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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Oct 6, 2009 7:54:24 GMT
From the extensive research I've been doing & the tests I've now had in hospital, I would say : Anyone with Symptoms of ADHD would be wise to consider Adrenal / Thyroid Function as a possible cause. A Barnes Basal Temperature test can give you a quick indication. Take a good quality, accurate Thermometer & take your RESTED temp, IE, on waking, still lying in bed (before Shower or Food). If your Temp is Below 97.8 F, that's a pretty good indicator of Under Active Thyroid. Worth a read : www.amazon.co.uk/Your-Thyroid-How-Keep-Healthy/dp/190514010X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254818535&sr=8-1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2009 8:38:09 GMT
Nice one this is in my family so i do need to check up on.
but the link just takes you to amazon
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Oct 6, 2009 8:45:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2009 16:38:32 GMT
What does concern me is this:
15 of 34 people found the following review helpful: Dangerously bad science, 8 April 2009 By Dr Barbour (uk) - See all my reviews
I read this on the recommendations of a patient of mine. While I sympathise with many sufferers of thyroid disorders, and agree that current treatment is at times sub-standard, this book is un-objective, sensationalist and at times ludicrous. Dr D-P's claims that his nutritionalists can cure breast cancer and all manner of other ailments is unfounded, and cruel. This is a prime example of bad science, and I fear this book is being used to exploit patients.
But thanks for reminding me about i need to look into just had a test for celiacs, camera in stomache not pleasant while awake especially on my meds. And the results have come back and dont indercate wether or not i have condition bunch of usless ........
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Oct 6, 2009 18:02:55 GMT
What does concern me is this: 15 of 34 people found the following review helpful: Dangerously bad science, 8 April 2009 By Dr Barbour (uk) - See all my reviews I read this on the recommendations of a patient of mine. While I sympathise with many sufferers of thyroid disorders, and agree that current treatment is at times sub-standard, this book is un-objective, sensationalist and at times ludicrous. Dr D-P's claims that his nutritionalists can cure breast cancer and all manner of other ailments is unfounded, and cruel. This is a prime example of bad science, and I fear this book is being used to exploit patients. But thanks for reminding me about i need to look into just had a test for celiacs, camera in stomache not pleasant while awake especially on my meds. And the results have come back and dont indercate wether or not i have condition bunch of usless ........ If you're going to challenge a system run by & on behalf of the pharma companies, then you're going to be attacked. I didn't feel "exploited" when I read it. It's very well written & to the point. I feel more exploited by the fact I only just noticed that my TSH, tested back in January, is WAY above what would be treated in USA or Europe. My GP told me my tests were "Normal". Probably something to do with the fact the Pharma companies want us all pidgeon holed into the few ailments they invested money in. The same pharma companies who induce GPs to peddle their pills & hit targets. Now I know the truth about TSH levels & have seen my rested body temp is sub 97.8f, I'm finally getting somewhere. I ditched Concerta months ago Btw. Anyway, good luck if you choose to try the Temperature test. it only takes a minute.
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Post by andy12345 on Oct 6, 2009 18:46:17 GMT
I do agree with Mr. NW on his first line response regarding pharma.
As I have said somewhere before, there are plenty of conflicts when money or an ideal is involved.
You only have to look to see how often wikipedia is "vandalised". It will always be on controversial, commercially potentiated (is that even english?) topics or strong beliefs, namely religion etc.
You can't rely on any health professional 100%, (don't know about private services) you still have to do some research, but it's not always possible to avoid an element of conflict with one's own doctor's, as we all know on here....
Also, the differing TSH and T4 thyroid levels worldwide are a bit strange.......o.O aren't american, chinese, black, new zealand etc people all the same, genetic differences notwithstanding?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2009 21:15:13 GMT
Cheers guys still none the wiser thats the problem who's views do you trust there is so much today that is lies lies lies.
Information Hunger
A decade ago in pursuit of an understanding of power plays I became interested in propaganda. At first it seemed that propaganda is simply a conspiracy by some to brainwash an innocent population. But it soon became clear that people weren't passive victims of propaganda but actually sought out propaganda and welcomed it, and if it wasn’t available manufactured it themselves. Just as in the case of food, where people prefer junk food to the nutritious choice and in the case of strokes, where harmful games are played instead of obtaining positive strokes, people will accept and seek misinformation and disinformation-- info-junk in other words--and come to prefer it to the truthful, valid alternative. In each one of these cases there is an abiding hunger, which will cause people to accept and eventually seek the toxic substitution for the real thing.
I am postulating that if the stimulation hunger urge is the precursor of recognition hunger and stroke hunger then the precursor of all three is information hunger. Information is the fundamental need that drives not only people but also all living organisms. Thus I am broadening Berne's notion of stimulus hunger to include the notion of "information hunger."
Most people think of information as 411 on the telephone dial but to clearly understand what information is we have to go to the field of cybernetics, where information has been defined by mathematicians (Shannon and Weaver, pg 12-13) as a means of reduction of uncertainty or in even more technical terms as a reduction of entropy; entropy being a measure of the level of disorganization in any part of the universe. In this sense, information or meaning serves to reverse the normal decay and disorganization, which is an inevitable process in nature. Information acts at all levels of life to counteract decay; at the human level, information is a gathering together, a process of concentration of the powers of the person; information works against the dissolution of mental capacities which occurs in its absence. The production and consumption of information is a fundamental function of human life, just like the production and consumption of oxygen is a fundamental function of plant life. Information fuels mental life; without it, psychological brain death is certain. Info-junk, (mis and disinformation) is the toxic version of information and (as in the case of negative strokes) while it quells the hunger and prevents brain death, it disrupts and disorganizes mental and emotional life.
Strokes and Information
In developing the theory of the Stroke Economy I proposed that most people are in a perpetual state of stroke hunger as a result of a restrictive economy of strokes. I noted that positive strokes, that is, loving transactions or in general love, are scarce due to an economy of strokes which prevents people from freely giving others or oneself, asking for and accepting strokes we want or even rejecting strokes we don’t want. We prefer positive strokes but will accept negative strokes, which are plentiful, in their place. On the other hand, strokes have become a commodity that can be bought, sold, traded, bartered, accumulated and monopolized. Interestingly, what can be said for strokes can also be said for information: we hunger for information, will accept and even seek toxic information in the absence of useful or constructive information and there is an Information Economy in which information has become a commodity. The result is that some people are info-rich and others are info-poor but most are chronically hungry for information while consuming large quantities of info-junk.
Strokes do not only fulfill the biological need for love but they also feed the need for information. They are in fact tightly packaged, powerful bundles of information about ourselves. Stimulation hunger, stroke hunger, structure hunger and the hunger for existential meaning are, in my opinion, all successively more complex forms of information. Thus, when we seek strokes, or structure or meaning we are seeking information in increasingly human, symbolic form. ;D
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Post by andy12345 on Oct 7, 2009 0:15:10 GMT
Wow, safensound, is that your final opinion... I think that adders can suffer information overload..............bang There is also a massive amount of news flood everywhere. News news news, whether its really important or not, its just a load of flannel mostly. I used to hit about 40 links with daily mail almost every day.......its just too much too handle. I am a cured link addict.
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Oct 7, 2009 9:49:19 GMT
Thank you Dr Claude Steiner, PhD It's not a bad thing to be hungry for information, as long as we use logic & cross ref, seek proof & make our own minds up based on evidence. I was diagnosed ADHD. I've certainly had all the traits since childhood. I used the Concerta, it made me feel great for a few weeks. Then I realised that most of the syptoms I really wanted to get rid of (Fatigue, Procrastination, Lethargy) were still there, I just cared about them a bit less. My search took me to Testosterone Deficiency, got tested, found to be Low (& I'm not what you would suspect as Low T), got TestoGel treatment, felt better than I have for 20 years!!!! In all the blood tests I've had, discovered my TSH was 3.87 miu/L. Now that was passed off as "Normal" by my GP. I now know it's FAR from normal. Any other country than UK, I'd be getting treated. I had some tests in hospital last week, ITT, GNRH & TRH, so I'm waiting on those results. Been taking Temperatures last few days & sad to say that my 2 kids are both under temp (well, I say sad, in another way I'm very happy to save them the years of suffering I've had). My 17yo daughter just had blood tests for suspected Reynauds disease, as she's always cold. Looks like we have a good dose of hereditary Hypothyroid. I'm certainly looking forward to trying Armour Thyroid. I only post this here for Info. In case someone reads it & finds they have this too. It's not an attempt to cast any doubt over ADHD.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 13:27:15 GMT
well done for posting NorthWest!... it's great to offer people more than one option!
-by the way, what is Armour Thyroid?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 14:13:22 GMT
North west
Its all very interesting stuff that quote was just somthing i read and thought was interesting its not that am like comming down on your post i think its great and glad u did as sounds like me and glad someone else knows more than me and has saved me the work that probably might not have even done.
So basicly my quote was just somethink generally i am finding interesting and bit off topic, but related to how so much tripe around and how we all need to look at what information we take in.
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Oct 7, 2009 18:24:39 GMT
well done for posting NorthWest!... it's great to offer people more than one option! -by the way, what is Armour Thyroid? -m Thanks Matt Armour Thyroid is medication for Hypothyroid. NHS use Thyroxin, which is synthetic & only works for some. Armour is made from Chelated pig's thyroid, mmmm yummy & many sufferers swear by it. Many purchase it privately as they can't get it on NHS. North west Its all very interesting stuff that quote was just somthing i read and thought was interesting its not that am like comming down on your post i think its great and glad u did as sounds like me and glad someone else knows more than me and has saved me the work that probably might not have even done. So basicly my quote was just somethink generally i am finding interesting and bit off topic, but related to how so much tripe around and how we all need to look at what information we take in. Hey, i didn't think you were having a go! I don't know more than anyone. Just doing my best to find out what's been up with me & support my family. Have to say I think I'm finally there!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 22:20:09 GMT
Just took my temp and am 36.6 C in ear but thats avarage so gona monitor with this diggy termoscan see whats what.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 0:00:06 GMT
i've got a digi thermometer, so i'm def gonna check myself out tomorrow morning (if i remember!) -I don't think i have any thyroid probems, i've had my ADHD symptoms all my life. but it would still be interesting to check! i've read that up-the-bum is the most reliable way to take your temperature ;D and i don't fancy that much! So i think i'll just stick to the 'normal' method!... but who know's, maybe i'll be feeling adventurous!
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Post by boo on Oct 8, 2009 0:28:42 GMT
with or without the pinnie and ummmmm......... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 1:22:38 GMT
hahahaha, ;D
Well as Plato once said, don't knock it 'till you've tried it!...
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Oct 8, 2009 7:00:50 GMT
i've read that up-the-bum is the most reliable way to take your temperature ;D and i don't fancy that much! So i think i'll just stick to the 'normal' method!... but who know's, maybe i'll be feeling adventurous! -m Ah now I had a top tip about that. If you're going to use the same thermometer in your bum & mouth, it's best to do one before the other. I just can't remember which? Btw Matt, this IS a Hereditary condition, so don't discount it on that basis. I was a classic case from day one too.
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Post by boo on Oct 8, 2009 8:05:21 GMT
Ah now I had a top tip about that. If you're going to use the same thermometer in your bum & mouth, it's best to do one before the other. I just can't remember which? hahaha, hmmm, depends, i mean alot of people i know talk through their arse anyway, so it wouldnt matter ;D
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Post by roland on Oct 8, 2009 8:52:55 GMT
LMAO! You guys crack me up ;D
Sorry I know it's juvenile but . . . . ;D
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Post by boo on Oct 8, 2009 10:01:07 GMT
;D haha nothing wrong with a bit of juvenile
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Post by laura on Oct 8, 2009 13:24:54 GMT
;D i love juvenality (?) ;D
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Oct 8, 2009 16:20:26 GMT
Sorry, it's gone. Just have to suck it & see
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 19:44:54 GMT
uurrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!......
you guys are sickos!... i'm telling my mum of you! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 20:17:28 GMT
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Post by andy12345 on Oct 11, 2009 11:00:44 GMT
Oops a bit late here. This thread just sort of exploded, amazing.
Nice link Safensound.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 14:02:34 GMT
Andy
is that because you were doing things with thermometers you shouldnt have been LOL!
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Post by andy12345 on Oct 11, 2009 14:57:00 GMT
I have not been near a body temp thermometer for years. I have a 24/7 in/out (oh god .......inside the house/outside the house) Thermometer which is great for learning the reality of temperatures etc, instead of hearing people say, omg its freezing outside when its actually 8 Celsius with a wind speed of about 10mph. BRrrrrr. not looking forward to that weather.
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Oct 12, 2009 8:08:15 GMT
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Post by Mouse on Oct 12, 2009 14:32:09 GMT
worse than normal today so having difficulty following the thread - so have I understood correctly OP is saying that symptoms may be caused by hypothyroid condtion and not adhd?
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Oct 12, 2009 14:58:45 GMT
worse than normal today so having difficulty following the thread - so have I understood correctly OP is saying that symptoms may be caused by hypothyroid condtion and not adhd? Well from what I am understanding, there is a suggestion that ADHD is or can be caused by Thyroid issues. This would stack up in my own experience. I've been diagnosed ADHD, now I find I'm being diagnosed with other Pituitary/Hypothalamus related conditions. From what I've learned I would say to anyone with ADHD, get your Thyroid checked. - Look for Thyroid issues in the family - Ask the GP for a blood test, incl : - TSH - T3 - T4 - Antibodies (Very important!!!) Get the results / Don't accept the GP's evaluation, the UK Ref Ranges are WAY out of step with the rest of the world!! Check them out with www.tpa-uk.org.uk
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