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Post by Lesley on Apr 26, 2016 11:33:45 GMT
... there doesn't seem to be a sub-section in the Media section for newspaper and magazine articles about ADHD. Surely there must be - where have we put them up to now? Anyway, I'm posting it here - perhaps someone can move it to the right place if it's just my browser having a funny moment. www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/25/online-adhd-test-health-guardian
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Post by vagueandrandom on Apr 26, 2016 11:45:29 GMT
I see anopheles has found the comments already. . . there goes my day. . .
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Post by marionk on Apr 26, 2016 18:19:57 GMT
Nice article! I'm not so sure about the test, though, it sounds like the kind of stupid game that I do while avoiding what I ought to be doing. I haven't tried it yet though, I try not to read comments . . .
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Post by Jonboy on Apr 26, 2016 19:38:31 GMT
I've done tests like this at Manchester University for people doing research into Autistic Spectrum Disorders.
I can focus really well on these tests as I like doing them.
I sometimes find that even on the hardest setting I can quite easily complete them.
I don't think I'm typical when it comes to tests like this, and maybe I would slip through the net if this kind of test was used as the only diagnosis.
It would probably need some kind of brain scan to see the areas of the brain at work to diagnose ADHD/ASD though I would've thought. But that is more expensive, so less likely in an NHS environment.
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Post by contrarymary on Apr 26, 2016 22:13:51 GMT
interesting article, thank you for posting Lesley
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Post by alien on Apr 28, 2016 6:54:48 GMT
I did a very similar test when I was assessed and scored incredibly 'badly'. I think part of it was how wound up I felt on the day (going into the test after a two hour interview and being told it was 25 minutes long). I asked the psychs what the average score was and they avoided answering for some reason. I was a bit shocked when the author of this poece said she got a perfect score but haven't checked to see if the test runs for the same duration. Conditions were also in an unfamilar environment and at one point they played a white noise recording so that's different too.
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Post by alien on Apr 28, 2016 7:38:26 GMT
Just looked at my qb test results sheet - 99 percentile for inattention and activity, 92 for impulsivity. Seems an odd way to gauge impulsivity. 49.6 per cent 'omission error'.
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Post by marionk on Apr 28, 2016 19:05:34 GMT
I was thinking about 'conditions' when I was posting before.
I could imagine scenarios where I would do 'well' and others where I would do 'badly', and no matter how standard they might make the exam conditions, there is no way anyone could control the outside influences.
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Post by clubby on Apr 29, 2016 12:08:12 GMT
I was deeply disturbed by this article.
Not the report itself, which is interesting enough, but by the comments of the Guardian readers.
I had to take time out to reassess the situation.
People in pain because ADHD controls their mind, and people in pain because ADHD sufferers pains their minds.
What sort of intelligent world do we live in that allows this vicious circle of misery?
There are 2 core things that affect my ability to connect amicably with "those who can".
1 An inability to access information within the brain when I need it or when someone else needs it.
eg a)What did you do this morning? ADHD answer - No Idea ( Despite sweating profusely from never having stopped)
b)How do you spell your name? ADHD answer - Hmmm good question - not sure - will have to write it down
c)Which cake making process do you prefer? ADHD answer - Blank - hmm - blank - the one which mmm whats it called again
2 An inability to call up or maintain an automatic step by step routine which you have been practicing for years.
a) Teacher starts waffling and loses class - NT - switches into auto pilot pretend attention mode ADHD - looks at the butterfly on the window b) Working on assembly line - NT - switches into auto pilot matching the routine ADHD - quickly gets exhausted consciously keeping the routine going
These 2 things interfere with every relationship in life whether animal, vegetable or mineral.
It is my experience that when I am functioning well, I am managing consciously what other people manage subconsciously with learnt automatic routines which they call up every second.
If this is adhd then it is no wonder that we are exhausted.
But to our advantage we have deep insights into how the brain functions, unlike those who live their lives on autopilot.
Surely it is time to stop all the stereotype rubbish we see in articles. It only feeds the NT anger. And for this reason they have a point. And that makes me very sad.
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Post by marionk on Apr 29, 2016 13:20:27 GMT
What are the odds that it's the same NT's that get irritated at our inablility to do things that they take for granted, that also refuse to accept that AD(H)D is a real thing?
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Post by contrarymary on Apr 29, 2016 13:59:44 GMT
It is my experience that when I am functioning well, I am managing consciously what other people manage subconsciously with learnt automatic routines which they call up every second. If this is adhd then it is no wonder that we are exhausted. ^^ that so brilliantly summarises something very important thank you v much clubbyi am SO tired. i have no idea how much comes from the above, or from autistic traits, or from trying to pass for Normal when out in the world. there is also something exhausting about not being understood, accepted. neither knowing nor being known. it is minefield and a nightmare. these articles, and public responses to them, somehow seem to entrench opinions still further. perhaps it is to do with coming to this knowledge as adults? or the fact that we are at the cutting edge of new understanding of neuroscience, neurobiology, neuropsychiatry. and thus easy targets for sceptics to pop at? basically, i have no idea. and i'm so tired
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Post by clubby on Apr 29, 2016 14:01:04 GMT
Hi marionkI think those that get irritated the most are those who experience adhd symptoms to a very small degree. So they understand in some ways what we are experiencing but they consider these things to be overcomeable with effort because that is their experience. The difference between what can be achieved with effort and what can't is very small. This small difference, they take for granted. This article shows that the medical profession is still in the dark about adhd. They are still badgering on about busy children and inattention. I think these are red herrings which make us look rude. But we know our souls are not rude and in fact we find a lot of what NTs do as utterly offensive. We are not a rude people, not inside. This forum is testament to that.
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Post by vagueandrandom on Apr 29, 2016 14:02:41 GMT
That's why I feel compelled to comment . . Jonbob and I spent a whole day commenting on a Guardian article about medication of ADHD last year. So much ignorance about. . clubby
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Post by vagueandrandom on Apr 29, 2016 14:36:41 GMT
Crossposts galore! . . contrarymary . . 1: exhaustion. . Trying to keep on top of things is incredibly exhausting. . and it's really difficult to explain to the NTs . . I had a nice day out by the sea yesterday. . .2 hours drive each way. . chatting and walking and trying not to make a fool of myself. . . then last night I actually fell asleep while text chatting. . I carried on for about an hour. . a bit like sleep walking. . which I sometimes do when over exhausted . . 2: Coming to knowledge as adults . . I think this is an important point. Many of us did OK at school and muddled through, inventing systems and strategies to get along in life and to 'pass' as NT. . . We're intelligent and self aware. . and an ADHDer with hyperfocus can become a dangerous expert in their own condition in a short time. . . and who knows best what ADHD is like? US! clubby . . Focus on inattention and naughty/hyperactive children. . That's why I always like to tell people about the social and emotional issues associated with ADHD. They are not 'testable' or 'treatable' and aren't thought to be as important to everyday life as being able to sit still, complete tasks, remember things. . . I've developed exhausting systems for the practical things. . . But what would improve my life enormously would be friends, maybe a relationship. . . to have some control over my roller coaster moods and emotions which cause me to be depressed and anxious and to destroy my self esteem. . Oh dear! I'm I'm on a downward roll. . .
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Post by clubby on Apr 29, 2016 14:38:42 GMT
Hi contrarymary - you said "the fact that we are at the cutting edge of new understanding of neuroscience, neurobiology, neuropsychiatry. " This is exactly right. We are pioneers along with all those ASD and all those who have difficulties connecting to a very clockwork, noisy, automated, scheming world. That world has outgrown itself and we have a lot of insights into how the brain operates, insights which could help the new order of things, if they would listen.
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Post by contrarymary on Apr 29, 2016 15:56:22 GMT
clubby ha! i've been doing a fair bit of thinking on this in a wholly separate sphere Thank You for bring it so neatly together it affirms me in believing that i'm doing the right thing/going in the right direction even when i feel a bit lost & powerless with that - serendipity, common threads, glints of diamonds and all those other things. (if you're interested, i'll happily PM you about it, but it's a bit tmi for public forum) and for "our souls are not rude" i love that xx
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Post by clubby on Apr 29, 2016 17:41:54 GMT
contrarymary PM? Whatever that is, go for it. PS Mashed up almond scone recipe with normal scone recipe. Wow, the texture was fab. Many thanks
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Post by contrarymary on Apr 29, 2016 21:14:57 GMT
PM - private message - ie send you a note - good for those things which might be a bit personal or specific to put on a public forum scones sound greeat
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