception of a level of impairment does not always match anothers' perception. Definite dysthymia. My energy and enthusiasm is pretty bad, but consistent. I have to pep myself on rage comics these days....... Laughing does help considerably, when I remember it. Possible borderlining on hypogonadism, need to try testosterone for this one. I could score easily depression, but it's a strange type, which is why I feel that dysthymia causes my apathy. Then we have the dopamine connection to some of these and its effect on many aspects of mind. The worst thing is that an asd diagnosis will do nothing for me. Edit: Bipolar is, where I've read numerous offical , guides, considered a spectrum disorder , because it has several subtypes, not just one. _________ www.mayoclinic.com/health/cyclothymia/DS00729www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12462857www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/cyclothymia-cyclothymic-disorderapps.who.int/classifications/apps/icd/icd10online/www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=158# (cyclothymia) www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=46 (dysthymia) ADHD is a slightly easier diagnosis in dsm 5 and will either catch more borderline adhd, or will catch some "normal" people with slight deficits.....depending on one's opinion. I haven't seen any doctor since the diagnosis in 2009......... Good innit? anyway..........back to distractions'...
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Post by phil on Jun 18, 2011 23:13:42 GMT
could this avoidant personality be an anxiety disorder bordering on agoraphobia? rage comic's, PC games, the internet! living in a bubble! theres loads of diffrent types of bipolar disorders in america theres loads of diffrent types of ADHD they do this to shift pills! sleep depravation caused by a sleep disorder can throw up all manner of symptoms so instead of getting snickers sister to a sleep clinic they have wrote in her file cyclothymia as this could or could not develope into bipolar disorder they may not take the chance in treating with stimulents as it could cause mania. so the egotistical doctor who did not weigh everything up in snickers sisters case should have passed her on to the sleep clinic for the sleep problem to be investegated! as that could be a big factor in all this! perhaps cyclothymia could be cured with this
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Post by andy12345 on Jun 18, 2011 23:33:58 GMT
I don't see much need to deal with people, these days. I'm not sure I have ever been really interested in people, I just did whatever I needed to do, to avoid being noticed as a weirdo. Smoke and mirrors, someone said. Sleep clinic was something I thought about. I did a recording on my phone to see if sleep apnoea was detectable (the large spikes in the audio waveform can be detected easily in goldwave etc) The theory is simply.......person stops breathing,eventually snorting/inhalation/wakeup happens creating a big noise spike. There were none, but I only did one recording. Anyway, it's typical that in the old days I would hate getting up for school or work, but on a day off, I could be awake quite easily. Not so easy now. Anyway, I'm off topic now so I'll stop here.
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Post by phil on Jun 19, 2011 1:07:25 GMT
i'll try and find a graphic to explain it more easiler but i hope this explaination helps say you're at the bottom of a hill we will call this depression half way up the hill is normality the peak of the hill is mania and beween is hypomania if you have bipolar disorder 1 for example you will go right over the hill if you get me so from a state of depression to hypomanic moods euphoria to mania then on the otherside of the hill in equal amounts the same on the come down into depression in bipolar 2 you only get as far as the hypomanic stage don't do the full hill to the peak more walk around the side then back down towards the ground ie in this case depressive symptoms say you are up for 6 months you will be down for 6 months it pans out like that. where in the case of one extream like hitting the peak then the depression is rock bottom if you get me. cyclothymia on the other hand is could be's it there is no way to define it theres like 6 symptoms that you could say come from diffrent conditions and some of the symptoms you can put down to ADHD, and one of the symptoms is not wanting to get out of bed and i actually did suffer this but i put this down to depression as it happened after i had my human rights violated and things have change a hell of a lot i'm still implusive but i was mistaking procastinating for depression and thanks to a post by chao's lilly i would have been in the dark about that! alot disorders with respect to mental health ect come about in late teens or higher in my case i can remember stuff back from years ago but the problem i'm facing is evidance and if a friend could remember to bollocking i had for not doing any school work in a whole year that would be the icing on the cake! but her memory is not as good as mine the teacher who gave me the said bollocking is probally dead all i got to go on is school photographs where my whole class has changed! a school report where it makes out i was like sports billy and this is far from the truth just on school days i found it hard to get out of bed i never wanted to go i used to fake illnesses to get out of school plays ect! then everyday you would have snide comments off teachers like you're not even there i remember being in the head mistresses office and her telling my mother there was no need for me to go to a special school that they could educate me i was given a little red hen book to borrow all fucking smiles until i was trapped in the place and they did fuck all for me after i had the mumps my mother had to help me settle in school for a week! basically mainstream school failed me and in special school i could have had one on one tuition and it's highly likely if there was a problem it would have been detected! good point about the hypo hyper moods theres got to be an explanation as if hypo means less and hyper means more why would hypomania be an elivated mood?
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Post by andy12345 on Jun 19, 2011 1:27:05 GMT
Good question on the bottom line. To clarify it a bit better. Hypomania means "less than mania" and is still an elevated mood. Hypothyroid, however, means less than "normal" expected thyroid hormone production. Maybe it's easier to refer bp1, bp2 and cyclothymia (which are still only 3 intensities.)
I'm willing to bet virtual £'s that the manic/depressive parts of a cycle do not have equal durations.
As for a dysthymia like feeling, I've had that seemingly for at least 25+ years. Probably should get some drugs in me.
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Post by phil on Jun 19, 2011 2:15:56 GMT
hypomania is a lesser form of mania andy so thats where the lesser comes into it lol
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Post by phil on Jun 19, 2011 2:23:07 GMT
it drives you nuts trying to get through all this garbage
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Post by andy12345 on Jun 19, 2011 2:32:00 GMT
oops, yes, you mentioned less already in your other post.
Actually, I think my original reply in post 18 was misinterpreted or maybe putting exact detail on it was not so easy.
It was.......... "All I know is that when hypo is prefixing a word, it means smaller, less active.. When hyper prefixes a word, it means large, more active"
You asked: "theres got to be an explanation as if hypo means less and hyper means more why would hypomania be an elivated mood?
Using my explanation would mean: hypomania = less active mania/smaller mania
I think that's clearer.
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Post by phil on Jun 19, 2011 2:36:39 GMT
thats where other sub types come into things and the whole senario gets complex if you understand bipolar one and two generally do but then you can have a mixed mood episode meaning you could be high then but feeling low that adds to the confusion if you walk around in a sheet claiming to be a roman emporer then that may make it easier on a shrink then theres the whole kindling aspect of untreated bipolar disorder? the way it's going i could get an accurate d/x off cardiff and brum university before the NHS
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Post by phil on Jun 19, 2011 4:30:27 GMT
Back to the DSMv 4 lol if the criteria for bipolar 1 or 2 is not met! And there is no other posible causes for a change in mood or there has been class a drug use within 2 years of diagnosis then a cyclothimia brand can be used to give a shrink free reign to treat you in any course they so wish but as you can see in snickers sisters case there is a sleep disorder hence the is another factor that can contribute to mood instability things can be ruled out through a simple blood test which you will get! But lazy psychiatry there is no excuse for and I'm in no dout that there have been cases where ADHD has been mistaken for the early stages of bipolar and vice versa! SSRI's should be treated as a controlled substance and not dished out by any old G.P! There a lot wrong with the NHS getting sued left right and Centre ain't going to help matters! But doctors must be accountable for there actions!
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Post by phil on Jun 19, 2011 5:32:34 GMT
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Post by dizzydumpling on Jun 19, 2011 22:31:56 GMT
Hey Snicks, same as my family - which is small but very imperfectly formed - lumpy bits include depression, substance/alcohol abuse, eating disorder/BDD, ASD, ADHD, OCD & dementia, not to mention just general airy-fairy hippiness all round - all nutty as fruitcakes!
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