Post by easilydistracted on Sept 6, 2016 23:50:32 GMT
I don't disagree
But...
The people who recieve benefits are, by definition, not the ones that have to pay for it. The ones that have to pay for it are the ones that don't recieve benefits.
Two problems, problem 2 making problem 1 more difficult...
Problem 1, making those who will have to pay want to pay, this is an appeal to the heart an appeal to their sense of fairness and common decency.
Problem 2, creating an un-gameable system. Every system will have loopholes, those loopholes can be fallen through and folk left without or gamed and exploited for unfair gain, This is a game of tug of war. In order to close the loopholes that some fall through exploits will be created, close the exploits and folk fall through. Try to create a system with neither loopholes or exploits and you end up with a system so bureaucratic and intrusive it offends all for its cost and invasion of civil liberties.
So there is no way to help everyone that needs without completely alienating those who have to pay for it, and this simple truth seems beyond those of the far left, they are so far off they haven't a hope in hell of ever being elected and so actually end up helping no-one at all. Which incidently is what those on the far right want, they actually don't want to help anyone at all, I'm all right Jack!
So it comes down to mosts, the best that's ever going to be achieved is to help most of the people that need help.
The ones to the left need their heads examined, the ones to the right their soul.
And that's just the ones with principles, flawed or otherwise.
Then there's all the ones you mention, while they might have had principles during their student days they've had their heads turned by the gravy train and are now in it just for themselves with principles so diluted by self interest as to be meaningless.
But as we've also seen, the electorate are nothing to sing and dance about either. With tribal voting,a shocking lack of curiosity and knowledge of current affairs they reward a press that reinforces their biases rather than challenging them.
We don't have a hope, nor as it stands do we deserve one.
But...
The people who recieve benefits are, by definition, not the ones that have to pay for it. The ones that have to pay for it are the ones that don't recieve benefits.
Two problems, problem 2 making problem 1 more difficult...
Problem 1, making those who will have to pay want to pay, this is an appeal to the heart an appeal to their sense of fairness and common decency.
Problem 2, creating an un-gameable system. Every system will have loopholes, those loopholes can be fallen through and folk left without or gamed and exploited for unfair gain, This is a game of tug of war. In order to close the loopholes that some fall through exploits will be created, close the exploits and folk fall through. Try to create a system with neither loopholes or exploits and you end up with a system so bureaucratic and intrusive it offends all for its cost and invasion of civil liberties.
So there is no way to help everyone that needs without completely alienating those who have to pay for it, and this simple truth seems beyond those of the far left, they are so far off they haven't a hope in hell of ever being elected and so actually end up helping no-one at all. Which incidently is what those on the far right want, they actually don't want to help anyone at all, I'm all right Jack!
So it comes down to mosts, the best that's ever going to be achieved is to help most of the people that need help.
The ones to the left need their heads examined, the ones to the right their soul.
And that's just the ones with principles, flawed or otherwise.
Then there's all the ones you mention, while they might have had principles during their student days they've had their heads turned by the gravy train and are now in it just for themselves with principles so diluted by self interest as to be meaningless.
But as we've also seen, the electorate are nothing to sing and dance about either. With tribal voting,a shocking lack of curiosity and knowledge of current affairs they reward a press that reinforces their biases rather than challenging them.
We don't have a hope, nor as it stands do we deserve one.