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Post by clubby on May 6, 2016 18:19:36 GMT
I feel I am more intuitive than my NT friends.
It has been suggested that dyslexia encourages intuitive thinking.
Do you think having ADHD increases intuitive ability?
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Post by ananse on May 6, 2016 19:19:36 GMT
Detail oriented, non-conceptual, non-linear thinking. Concrete rather than abstract. Right-brain dominance. More or less synaestethic perception. Things like that.
I believe these traits are considered intuitive and I associate them with coocoo spectrum in general. Normal concepts don't appear relevant and it's not practical inventing a new one for every new situation, so it's more like... close your eyes and run.
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Post by clubby on May 6, 2016 20:06:25 GMT
Detail oriented, non-conceptual, non-linear thinking. Concrete rather than abstract. Right-brain dominance. More or less synaestethic perception. Things like that. I believe these traits are considered intuitive and I associate them with coocoo spectrum in general. Normal concepts don't appear relevant and it's not practical inventing a new one for every new situation, so it's more like... close your eyes and run. I was thinking more like big imagination, ideas, dreams, fantasy, questioning why things happen the way they do, always feeling slightly detached from the actual, concrete world, always questioning, wondering and making connections, believing in novelty, in the open mind, and in never-ending improvement. Needing quiet to think properly, thoughts arriving as from nowhere, knowing things without knowing how you know things. Just knowing things Non-linear thinking yes. And what may I ask is "coocoo spectrum"!!!!!!
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Post by ananse on May 6, 2016 21:25:46 GMT
Yes that's what I too mean. Imagination and creativity, subconcious decision-making.
Coocoo-spectrum... Well, simply the whole wide spectrum of coocoo-conditions! Those more or less related and more or less problematic NP phenomenas. Autism, synaesthesia, dyslexia, self-regulation disorders, prosopagnosia, etc. Backwards thinking. They usually seem to affect personality and behavior slightly towards excentricity.
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Post by contrarymary on May 6, 2016 21:36:43 GMT
Well, simply the whole wide spectrum of coocoo-conditions! Those more or less related and more or less problematic NP phenomenas. Autism, synaesthesia, dyslexia, self-regulation disorders, prosopagnosia, etc. Backwards thinking. They usually seem to affect personality and behavior slightly towards excentricity. i'm at home with neurodiverse/neurotypical, but what's NP pls? neuro something?
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Post by clubby on May 6, 2016 21:44:23 GMT
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Post by ananse on May 6, 2016 21:48:08 GMT
Well, simply the whole wide spectrum of coocoo-conditions! Those more or less related and more or less problematic NP phenomenas. Autism, synaesthesia, dyslexia, self-regulation disorders, prosopagnosia, etc. Backwards thinking. They usually seem to affect personality and behavior slightly towards excentricity. i'm at home with neurodiverse/neurotypical, but what's NP pls? neuro something? Neuro-psychiatric.
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Post by clubby on May 6, 2016 21:55:52 GMT
ananse Are you suggesting we are all bonkers?
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Post by ananse on May 6, 2016 22:33:22 GMT
ananse Are you suggesting we are all bonkers? I'm sure you read my posts and I said a lot more than that. But still... Bonker... I think I like that! Bananas-Primarily Spacy with Bonker traits. Or just Coocoo Not Otherwise Specified.
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Post by contrarymary on May 6, 2016 23:28:40 GMT
i'm at home with neurodiverse/neurotypical, but what's NP pls? neuro something? Neuro-psychiatric. i would take issue with the labeling as neuro psychiatric, which makes it sound as tho these are acquired illnesses to be cured rather than how brains have been originally wired, which brings strengths as well as weaknesses, and is part of the spectrum of normal human development. i'm a big fan of neurodiversity, and get along with neurodevelopmental. but somehow i have a complete mental block with neuro psychiatric which is linked (in my mind at least) with lots of unscientific (unproven) freudian hypotheses, and trails the last vestiges of the paternalistic power-wielding model of mental medicine.
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Post by clubby on May 7, 2016 9:31:50 GMT
ananse and contrarymaryMy sense of fun and conscious reasoning is quite happy to accept that we are bananas, bonkers and coo-coo. A psychic once told a friend of mine that I am woo-woo, whatever that means. But my intuition tells me very strongly that we are not crazy so it is somewhat rejectful of the label NP as a backward step in our emergence into society as respected people. My intuition also tells me that the NT ND differentiation is also dodgy, but that at this time it is a necessary labelling system to help us progress forward on that journey.
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Post by vagueandrandom on May 7, 2016 12:46:30 GMT
I also have difficulty with labelling neurodiversity as a psychiatric illness. . . .
I have psychiatric problems, but see them as a side effect of having a ND brain
which causes difficulties processing the NT world. . .
these have become ingrained over the 48 years prior to enlightenment (dx)
and I'm doing my best to understand and improve my MH with this knowledge.
I don't mind bonkers, coocoo, bananas, spacey etc. .
Oh. . and I do think that I'm more intuitive in some situations than NTs.
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Post by ananse on May 7, 2016 19:52:38 GMT
Yes, I totally agree, just expressing myself carelessly. I mean nerodiversity, neurodevelopemental conditions.
According to free online MBTI, I'm close to 100% intuitive by the way. More or less totally without contact with the actual physical objective world...
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Post by clubby on May 7, 2016 21:16:19 GMT
Excellent ananse I am the same. On Myers Briggs I am predominantly INFP,
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Post by ananse on May 8, 2016 11:25:25 GMT
Excellent ananse I am the same. On Myers Briggs I am predominantly INFP, I'm supposed to be INTP, N and P very articulated.
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Post by contrarymary on May 8, 2016 16:49:45 GMT
i'm ENFP tho i've also tested as xNFP (50/50 on the E/I), and my P/J has moved a fair bit since my last management job i recall something about the end letters being influenced by circumstance as much as personality, whereas the middle two are innate..?
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Post by clubby on May 8, 2016 18:25:17 GMT
i'm ENFP tho i've also tested as xNFP (50/50 on the E/I), and my P/J has moved a fair bit since my last management job i recall something about the end letters being influenced by circumstance as much as personality, whereas the middle two are innate..? I think it is possible to move about among the personalities according to need. For example just now I am in INTP mode because I am thinking deeply about coping strategies and hyperfocussing which makes me a bit geeky. When I meet people and I am full of enthusiasm and switched on to their cues, then for an hour only I can appear like an ENFP. I find it almost impossible to go from P to J but I have had some success with N to S for a short time. As a natural INFP, I find it harder to move 2 letters at a time and hardest to move 3. As for my opposite ESTJ - impossible - just not me - couldn't do it unless I was really really acting "ESTJs are hardworking traditionalists, eager to take charge in organizing projects and people. Orderly, rule-abiding, and conscientious" Does anyone know an ESTJ with ADHD - that must be really tough.
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Post by ananse on May 8, 2016 21:21:24 GMT
i'm ENFP tho i've also tested as xNFP (50/50 on the E/I), and my P/J has moved a fair bit since my last management job i recall something about the end letters being influenced by circumstance as much as personality, whereas the middle two are innate..? I think it is possible to move about among the personalities according to need. For example just now I am in INTP mode because I am thinking deeply about coping strategies and hyperfocussing which makes me a bit geeky. When I meet people and I am full of enthusiasm and switched on to their cues, then for an hour only I can appear like an ENFP. I find it almost impossible to go from P to J but I have had some success with N to S for a short time. As a natural INFP, I find it harder to move 2 letters at a time and hardest to move 3. As for my opposite ESTJ - impossible - just not me - couldn't do it unless I was really really acting "ESTJs are hardworking traditionalists, eager to take charge in organizing projects and people. Orderly, rule-abiding, and conscientious" Does anyone know an ESTJ with ADHD - that must be really tough. We probably do have a personality, a fundament that won't change much in grown-up age. But if we break it down into specific functions - of course I'm capable of for example introverted feeling, even if it's no natural mode in my case. I too would say that the last letter is the one that changes most depending on situation. Sometimes planning is natural, sometimes improvising (except for the fact that planning never seems to be natural for me). Extraversion/introversion probably can seem to differ depending on situation, but it's a question about what gives you energy. Being solitude or among others. I once took some silly test about personality and music, where I appeared to be an INFJ. I may have an other way of functioning when dealing with music. ESTJ will probably usually not be diagnosed ADHD unless their problems are very severe. This J first of all seems oppositional to impulsivity. However, hyperactivity don't seem to be totally uncommon within this group and having poor attention should be possible too. Investigating this may perhaps be a bit difficult though, because it's a bit hard imagining anyone acknowledging actually being ESTJ...
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Post by shapes on May 8, 2016 21:39:30 GMT
INFP here, 98℅ intuitive, 90% prospecting. I think those are my defining traits. It explains why I like to daydream so much.
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Post by clubby on May 8, 2016 22:18:51 GMT
hi ananse RE "I once took some silly test about personality and music, where I appeared to be an INFJ. I may have an other way of functioning when dealing with music. " That is really interesting. Music does seem to have a different channel in the brain. I am able to use music as a coping mechanism for my adhd.
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Post by clubby on May 9, 2016 7:58:41 GMT
Its interesting that everyone so far has responded that they are more comfortable with (N) and (P). I am finding that the more I practice interaction with the physical world (S) the better I am able to cope with adhd but there is a limit because I get easily overwhelmed by everything so I have to retreat. If you are there marionk, I would like to ask you, in the Myers Briggs System, where you would place yourself on the S-N spectrum.. You talk about being able to look at things and work out what to do. That is a great skill.
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Post by ananse on May 9, 2016 8:35:45 GMT
By the traditional image we get of ADHD, it would be reasonable assuming ESFP to be the most common type. Dee Dee Ramone. Fast, social, chasing sensations, etc. Extreme sports, stimulant drugs, etc. In reality it appears to be INFP, more like Joey Ramone.
Also, our image of AS probably tends to lean towards ISTJ rather than INTP. Mr Spock more than Sherlock Holmes. I.e. a person appearing rigid because logic as well as structure and control are parts of his very nature, not a desperate protection against sensory overload.
Any way, this perceptive part seems to be somewhat fundamental as well as intuition. Right brain dominance, I'd call it. There are no built-in filters, all impressions come with equal priority. Then a lot of after-sorting needs to be done.
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Post by vagueandrandom on May 9, 2016 8:47:40 GMT
I had no idea what you lot were talking about, so I had to go off and take a test. .
I think I've taken one before.
I got ENFP . . but only 57% E, so I'm sure that some days I might swing towards the I. .
97% intuitive. .
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Post by Babble on May 9, 2016 12:04:21 GMT
I'm INTP, only 30-something% Intuitive apparently.
But that's probably because a lot of the questions were subjective, and I didn't feel comfortable clicking yes or no, when my answer would vary depending on the situation. (It pegged me as pedantic, and I can't exactly deny it).
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Post by marionk on May 9, 2016 12:36:03 GMT
Its interesting that everyone so far has responded that they are more comfortable with (N) and (P). I am finding that the more I practice interaction with the physical world (S) the better I am able to cope with adhd but there is a limit because I get easily overwhelmed by everything so I have to retreat. If you are there marionk , I would like to ask you, in the Myers Briggs System, where you would place yourself on the S-N spectrum.. You talk about being able to look at things and work out what to do. That is a great skill. I only came across the name for the first time a couple of days ago, so no idea what it is. I'll have a look later, I'll leave this page up as a cue. I found out a couple of hours ago that my card details have been used fraudulently, and that was just after an appointment to fill in the DSS form, so I'm a bit freaked out right now, and still got a couple of things to do in relation to the fraud. Thank goodness for Ritalin, or I'd be a sobbing heap by now!
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Post by contrarymary on May 9, 2016 15:55:45 GMT
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Post by ananse on May 9, 2016 18:13:12 GMT
I'm INTP, only 30-something% Intuitive apparently. But that's probably because a lot of the questions were subjective, and I didn't feel comfortable clicking yes or no, when my answer would vary depending on the situation. (It pegged me as pedantic, and I can't exactly deny it). INTP and pedantic... Impressive!
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Post by marionk on May 9, 2016 18:21:10 GMT
Somewhat burnt out now, and the questionnaire is makeing me go whaaa?? I mean, how am I supposed to know how other people see me? A lot of the questions are for ppl in high powered jobs, like how do you like to start a meeting?, when I don't even know what actually happens in 'meetings'. and then there's a bunch that are like "I sometimes think about things too long, rather than just jumping right into a project." How long is too long? I like to do my research first, you can't even start without knowing at least something of what you are trying to do, and I like to skip actually doing the beginner stuff and jump in at intermediate level, so I actually save a lot of time by working it out in detail before hand. So while I spend ages thinking about things, I end up impressing ppl by how fantastic my first attempts are. So many others are dependent on precise circumstances, I'm really not liking this version at all. Is this one the same thing? I came out as INTP-T with the P and last T being the only ones significantly far from 50% And I do wonder what I might come out as if I do it again now.
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Post by ananse on May 9, 2016 19:09:43 GMT
What does the last T stand for??
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Post by marionk on May 9, 2016 19:47:36 GMT
I'm INTP, only 30-something% Intuitive apparently. But that's probably because a lot of the questions were subjective, and I didn't feel comfortable clicking yes or no, when my answer would vary depending on the situation. (It pegged me as pedantic, and I can't exactly deny it). INTP and pedantic... Impressive! I should have come out as pedantic but haven't, and I'm more feeling than the summary says. The second T is for turbulent, which got quite a high percentage, and I don't see why. All in all INTP fits me very well, but the second test was way off, INFP with I,N and F at the extreme end of the scale and P being near centre. For one change of letter there seems to be an astonishing amount of non correlation-in the description, so I'm wondering if one of the other letters is 'wrong' too.
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