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Post by andy12345 on Jul 25, 2009 12:12:28 GMT
The Efalex product mentioned by kriss, arrived today. EDIT 3 lol..... Bit of spiel on the efalex site about adhd, dyslexia, dyspraxia etc. www.efalex.co.uk/fset.asp?pid=5 blah blah. EDIT EDIT 2 The caps below are EFalex +omega 3+6 fgs!! The caps in this link are much cheaper. especially on 3 for 2 pricing .....http://www.boots.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10052&productId=2587&callingViewName=&langId=-1&catalogId=11051
_____ Efalex + omega 3 and 6 below.... £7 for 60 caps Postage £2 Start dose =8 tabs daily so there are 7 days starting dose. Cost = £1.28/day after 12 weeks = 64 pence per day. This is based on 60 cap size and holland and barrett pricing + postage. I reckon buying 2x 60 (£14) + £2 postage = £16+ 14 days start dose = £1.14/day. After 12 weeks = 57p daily. If I notice some good effects, that are replicatable and significant to me, I will do a cost analysis of procuring the ingredients individually although the standardisation will be impossible for me to do lol..... Ingredients, for those interested. Per capsule (8/day to start for 12 weeks, then 4 per day) cost from holland/barrett = approx £1.10 per day based on 60 tabs, postage and 12 week daily dosing. After 12 weeks (argh) take, "4 per day" (cost £0.55 per day) depending on what you paid for it.....(60 caps size) ____________________________Per 4 capsules | (8caps to start) COD LIVER OIL__________________1176mg________2352mg __of which Omega 3 DHA___________260mg_________520mg _________Omega 3 EPA____________ 70mg_________140mg PURE EVENING PRIMROSE OIL________440mg_________880mg __of which Omega 6 nutrients________360mg_________720mg ______of which______GLA__________50mg_________100mg ___________________ AA__________20mg__________40mg VITAMIN E________________________20mg__________40mg THYME OIL________________________ 4mg___________8mg Kcals 16kcals from fat 0kcals from carb no protein. VITAMIN E EC recommended dose = 10mg daily All the others are unestablished.......... If I ever have to do those bloody linefillings again I shall cry!! I will update through here with my feelings. Took 4 at midday, Saturday 25/july/2009 Took 4 just before midnight, Saturday, 25th July. (TO DO)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 12:17:55 GMT
sorry to be lazy & not do math but how much did you pay was it 20 squid a box as someone mentioned
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 13:09:19 GMT
nice one andy just sent mrs to get me some dont no if OK to take ontop of med which reminds me i aint taken them yet and OMG dont want to do that feel like hell has opened up when dont have anamoxetine bit of a down side compared to conserta which is a problem as flying this week and i am definetly hyper sensative and hate flying and dont like being on meds when do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 18:10:45 GMT
bloody hell andy, i have dyscalculus so all those numbers just freaked me right out, apparently you can make your own and im on the trail of the recipe, why didnt you go to boots like i said, they have them in stock so no postage to pay and they were on special offer, buy 2 get 1 free. im glad people are having a go, its all about feeding your vital organs, if they are well fed then your brain will get what it needs to work better and so on.....kriss
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 25, 2009 18:38:58 GMT
Argh, another comorbid- rears its ugly number crunching avoiding head......!! QUOTE why didnt you go to boots like i said, they have them in stock so no postage to pay and they were on special offer, buy 2 get 1 free. END Errrr. I am a member of this site with about 100 epic length posts + 150 others in a short time and am therefore known to go on and on and on and on like captain picard in that parody song. Unfortunately, real life is not the same.......... I mean, honestly kriss, do you think I can plan to go to boots!!! omg. That's a mission and a half. Oh. I just had a look on the site and noted that efalex has different types. Omg, I might have done a fail, as I did not buy them , but my cousin bought them based on him and I thinking efalex was made in 1 formulation only.. We got the Efalex omega 3+6 (it says may aid concentration and brain development. Kriss, which one did you get specifically lol?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 18:59:15 GMT
In future get the formulation that is Omega 3 only - the 6 isn't helpful in large doses.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 25, 2009 19:15:30 GMT
Do you have experience of this product Mr. Dave?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 19:43:12 GMT
Not this brand. I take omega three but can't see the point of taking EPO - I doubt I'll be suffering from menstrual problems first hand Some studies also imply that 6 is not good for depression. Take a shufty round t'interweb and draw your own conclusions, there is some controversy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 20:12:02 GMT
oh christ and so the efalex wars begin. andy i got the same ones as you for brain thingy. I realise that everyone is different and so the effects will be varying, if you find a good thing that works for someone then you like to pass it on, thats all. But, if you dont give something a go then you'll never know, its funny i think how easily people will take a medication prescribed for them by a gp but how controversial a product can be that can be bought over the counter, god only knows what goes into prescribed medications but we trust them for the most part dont we. well at the moment its a case of"in sardines we trust" in our house. from what i have gathered so far, the idea with efalex is to start hard to get them into the system then to reduce after a time so as not to build up too much of a tollerance to them, then if any of the old problems start to reapear, build them back up again. obviously i would not advocate anyone using them any other way than what it says on the tin, but my husband is trying it this way and its all about how they make him feel, hes the one that counts and he knows theres something good happening in his brain, he can only see benefits at the moment but if he starts to grow breasts then i will let you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 20:30:21 GMT
So can you just get omega 3 or do you need this special brand as the former would be cheaper but supose no good if doesnt work.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 25, 2009 20:30:21 GMT
Of course there is controversy. There is always that. For real products, there is misinformation spread by those that don't make money or lose something from it (ie competitors or haters, or hidden agendarists) For fake products, there is misinformation spread by those that make money or gain from it somehow. It's always a two-edged sword is it not? Sometimes, though, some people will just try. I did not even order the product myself lol, just told someone and it was ordered- what a mad world. I should certainly have done my research, but he did not, the tard!! ep.oil is not really necessary for men apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 20:53:54 GMT
Omega 3 is available from many sources - some like the Japanese super processed, sieved by virgins, stirred with a unicorn horn and ten times the price of gold varieties.
I go to ASDA (all the major supermarkets stock it) and get the cheap stuff.
Omega 3 is the stuff that allegedly improves cognitive function, 6 & 9 are aimed at other areas.
I have no idea if it's doing me any good - I'm so chaotic it's hard to tell, and I'm already medicated and that REALLY makes a difference, which may, or may not, mask any effect of omega 3.
But it's cheap and can't be hurting me so I'll keep taking it.
Also - 25g of walnuts apparently gives you the RDA of omega 3.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 21:48:43 GMT
just to throw another brand into the mix... -i take Equazen fish oil capsules, they've been a great help for me in lots of ways, and i believe have helped make my mood more stable. unfortunately, they've not improved my concentration as far as i can tell. but i wouldn't be without them! -they've given me a cold wet nose and a glossy coat! here's a link: www.equazen.co.uk/i did lots of research into fatty acids, i wanted to find a brand that was fish oil, rather than cod liver oil, and was produced to a high standard, as i'd heard concerns about pollutants such as heavy metals, and the high levels of vitamin A (which is poisonous if you take too much) in some oils. this stuff seemed to fit the bill... however, i will say that it's pretty expensive £21 for 180 capsules. anyway, as staus quo say, "you pays your money, you takes your choice!" ;D -matt
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Post by twix on Jul 26, 2009 12:40:23 GMT
LOL Dave, I have to say I am much more pleasant to be around at certain points in the month when I remember my Evening Primrose oil. Ladies, its worth a go for PMT. Men probably not!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 16:42:42 GMT
Nice one for the intel mat.
I think i might try my kids on this oil aswell so good to know about pit falls.
on another note theres somthing called St Johns Wart i got told to try when i feal low anyone tried that, got to find somthing other than chocolate, this amoxatine or whatever is definetly supressing apertite i used be bad binge eater.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 19:33:18 GMT
hi safensound ;D - the omega oils from fish are the easiest for the body to use. but vegetarians can also use Hemp seed & Flax seed oil. my brother uses stuff called Good Oil, which he gets from Waitrose but i guess it's available from lots of supermarkets. here's a link; www.veggieomega3.co.ukif you're gonna try it, buy the "light & mild" version though, because the regular one has a strong taste! - St Johns Wort is used as an antidepressant, it is effective and usually fine to take as long as you're not taking any other drugs, the problem with SJW is that it readily interacts with lots of prescription drugs, usually reducing their effectiveness. for instance, women taking oral contraceptives should not take SJW at the same time. in some cases SJW can react to increase the effect of a drug, so people taking Antidepressants or Stimulants should not take SJW as it can lead to a dangerous condition called Serotonin Syndrome. where the brain has too much serotonin. i don't know if it's okay to take with Atomoxetine, but the main active chemical in SJW is called Hyperforin, which is a Noradrenalin Reuptake Inhibitor, the same as Atomoxetine. -so i'd make sure you speak to a doctor before combining these two very similar chemicals. -MM
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 26, 2009 19:36:00 GMT
QUOTE Omega 3 is available from many sources - some like the Japanese super processed, sieved by virgins, stirred with a unicorn horn and ten times the price of gold varieties. END
Using a weaker version of the goodoil may reduce the good parts. It's strength may be a good indicator..(maybe)
It's all about the active ingredients at the end of the day. As I said above, misinformation campaigns/hidden agendas don't help, do they?
Bring on disposable SPECT/fMRI/pet scans from the pharmacist, I say.
Seriously though, brainwave scans pre-stress and during stress would be good. Also, fMRI apparently can show levels of neurotransmitters or such, would be good for showing difference between different levels of each, subject to accuracy.
It still seems to be a minefield and the best indicator of any ailment in the known world, is how a person feels able to deal with life etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 20:15:44 GMT
don't worry mr andy, i checked that already, the lighter version does have slightly less good stuff than the strong, but not much of a difference. also i've tasted both, and i'd rather have a little more of something okay tasting. the strong stuff is very good for you, but tastes a bit like smokey-mud!!! ;D
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 26, 2009 20:24:29 GMT
That's what I like about this site, everyone's a bit of a smartass lol.
Everyone seems to understand themselves quite well and they all have hidden talents.(I hope) Hmmmm, I only just noticed the add poll option after 7 weeks rofl.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 21:11:45 GMT
what pole
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 21:16:26 GMT
O and thanks again for intel matt the only thing am wondering is if i will notice a diffrence as cant just stop on anomoxatine as did on concerta to see if of any benefit might just take and see if i start doing the sammy the samon dance (am floating away)
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 26, 2009 21:33:59 GMT
Add poll option which I have not used yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 12:48:12 GMT
Hi, Im using Boots Omega 3 1000mg mega pack whcih was on 3 for 2 at £20 per pack. I think the £40 will last about 4 months!! the capsules are Mega (O-Mega :-)!!!but shaped so they swallow OK they have lots of EHA and DHA
I hav ebeen on them for a week or so and not noticed a bing difference but the depression has been bad so may be masking.
I'll keep you posted
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 5, 2009 16:44:52 GMT
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