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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 8:41:31 GMT
<Aside - Two days to SORN. Must do it today online>
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Post by shapes on Mar 12, 2014 11:37:41 GMT
I can see them making ADHD notifiable again just because of this so they can tell people they may be accused of drug driving if on dex.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 12:14:51 GMT
I can see them making ADHD notifiable again just because of this so they can tell people they may be accused of drug driving if on dex. Typical UK Govt duplicity if you ask me. Just done my SORN online, got to the end and states "Your SORN declaration has been successful" then you get a pop up stating "your SORN is not valid until you surrender your tax disc". So I've just gone and got a form and sent the entire thing in with snail mail. What a load of rubbish. Don't ask me then if I'm sure of anything they say regarding reporting ADHD and/or using appropriate meds
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 12:45:52 GMT
OR..are we heading towards, "ADHD doesn't exist because the DM says so and we support everything they, the tabloid press, say! Therefore you can't report something that doesn’t exist to DVLA. However, if you take prescription medication and psychostimulants and drive, then we'll screw you! Ta-daaaaa"?
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Post by wind on Mar 17, 2014 0:08:40 GMT
I'm brand new to ADHD diagnosis as of Friday just gone. (As well as Aspergers, and was already diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder)
I have only just passed my driving test 4 weeks ago, now I'm panicking reading this thread by chance, when I was looking for information on ADHD.
I'm 23.
What happens if I declare this to the DVLA? Do I need to tell my insurance too? Will it put the price of my insurance up?
It doesn't really affect my driving. I'm very much in the zone and concentrate on the road when I'm driving. When I've had my friends in the car, I've told them I can't talk at the same time and will be silent whilst driving.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 1:01:29 GMT
linkNew this month - if ADHD doesn't affect your driving then you don't have to declare it. You'd have to look up your comorbidities to see if they need declaring.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 6:29:08 GMT
It doesn't really affect my driving. I'm very much in the zone and concentrate on the road when I'm driving. When I've had my friends in the car, I've told them I can't talk at the same time and will be silent whilst driving. Yes, exactly what I have to do....and pretty much in line with the new Highway Code guidelines regarding distractions anyway
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Post by DKL - darkknightslover on Mar 27, 2014 19:38:39 GMT
I can't see if this is on another thread but don't celebrate just yet: www.gov.uk/government/consultations/drug-driving-amphetamine-limitThe govt is seeking to introduce a driving limit for amphetamine so low that basically anyone with a dex prescription will be guilty of drug driving. Looks like we'll have to choose between our cars and our sanity. I had a good read of it. linkThe proposal is not up to date with the new DVLA ruling - it is assumed that ADHDers will have declared. It is completely unclear if MPH is included in their draft proposal of limit (as far as I read). It was mooted that a standard dose of Dex would be legal but not a higher than average dosage - surely there is the issue of pharmacomdynamics to consider. On the plus side we have a medical defence We also propose to write to the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) to make them aware of the above situation. It will be for ACPO to disseminate the information as they see fit to ensure that police officers are aware that some ADHD, recognised sleep disorder sufferers and Parkinson’s disease sufferers who are taking dexamphetamine or selegiline may be driving legitimately. Drivers taking dexamphetamine or selegiline will of course be able to seek to rely on the statutory medical defence. If in the view of the police officer their driving was not impaired, then we propose that these drivers should not be arrested nor any further action be taken against them.
If asked about drugs in the system you tell them that you have a prescription - then a merry chase will ensue because you aren't carrying proof and the surgery is shut. Ho hum. Glad I have already declared and been OK-ed! I am a hell of a much safer driver medicated than not, to the point where I will not drive unless I am and therefore don't tend to drive at night if I can avoid it because of the dazzling lights.
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Post by Girl on a motorbike on Apr 8, 2014 20:02:58 GMT
Could anyone please advise? I too didn't declare to DVLA or insurance when I got diagnosis because the Psych and Dr who took over (never seen him about it, he just has his name against my prescription) never said anything about needing to. I only found out through this site and decided, from the info then, that declaring would be bad news. The bad news now is I've been in an accident. Not caused by me - it was the classic "car driver (looking wrong way) pulls out in front of biker, sees biker & hits brakes, bike can't stop in time, crunch". As an attentive biker, I saw what he was going to do but couldn't avoid due to the road conditions I wasn't on medication because my adhd doesn't affect my driving. I pursued a diagnosis to try to sort the chronic procrastination affecting my life. My insurance have been very supportive so far, even putting me forward to their personal injury specialists when I complained of my sore wrist from splatting against the drivers door and window. Lots of companies seem to be contacting me to offer services they hope to claim back from the 3rd party so they can get a slice of the pie. But I digress. All was well and good - it sounded like I could get £2000 for a soft tissue injury. Till I thought about how they'd want me to see a specialist and that this specialist will probably go through my whole medical records. I thought they'd just be looking for pre-existing wrist injuries, but a friend who's been through several PI claims says they look through everything. I am worried that the specialist, seeing undeclared adhd, would report this as something that could potentially affect driving and this would be all the other side need to claim that I was distracted when driving. I am worried that pursuing the PI claim could backfire horribly, that my insurance and other parties would find out and I'd lose my insurance and be liable for everything even though I was the victim. I've till Saturday to back out of my PI claim. I may lose right to £2000 but at least then insurers wouldn't find out. Perhaps this dreadful series of events will help me beat my procrastination for good. I was meaning to join the union a could of weeks ago and their free law service would have been invaluable now <sigh>. Any thoughts on what I should do in this mess? I've gone from being relieved that everything is being handled to completely bricking it :S
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Post by shapes on Apr 8, 2014 22:10:21 GMT
It's not mandatory to declare it now. They would have to prove your condition affected your driving. They have no evidence to prove that. Personally I'd continue with it. If they do ask, just tell them it doesn't affect your driving.
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Post by purplepower on Apr 9, 2014 4:10:15 GMT
It's not mandatory now but it was before....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 8:01:26 GMT
The good thing is, you've tackled this worry well before Saturday instead of leaving it till the last minute. Advice already given aside, this fact deserves some praise IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 9:58:16 GMT
Girl on Motorbike - if your 'facts' are correct then someone emerging onto a major road is automatically at fault (I'm assuming 'pulled out in front' = emerging from a stop, or give way, controlled minor road to a major road).
How can you be at fault? Were you being negligent? You could only be negligent if driving at a speed inappropriate (speeding or too quickly for the conditions) or were busy looking at the baa lambs in a different direction or had a defective vehicle.
Even if you are disqualified or blind drunk you are still not at fault if your actions were correct - you'd just be charged with those offenses separately unless they were contributory factors (I've been in court with that).
Obviously the other party's representatives will try anything on to wriggle out of admitting fault - just stick to your guns.
They'd have to prove, against the obvious facts, that you were negligent.
It doesn't sound like you were.
Your health condition is not a factor if you weren't negligent so don't worry about it.
If challenged on the undeclared ADHD point them to the DVLA - it's not a declarable medical condition (if you and your medics say it isn't) which has a knock on for insurance - they ask if you have a declarable condition/condition which affects driving.
Bit of luck there - it's come in just in time for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 10:03:04 GMT
Nice post @planetdave <ADDJ searches in vain for "thumbs up" smiley>
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Post by Girl on a motorbike on Apr 9, 2014 19:33:48 GMT
Thank you so much for this, it has made me feel that there is some slim hope, but I'm still very worried about pursuing the personal injury claim. What I fear is that the medical will flag up the ADHD (though an orthopaedic specialist looking at my wrist wouldn't be able to make an informed judgement on my ADHD, would he?), and that the main issue won't be failing to notifying the DVLA but failing to notify my own insurance company. I guess the 3rd party could refuse to pay out on grounds that ADHD could have been a factor in the crash ("Her ADHD meant she didn't react in time to avoid the crash like someone without ADHD would. Should she even be riding at all??"). I don't yet have evidence from medics that it doesn't effect my driving even though I know it doesn't. If my insurers find out I hadn't disclosed when I got my diagnosis a few years ago, even if I didn't realise I had to disclose, they could consider it their discretionary right to make my insurance null and void because I failed to notify them of the change to my circumstances which could affect my ability to drive. My friend posed as a mother asking about insurance for a daughter with ADHD (wish I'd thought of that years ago ... genius!), and they said ADHD doesn't inflate premiums and all they need is evidence that neither the condition nor the medication affects your ability to drive. What does inflate premiums is having special modifications to your vehicle if you need them so you can drive without an arm, etc, as they're expensive. They said what would affect your insurance is failing to notify them when you develop a condition. :S So even though the other party is completely at fault, I'm worried there could be reasonable doubt cast by my own medical records as to my ability to ride. The main biggie though is that I didn't tell my insurers, so they could make it as if I was never insured. Then I could be looking at sky high insurance thereafter or worse, and being liable for costs (bike collection and evaluation, repairs, hire bike, etc). It could all go just... horrible. I phoned ADDISS to ask for their advice. They've asked me to email them the details and they'll see if they can find out where I stand legally. This is a whole can of worms because I haven't disclosed at work either. The only places I've felt comfortable to disclose are educational establishments, so to speak, 'cos my ADHD seriously affects my ability to complete homework on time and they're used to lots of pupils having all sorts of learning difficulties. So I guess if I was injured at work and haven't disclosed, this whole issue could happen again. A friend has said I'm lucky this was just a minor accident as a serious one could've really landed me in the poo. Looking at the DVLA website it says you even have to notify ("you must...") of learning difficulties. How many people with Dyslexia know that they have to disclose? Or if you have post traumatic stress disorder? Or OCD? How many health professionals tell you about notifying insurers / the DVLA? Does ADHD count as a learning difficulty, or a disability, or a medical condition, or all?!, or none?! How would the insurers react to being notified in retrospect next time my renewal comes up? "Oh, I've got ADHD?", "When did you find that out?", "Oh, 3 years ago..." I'm thinking I should cancel my Personal injury claim for now to gain a bit of breathing space. I think I can make a claim up to 3 years after the accident, so over the next month I'll try to sort out this can of worms before I do something that lands me in the poo. Thank you sooo much again for the help . This does seem to make the question to disclose or not to disclose a bit more of a bind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 21:20:36 GMT
Read your insurance policy.
It will have health clauses - usually they ask if you have any condition which affects your driving.
DVLA says
Check with your doctor if you’re not sure if your ADHD affects your driving. You must tell DVLA if it does.
Unless your policy says you have to declare ADHD then you should make your claim.
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Post by shapes on Apr 9, 2014 23:07:50 GMT
I really think you're worrying too much. But it's your decision. The onus is on them to prove you were unfit to drive due to a medical condition.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 6:54:46 GMT
I personally think that the ADHD situation is sufficiently muddled to become a legal charter, a solicitor's cash cow if you like, in our favour.
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Post by DKL - darkknightslover on Apr 10, 2014 11:38:31 GMT
It's a very interesting situation - please do keep us updated on this! I can totally understand why you're worried, on the one hand there's common sense and on the other hand there are insurers and a complex legal system. It's fun and games it might be worth contacting your psychiatrist and asking him or her to send a letter to your GP stating that they don't believe your ADHD affects your driving (if that is the case) then at least the specialist who knows you best has an official document in your notes that the insurers can use in your defence. With regards to your insurance going up in price, I have brevet heard of a single person who has had their price increased purely on that basis. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Post by shapes on Apr 10, 2014 12:15:39 GMT
Insurers aren't legally allowed to increase premiums based upon medical issues unless they have evidence that those medical problems increase the risk of the driver.
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Post by purplepower on Apr 20, 2014 15:19:19 GMT
I finally got the okay from DVLA last week. No idea why it took so long.
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Post by astraka on Apr 24, 2014 18:29:39 GMT
Surely it would make no sense for it to be compulsory to declare ADHD as it is acknowledged to be massively under diagnosed. I suppose they could change the rule to you must declare if you think you might possibly have ADHD.
Personally I like driving because it clears my head of the extraneous rubbish flitting in and out. I would seriously consider not asking for a diagnosis if I thought it would mean being disallowed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 9:30:33 GMT
Surely it would make no sense for it to be compulsory to declare ADHD as it is acknowledged to be massively under diagnosed. I suppose they could change the rule to you must declare if you think you might possibly have ADHD. Personally I like driving because it clears my head of the extraneous rubbish flitting in and out. I would seriously consider not asking for a diagnosis if I thought it would mean being disallowed. They might argue that it's "massively over-diagnosed" - see current government fear mongering project. Seems to me there's sufficient muddle for lawyers to be rubbing their hands in glee at the potential money to be made on the back of how unclear the law actually is on this.
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Post by astraka on Apr 26, 2014 19:26:54 GMT
They might argue that it's "massively over-diagnosed" - see current government fear mongering project. I don't believe anything this government says
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 21:48:42 GMT
They might argue that it's "massively over-diagnosed" - see current government fear mongering project. I don't believe anything this government says ...or any government. One plays bad cop, the other good cop. But in the end, the result seems the same to me. And will the next government, possibly headed by someone else, reverse the nasty things orchestrated by the incumbents? Probably not IMO. Even the Zero-hours Contract enslavement process will be repackaged to sound less offensive but will essentially stay the same under a different guise. Same puppeteer holding the strings, just interchangeable puppets. Sad for us all really. And these people have their sticky little fingers on some seriously damaging kit.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 13, 2014 22:15:15 GMT
Eek! I've never even thought about declaring to the DVLA or my insurance company! I've been driving 9 years now. Think I'll have to have a bit of a read up on things.
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Post by surprised on Sept 1, 2014 21:58:20 GMT
Im 47, had 3 accidents since 19, one my fault (2 wks after passing test) one 50/50 and the other not at all my fault. That was 25yrs ago. I would say go by your driving and the confidence in your ability. If you drive an average amount and havent ever had or had very few and they were mot your fault, then logic would say your driving is not impaired. Mind you, since when do the govt, or insurance companies use logic?!?
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Post by probioticgirl on Sept 3, 2014 7:27:48 GMT
i agree with Nytol, its one of few times i can focus entirely. i consider myself a great driver, not one crash that i caused (2 crashes where other faults). why should we tell DVLA if it makes no difference? can they use it against us in a crash or something? Jonathan Totally agree.....I mean, it is statistically proven that smoking cigs while driving increases accident likelihood, but do smokers have to report to the DVLA that they are smokers? No. I think I focus well when driving, too, although I do get a little annoyed with persistent rattling sounds which I have groped around the dashboard trying to remedy, when my passenger says they can't hear it.
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