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Post by marionk on May 5, 2016 13:50:46 GMT
A while back I read a post that said that just 5mg more than however much they had been taking, had made all the difference, but I can't find it now so any help with finding that would be appreciated. Also, if anyone else has had a similar experience, I'd love to know about it. So far I've (only?) taken up to 40mg in one dose, having worked up from 10mg and the only (beneficial) effects I've been able to detect are a lessening of 'the munchies' and a calmness and slight resistance to stress, that I've just realised could be termed happiness! I had long suspected that 'the munchies' was more from a need for dopamine release than hunger, and of course happiness is closely associated with dopamine, so, while I am strongly inclined to say it's not doing anything, actually, it IS, as far as increasing available dopamine is concerned. But it's not translating into improved memory or concentration, and it and only fades completely away after a day or more without. So rather than simply give up on it, I am wondering if I need more? But I have no idea how much more.
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Post by Endymion on May 5, 2016 16:24:02 GMT
I have a regime of 3 x 30mg of MPH a day. 100mg is the daily limit advised by NICE I believe. I am quite a large bloke though - 6ft1, and so I suspect the lower doses did not have the required effect because of my size.
Have to have a break now and again as that amount of crap in your body clearly isn't going to assist long term but the benefits definitely outweigh the problems - mainly only loss of appetite and some sleep loss if taken too late!
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Post by smogz101 on May 5, 2016 17:33:09 GMT
I was on 3x 20mg before seeing any improvements in concentration! And I'm only 5'4 and 8 stone. Do you just take one dose of 40 and is it instant release or extended?
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Post by marionk on May 5, 2016 19:48:17 GMT
It's Ritalin (IR), I'm a bit less than 13st. 80kg 10mg in the morning did nothing, so I took a second dose in the afternoon, still nothing so I gradually increased to 20mg twice a day. First time I took 20mg I did get a slight buzz, but not again since, not even when I increased to 2x30mg. 2x20 and 2x30 both make me less stressy, more content, so I do like it, and I do wonder what the long term effects of being more relaxed will be, (I expect less fatigue leading to ability to do more stuff without feeling dizzy about it) but I really need something that will help with the other stuff, especially memory and concentration. I reckon that before I give up on it though, I should try a higher dose, but am still wary of taking more than the doc permits, so I figure that I will stay within the 60mg a day but take more in one dose, so I took 40mg in one dose this morning. I did get a bit of a buzz, but that was probably because I'd not taken any for a couple of days, (testing to make sure I wouldn't get any nasty withdrawal things happening, before taking any higher dose). I've just remembered and checked, the recommended max dose for adults is currently 1mg per kg, (even though it's 2mg per kg for children. ) That means I could take 80 mg a day.
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Post by ishara on May 8, 2016 9:29:34 GMT
Anyone know why the dose for kids per kg is twice that for adults, apart from adults being off licence? I've only tried 20mg once thus far, but didn't seem to touch the sides. As I'm about 60kg, I suppose (assuming persisting with 20x2 doesn't help), I could take 30mg X 2 a day. I could live with something working during the day and nothing at night...I just want something to work! I know there are alternatives to Ritalin (I'm actually taking mediket but I presume that shouldn't make a difference?) but I really like the concept of something I can just when I need it and happily bounce off the walls the rest of the time;-)
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Post by marionk on May 10, 2016 15:59:49 GMT
Oops! Just found this, waiting for me to hit 'Create Post'
I think it is the license thing, that and adults being more likely to have elevated BP.
I'm finding that the Ritalin, at 2x20 or 30mg, it's a great buffer against stress, (exactly like when you're happy).
Higher than that and it gives me a short lived buzz, at least the first time I take a higher dose.
I need to talk to the doc again, but I suspect that taking enough to give me a buzz, will make it lose it's effectiveness pretty quickly.
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Post by ishara on May 20, 2016 17:37:54 GMT
Hi MK, just seen this:-) my consultant said max 100mg a day (I'm not sure about whether it makes a difference whether two or three doses; I would think so)... And that it wasn't about weight, but how fast your liver happens to metabolise it.
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Post by ishara on May 20, 2016 17:45:40 GMT
Seems to me it's all a bit of a dark art - like many, if not all meds. Trial and error! Good point about BP- that's my mine concern. I've taken 20mg X 3 most days for two weeks. No buzz, no difference.
Funnily enough, an anti labelling colleague of mine suggested that that 'proved' my brain was normal. I was rather of the converse opinion; surely a neuro typical brain exposed to this dosage would be different?
Anyway, I'm not taking that very seriously. Apart from anything else, he was going down the ADHD doesn't exist, all the stuff is totally normal line...and then talking about his own "normal" hyperfocus etc etc and that his 12 yr son is very hyperactive...and that said son was given an ADHD dx.
We get on well (otherwise he wouldn't know my dx), so I just laughed and pointed out that maybe just maybe his brain wasn't Nt either and he might not want to use it as a benchmark for normality *chuckle*
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Post by ishara on May 20, 2016 17:47:04 GMT
Btw, I'm not sure how much evidence there is that people habituate to stimulants, buzz or otherwise?
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Post by Endymion on May 24, 2016 13:50:20 GMT
Seems like in some cases a much higher dose might be affective. Found an article where a kid was taking between 4800 - 6000mg a day and was physically ok when reviewed: www.medscape.com/viewarticle/769424
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Post by marionk on May 25, 2016 10:12:04 GMT
Btw, I'm not sure how much evidence there is that people habituate to stimulants, buzz or otherwise? Well there is a lot of evidence of addiction to amfetamin, and I had a nasty time coming off seroxat. The Seroxat gave me a big buzz to start with, but after two weeks I was stuck on it, and it didn't give me a buzz any more. I did ask the doc about a lower dose, but she just said that wasn't how it's supposed to work, and told me to keep on taking them!!! As I was on the lowest tablets available, I figure that my serotonin levels were ok before I took the Seroxat, so the Seroxat took them way too high, and my body/brain took action to reduce them back to normal. That's plenty to make me really nervous about taking more than I need of anything.
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