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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:01:21 GMT
I grew up on a council estate. My Dad had custody of us; we never knew who our mother was. My Dad has ADHD. My Dad is awesome but he wasn't around much. I have ADHD. Making cups of tea with sugar was one of the highlights of my younger years. I remember taping my broken school shoes with black insulating tape and hoping no one would notice. The girl I fancied noticed!
I know what it's like to be judged, relentlessly, by everyone you meet.
I know what real hunger feels like. I know what anger feels like. I know what sadness feels like. I know what tarmac feels like on your feet when you're running away from home clad only in socks. I know what unconditional love feels like, luckily.
Why am I telling you this?
Try not to be fooled by the noise. Try not to be swayed by history or 'party politics'. These are unprecedented times. Please do your homework and cast a vote for someone to represent our best interests.
I will be voting for Theresa May.
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Post by easilydistracted on Jun 7, 2017 20:11:18 GMT
I won't be voting for Theresa May.
Why?
I like the fact we have an NHS, I like that we have one education system for our kids. Neither is the best in the world but it's better than none at all
I like that we have a degree of employment protection, I have no wish to see the country return to people queueing at factory gates for a day's work in the name of employment flexibility.
I like that our membership of Europe has reduced the worst excesses of "Ripoff Britain"
I like that we have human rights legislation that protects us from the state intruding further into *our* lives to protect *themselves* from the problems *they* caused. I'm not so gullible that I believe that human rights laws only protect bad people, I'm not so naive not to think that the same tools that can be used against terrorism cannot be used against free speech or won't, after all, it's just a matter of degree.
The right wing of the country may have set the Brexit direction, now is the time to prevent it becoming a dangerous and irrecoverable lurch by easing it left.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 23:03:03 GMT
I've never understood politics so I feel compelled to ask what I'm sure must sound like daft questions when someone pipes up. Apologies in advance! How sure are you that any of that is true? How sure are you that any of it has value? How sure are you that the terms 'left' and 'right' are not deprecated? Do you try to force yourself to be ruthlessly objective on this stuff? I sometimes find it difficult. Any thoughts much appreciated
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Post by easilydistracted on Jun 8, 2017 5:42:44 GMT
How sure are you that any of that is true?
Quite sure indeed and if you want I'll point you to the piecemeal privatisation by stealth of our health system or the re-introduction of grammar schools, which by virtue of catchment area driven primary education is a two-teir postcode and thus wealth driven system.
If on the employment front you question my facts I'll point you at the reduction of redundancy notice or the difficulties now in going to tribunal.
On the human rights fronts I'll point you to the protections it has given us from some of the more bizarre decisions of the state, on anti-terror laws I'll point you at the many abuses of the current ones.
How sure are you that any of it has value?
Are you suggesting that a child should receive less education because their parents are not wealthy? Or poorer health treatment?
Are you suggesting we that live under the threat that each day is our last?
Are you suggesting that we have blind trust in government, accept every decision made regardless of how unjust. Or forget that systems to monitor or censor for one purpose, once in place, can have that purpose extended on whim?
Or are you suggesting my opinion has no value?
How sure are you that the terms 'left' and 'right' are not deprecated?
They are, but 'caring' and 'selfish' while equally correct are equally easy to poke holes in, 'left' and 'right' are broadly understood and far less pejorative and so will do for now.
I have policies more than politics, many more questions than answers and dislike the extremes on either side.
If we look like we are going too far in either direction you'll hear me argue.
But today, the threat is that we throw the baby out with the bathwater. We have the ultimate sanction now of walking away from Europe, let's play that hand gently and make sure it benefits us all.
So today, nudge us back from the right, lean left a little.
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Post by marionk on Jun 8, 2017 6:03:25 GMT
Brexit is coming fast, the Tories know it's going to be a fiasco, so they want out, so that they can blame someone else.
I will be voting against the capitalists, as usual, and I won't blame whoever gets in (unless it's the Tories again) for Brexit being a fiasco; it's going to be a fiasco whoever gets in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 6:14:51 GMT
Protect the NHS that failed you your entire life and cost you your marriage and kids? I've watched people suffer needlessly at the behemoth of waste we all like to defend. Let's not forget the real goal is good health; nothing more. Education isn't going anywhere. It'll remain shit for almost everyone. We have close to zero employment protection. I got told I passed probation once at 6 months only to be sacked at 9 months. Guess what? It was my own fault. EU membership dragged the country into the gutter and completely disempowered the Civil Service. The EHCR is also a farce, as tested in court. Pretty much everything people believe about politics is based on the half truths and misconceptions of yesteryear. Every rebel needs a cause, though, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 6:21:58 GMT
Brexit is coming fast, the Tories know it's going to be a fiasco, so they want out, so that they can blame someone else. I will be voting against the capitalists, as usual, and I won't blame whoever gets in (unless it's the Tories again) for Brexit being a fiasco; it's going to be a fiasco whoever gets in. Take a long hard look at her face and tell me you see the face of a shirker/bullshitter?
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Post by marionk on Jun 8, 2017 6:55:10 GMT
I cba arguing about the EU, but seeing that that is your view of it, remember who got us into it in the first place or at least it's precursor the European Common Market, the rest is semantics.
It's not the NHS that failed me, it's the authority that dictates what can and can't be diagnosed and what can and can't be prescribed or sold over the counter in this country, and that is the Department of Health, NOT the NHS.
Even if I had gone private all those years ago when I first went to the doctors, suffering depression, it wasn't the NHS fault that they couldn't dx me with dopamine deficient depression. It wasn't in the NICE guidelines, and it's still not!
It's not the NHS fault that the best medications for ADHD are so hard to get either. Nor is it the NHS fault that there are only three meds licenced for ADHD in this country anyway!
Nor is it the NHS fault that the UK's RDI of protein is borderline too low for ADHDers. And even my privately paid specialist did not pick up on the fact I wasn't eating even that much protein, so don't think private is necessarily any better, even if you can afford it!
And what it you can't afford private? Would you really prefer no help with anything at all?
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Post by easilydistracted on Jun 8, 2017 7:09:37 GMT
@boost
You start with assumptions and get them wrong.
You then seem to argue that because the underfunded NHS makes mistakes it should be abandoned.
Remember the alternative is private healthcare for those that can afford it or none at all.
Private healthcare is only making coin off the misfortune of others, what sort of society thinks that a good idea?
And education? Do you think it only the privilege of the high born?
Employment protection, now, I've been sack justly, with that I have no complaint, I deserved it. I've also come damn close to, what I consider, unfairly losing a job and had it not been for employment law I suspect I would have.
The civil service, like any admistrative system, needs the occassional disembowling. It will never sign up for a diet itself and will only ever grow fatter with increasing numbers of do-nothing managers talking to do-nothing managers.
I suspect you are looking at the ECHR and the decisions held against us, remember, any law that protects the good also protects the bad. To throw the bad to the wolves also throws the good.
With your last two paragraphs you shift from dismissing the points to dismissing me.
The first with the inference that my k knowledge is faulty.
The second a comment on my character.
Really?
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Post by vagueandrandom on Jun 8, 2017 9:05:09 GMT
Unless you live in Mrs May's constituency, you aren't able to vote for her.
It's not a presidential election. You vote for your local representative of the party
whose policies you most agree with. If you decide to vote conservative, and they
do get back in, there's no guarantee that Mrs May will remain leader.
She campaigned to stay in the EU . . .no-one voted for her to lead the party. .
Regarding the NHS. .one reason why there are such differences in ADHD services
around the country is that the Tories brought in CCGs to control the services/money
locally . .it was supposed to empower GPs . .tell that to my GP who rants away to
me about the ridiculous bureaucracy involved in the referral process.
Anyway . . .everyone, use your vote. Vote for what you believe in after looking
at the policies. Don't vote for a personality. .politics is an unstable profession and
leaders and their policies come and go.
I'll be voting Labour for investment in society which will benefit everyone in the end.
I could rant on and argue points, but I have to get out to vote, then I'm off to
knock on doors to get as many people out to have their voices heard, regardless
of their voting intention. Voting is a privilege fought hard for. .use it with thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 12:24:11 GMT
It seems like we're all getting quite emotional. The alternative is private healthcare? Again, a fundamental misconception I keep hearing. My point was this: Don't vote for someone based on years of second hand information. If you're the type of person who loves to throw around terms like 'tory' or 'left and right' you should really stop and consider whether your beliefs are truly founded in fact or whether you've allowed yourselves to be misdirected. I actually like both Corbyn and May for different reasons. Let's also not forget that I probably love to argue and I don't actually know shit about shit "Sometimes it is not enough to do our best; we must do what is required."
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Post by easilydistracted on Jun 8, 2017 19:12:20 GMT
@boost
I think you are the only one getting emotional here.
You offer no suggestions yet say everyone else is wrong.
Past performance is the only true measure we have, what do you suggest? Their promises?
The only thing that is true is that if a promise worries you it's mostly truth, if it cheers you then it's mostly lies.
You've stopped even attempting to make any point and are now casting disparaging comments on other posters judgement.
Ok, have it your way
The only thing you have said of any truth is that you don't know shit for shit.
Even your statement that you love to argue is wrong, argument suggests knowledge and logic and you are displaying none.
You are simply disagreeable
Goodnight
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