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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 14:38:22 GMT
does anybody know if there is a link between ADHD in adults and bipolar because i have adhd but recently have had very bad mood swings one minute am acting like a big kid very hyper days later spend all day in bed crying it affects my life so much i have my wife and kids but not one singal friend at all want to be remedicated but suffer from high blood pressure so am on lots of tablets for this which may cause issues. Was bullied all my life and now feel my life is bad and useless but tommorrow may feel happy again lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 15:00:41 GMT
From what I have researched, yes there is a link.. Aparantly a proportion (20/25% I think) of ADHD children could later develop bipolar disorder. But, not all mood swings are bipolar and bipolar is often much more than simple mood swings. Granted, it is a spectrum disorder, so symptoms can be mild, but this then makes it harder to differentiate between other causes (ADHD appears to cause mood swings in itself).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 20:38:23 GMT
wish my family could read this my mood swings terrible yesterday spent most of it crying and stressing to mom and partner etc, today im on a high. Its very hard to control. Im hoping when pyschi starts me on atamoxtine next week it helps.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2009 10:03:40 GMT
I suffer from terrible mood swings, makes life very difficult for family. My birth mother was bi-polar, & i believe there are genetic links. I'm terrified for my adhd dd. Her moods are horrendous; much worse than i was as a young child, i can see where its leading. I think we all vary in severity of our mood swings with adhd but it is certainly a huge part of the illness.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2009 17:37:24 GMT
Mood swings are a big part of who I am. 90% of the time I am quite a jolly person but I swing to and fro quite rapidly. I had a period of thinking I was bipolar as well but who knows I wouldnt say I ever hit extremes though but its still a pain in the arse
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Post by twix on Dec 30, 2009 17:45:48 GMT
I think its quite normal for us to feel like this and swing between extreme moods, I don't think it usually means its bipolar just looks the same in some ways. If you are worried ask a mental health worker cause I'm not a doctor, but anyway you are not on your own being like this.
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Post by andy12345 on Dec 30, 2009 18:00:45 GMT
MOOD SWINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO THE £$"£$" SAID THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I DO NOT SUFFER MOOD SWINGS IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
OH, where was I.
I can detect angry people from their door, cupboard slamming noises and patterns.
At the moment, my mum is in what I call an ADHD strop, probably for things that are solely in her mind........you know how it goes...
I have come to realise that in all the years I have known her, I have never really been able to make a point to her because of "flying off the handle syndrome"
Whenever I try to make the point about her reaction it's just a waste of time for 2 reasons.
1) Her 2) me 3) LOL!!!!!!
It's really quite irritating.
Premature Presumption is 90% of my problem as is hyper-sensitivity to comments made about me.
I am currently unclassified lol, but I feel strongly that I have ADHD. Given more years of research it will be easier to classify I hope.
Adding bipolar, ASD and more must be truly a disaster for living.
I think I need to hit some alternative meds................. o.O
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2009 21:50:30 GMT
i am defailtely on eof you.....
i have terrible issues with not managing my moods. weirdly in work i'm all good but i will get totally pissed to hide my depression with my family (which has its own set of problrms)
i still can't sleep without a "happy" podcast as otherwise i descend into sitting there in the dark wishing it could all be 'just so'
i've never been bullied cos my reaction was quick and funny (way quicker and funny than the slow hard f**ckers could keep up with) and i was was always been the life and soul of the party (or so i thought) but it turns out that actually most of them just felt sorry for me as i always felt lost.
bipolar and adhd skips me from a to X 1/2 not quite to z and i'm only just learning that everyone else was aware. your kids, your wife and all your friends already know it, be honest with them and you'll work it out.
my only suggestion...... bear in mind that im bloody rubbish !
best of luck,
steve.
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Post by phil on Jan 3, 2010 2:44:14 GMT
Hi folks this is my first ever post I have been diagnosed with having "Bipolar Disorder" by one psychatrist "cyclothymic disorder" by another! cyclothymia and B.A.D are related they run in family's and theres a 50% chance of passing on a related schizo affective disorder on so in laymans terms there would be someone in the family with serious mental health problems. swings in mood is a symptom yes but you're talking a period of roughly 28 days per cycle a period of 28 days or so high and about an equal amount of time low. on top of this depending on type of bipolar symptoms range from delusions of grandure to psychosis. i believe i have been misdiagnosed! my mood swings happen on a daily basis, i have been in prison, and on probation. and chances are this will be a life cycle. whilst on probation i had a test done and it came back i had dyslexia! my brother has dyslexia, my niece, my son. my daughter is getting a diagnosis of A.D.H.D & A.S.D this month (depended on a hearing test) my son has a A.D.H.D diagnosis and is on Equasym XL. my other son is just going through the motions he gets hyper at night time, and has night terrors, and will cause fights with his brother although he is seldom the victor in these daily battles. the chances of having bipolar disorder are slim to none the chances of having A.A.D.H.D is 60-90%
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Post by andy12345 on Jan 3, 2010 3:31:49 GMT
Ben 84, Just listening to someone on the phone =once= for about 1 hour, hearing her problems and her daughters, put me into a whole screwed up sleep phase for about 6 days......... It too far longer to get to sleep; I was sleeping more and it was a nightmare.. I was in a daze, just from a 1 hour convo? Phil, I had to read your post about 7 times before I noticed your mood swings are like the weather pattern.. constantly subject to fluctuation. Basically, you are on the old roller coaster ride eh? Up and down, round and round, where you stop, nobody knows and neither do you.. Differential diagnosis is certainly important but If you don't ever get the classic symptoms of the manic phase of bipolar, then theoretically you must be non-bipolar and non-cyclothymic. I suppose really cyclothymia should be named bipolar type 3 with possibility of dysthymia with a subtype of atypical depression. What's your general day to day mood like, when you are considered er....."happy"? any mention of dysthymia? Also, the important thing is that the mania usually causes long periods of alertness with no sleep, days, maybe a week, is it longer arghhhhh? JUst some stuff from wiki on mania, hypomania etc. Mania varies in intensity, from mild mania (known as hypomania) to full-blown psychotic features including hallucinations and delusions Because mania frequently encourages high energy and decreased perception of need or ability to sleep, within a few days of a manic cycle, sleep-deprived psychosis may appear, People in hypomanic episodes do not have delusions or hallucinations. They do not lose touch with reality in the sense that they know who they are and what is real. customize.org/groups/topic/3753So, also, some one may have eyes open, but could technically be sleeping lol...... scary.
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Post by phil on Jan 3, 2010 15:44:53 GMT
Andy: I don't have delusions. but i do have hallucinations as a precurser to rage and or violence where i'm under emense stress. as for hypomania i do get hypomania usually over short periods maybe a few days at most, but sometimes i go hypermanic for say a week and i will have thoughts of suicide. i don't get a voice in the ear (common bipolar trait) it's more in the way of the only rational way to control this! my neuropsychiatrist's explanation is because i'm mental! i also have controlled epilepsy so i can't be medicated. with antidepressants i was told i was so high if i was to have anti depressants i would hit the roof! lithium causes Epilepsy as a side effect. i have found alcohal helps me get things done and was told that it was working as a stimulant! but i can't drink for the rest of my life. what i'm finding hard to fathom is how is there no genetical proof in my family history of B.P yet my children as showing up as A.D.H.D. and this just did'nt happen over night things have been going on since childhood!
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Post by andy12345 on Jan 3, 2010 16:55:40 GMT
So, therefore, you are heading towards definitely having symptoms of bipolar type 1 or 2, surely, as cyclothymia diagnosis is given, according to US DSM, if no (hyper)mania has occurred. (well, you should read this link below) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyclothymiaSo, for bipolar you need mood stabilisers. For epilepsy, you need anticonvulsants I was looking and I noticed that one of the anticonvulsants klonopin, actually can be used for mania control as well as for the epilepsy. I presume that some of the others are used for this as well? Does this mean that they have a strong link somehow? Maybe you have ADHD, with its strong tendency of a reactive personality, paper-thin skin (as opposed to thick-skinned) and also bipolar but it's hard to seperate them unless people pay attention to your cycles? The ADHD is usually linked as a cause of depression and anxiety as well. Alcohol affects GABA levels in the brain, as do other drugs. If you know about GABA, you would know that it is a synaptic/neuro-thingy(the details!) THROTTLE , as the drug raises the GABA levels, the brain synchronises more effectively, more efficiently, due to the clamping down effects. If you clamp down with too much drug, brain death will occur, although you probably need quite a lot for that. If you find a sweet spot of alcoholic consumption, you would probably feel more in control, in a way, but at a cost to your body's organs. You and your family really need to start studying, if you have not already, and work with the professionals and the medicines to see what the best combinations could be. Just another link about the co existence of bipolar and epilepsy. www.epilepsy.com/discussion/976335thesecretlifeofamanicdepressive.wordpress.com/2007/08/06/is-bipolar-disorder-a-form-of-epilepsy/Ps, I also have a 5 page file in my signature (you can't miss it lol) about chemical imbalance in the brain. It's a bit old now, but I think it's quite interesting. (only my opinion, of course)
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Post by phil on Jan 4, 2010 2:09:31 GMT
Andy: The drug I take Neurontin Gabapentin for my Epilepsy is used as a mood stablizer for bipolar there was a time they where trying to convince me it was "side effects from taking neurontin" but i was like this when i was off meds completely. as for depression i'm in the dark how do you define it? i don't cry, my life is in more of a mess due to the up's rather than the downs. my suicidal thinking comes about from being hypomanic. i don't get depressed or if i do it's more subtle than the high side! you've heared of the saying a split personality banded about- I get times when i just dont give a toss i don't care about anything no fears at all. I get times where i'm fearful to walk passed a gang of 13 year olds in the street incase they attack me. I suffer bad with inattention, my wife will ask me to do somthing. it's not registered and she'll ask me what did i just tell you to do? this causes rows all the time, i don't know what she said to me or asked me to do? but i will try to blag it and guess what she asked some times it pays off others it causes bigger rows. my short term memory is gone but my long term memory is pretty good. i can recall things from furthur back better than i can my imidiate memory. Sleep has a major factor with respect to the way i am i perform funtion better on less sleep. the more sleep i have the less i am with it. i get stuck for words, i feel i can't think straight, i don't want to engage verbally, and i stammer. another thing which is odd in bipolar it is said that exercise is good for it but i would swear on a stack of bibles and say that exercise will give me hypomania where i can't sleep. still on the subject of sleep in the passed my wife has dug her nails in my arm to try and wake me as i was snoring once i'm out i'm out. she reckons one minute i'm snoring the house down the next i stop breathing completely she nags the hell out of me to do see the doctor! i tell her i wake up alive so whats the problem! my wife calls me Arf job bob the reason for this is shes from London! but she says i'll start things and never get them finished. another thing that really just bugs me to death is doing things on the hop! like having to go somewhere fast not having prior knowlage that i needed to drop someone somewheres example. i spend money impusively, on rubbish. or steal for the same buzz i find it hard to manage money and i'm racking up bills! i hate queing up, or waiting rooms. i hate strangers around me and i can meet new aquantances but i need to spend a lot of time around them before i'm truely comfortable in there presance i get irritable a lot and small things really Pee me off. people would discribe me as having a bad attitude (it's the way i look at everyone) i get off on winding people up i say things just blurt them out then think F*** why did i say that it makes me sound like a right t*t, or i say things that are really insensitive but i did'nt mean it to come across that way.<cringe> My original diagnosis of bipolar is on thin ice and if you knew how this all came about you would think i'm some kind of nut job! my second diagnosis of cyclothmia came about because i'd taken class A's on a night out and the DSMV states that in order to diagnose bipolar 1 & 2 you must be drug free for two years!
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Post by andy12345 on Jan 4, 2010 2:46:24 GMT
A lot of what you say, sounds like ADHD and some of it bipolar spectrum and maybe both ........ Still, at least you can get advice from everyone.................... blogs.psychcentral.com/bipolar/2008/10/bipolar-disorder-medication-spotlight-neurontin-gabapentin/www.rxlist.com/script/main/rxlist_view_comments.asp?drug=neurontin&questionid=fdb8217_pidTo be honest, after reading about ADHD on and off for 6 years and bi polar 1 year on and off (more off than on really) and having studied many other conditions, on my own quest of mental peace, nothing you say would surprise me.. Awkward comments, trying to be a smartarse, funny guy it works sometimes.............hehehe Depression has various levels as far as I know to date. It's how the person is affected by it that matters. It's like opening a can of worms really. ADHD itself has much potential for depression/anxiety. I suppose the epilepsy meds could have reduced your theoretical bipolar effects or stopped them happening sometimes or even stopped some of the symptoms occurring. I am guessing totally, unfortunately. Would you say that you are basically akward, antagonistic, a dry sense of humour (I presume you have one lol) get on your high horse occasionally, misunderstand what people are saying, have a problem with diplomacy, would rather go in feet first than talking?. Basically, your family probably think you are a bit of a major pain in the ass. Does any of this sound familiar Anyway, are you looking for an ADHD diagnosis anyway in the future as well?
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Post by phil on Jan 4, 2010 4:54:29 GMT
that somes it up lol. heres part of a letter i wrote I’m not a nut job making up conspiracy theories wilst at that smelly hospital I witnessed-
A 13 year old girl called ***, she confided in me that she had been raped. She shouldn’t have been in an adult astablishment in the first place. She had some dirty old pervert called *** following her around ogling her chest. Although I was quite physically wrecked on the mixture of neurontin, deprakote, and valium they did not kosh my head and I was thinking of giving this nonce a slap in a quiet corner. The staff acted quite oblivious to this. Not once but twice I had to notify staff that *** a guy from *** town had escaped from the hospital. This bloke was on so called suicide watch!
On the Friday I left the hospital I was on my way to get my meds A N/A called *** said Dr *** needs to see you now, I said o.k let me just get my meds. She said that can wait Dr *** needs to see you now and I was taken to a room with a partition with tinted windows and a door, *** was sat at a desk holding a solicitors letter in his hand saying that he had to get things sorted out. He proceeded to give me a six hour Taliban style interrorgation when he had finished my head was pulsing. After leaving the hospital I was none the wiser what his intentions where? And for a while I truly believed he was trying to provoke a seizure. But then at my care plan meeting something strange happened Dr *** asked me how had I been? I told him I had suicidal thoughts over the weekend! He then said well you have seen things maybe you shouldn’t have seen? Was that a confession? I saw my occupational therapest *** and she let slip that *** had a heart attack just after my care plan meeting. Could guilt have brought this on? I can’t say or do anything about the way they treated me because they will always have an excuse. Ie; if I where to say that Dr *** said he would play devils advocate and say I had bipolar I would get probation-
They could say that they where testing my reactions offering me a golden ticket to see if I snap it up or give a tell! My reaction was I don’t wan’t F***ing probation. I was already on probation and it stressed me out enough.
*** during my grilling kept asking if I had delusions of grandeur? And he would be watching his watch and only stopping the grilling to nip into the partition with the tinted windows?
Could have he been nipping in there to change the video tapes?
My theory was he was taping me and trying to get me to say I delusions/ delusions of grandure on tape as if I went to the newspapers or tried suing them in there defence they could show them a snippet of tape me ammiting I had delusions then who would believe me!
Another thing that really pissed me off is them saying that I was free to leave the hospital at any time I was not sectioned.
Yet every time I tried to leave I was denied. I was only supposed to be in there for a week it ended up being two!
So in theory I was kidnapped but would the police do anything about that? Would they f*** but it would be a different kettle of fish if I where to keep Dr *** in the boot of a car for a forthnight!
On the last meeting I had at *** on the *th of December 2009, I had a notion of keeping these c****** Doctors hostage. In hinesight I would have ended up in Broadmoor but at least they would have found out what was up with me.
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Jan 5, 2010 11:14:16 GMT
This Canadian company have come up with an all natural cure for Bipolar, which they claim treats ADHD too. www.truehope.com/default.aspxIt's called EMPowerplus. It appears to have had some good success & is currently going through clinical trials.
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Post by phil on Jan 5, 2010 15:29:47 GMT
Adult, did you catch this? www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/this herbal stuff is dodgy and it works great with the placeo effect if you're a psychosamatic! the only herbal thing i have ever taken to be any benifit to me at all was ginko bilopa! and this only aided my memory for short periods of time! i made a potion totally natural from things out my back yard ranging from grass to dog sh*t anyone feel like doing some rescearch?
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Post by adultmalenorthwest on Jan 6, 2010 13:35:06 GMT
Hi Phil
You have to understand that any company or individual who brings a product which threatens the profits of big pharma, can expect dirty tricks.
I wouldn't describe this as "herbal". If you look at the ingredients, it's more Vitamins & Minerals. Deficiency in those can seriously effect the body & brain!
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Post by edith on Jan 8, 2010 14:46:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2010 17:57:14 GMT
Edith, classic. Gotta love a nigerian style email scam response, because that's what most of these so called miracle cures are; scams.
Adult, while I agree that 'Big Pharma' (as you daintly put it) have problems, if these products were effective they'd market them themselves. Also, I note you use the naturalistic fallacy, that you imply that all is natural is good. Most medicines are derived from nature and are improved upon, surely that's better.
I read through the evidence on the website, which hasn't tested EMPowerPlus, but the effects of nutrients on bipolar sufferers. Really, all that can be said is that people with bipolar should be on a healthy diet which will help prevent mood swings, and it's by no means a cure. It doesn't mean that people should spend $74 on EMPowerPlus. Looking at the ingredients, it's pretty much your bog standard vitamin pill, but with an exorbitant price!
Perhaps if the evidence was actually for EMPowerPlus using a double blind trial, then I'd be interested, but a priori we know that it's unlikely to be anything special as it's just a vitamin pill!
I don't comment often on these boards, but I don't like snake oil!
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Post by phil on Feb 9, 2010 20:26:26 GMT
Adult, Pizer are even in trouble for making claims that neurontin are benificial for bipolar disorder! and it's not the first time either they have been in a similer situation with another drug! bipolar disorder is a mental health condition, they have found that eating chicken legs can be benifitial as it releases seratonin! things change all the time by next week some scientist could come up with eating chicking legs is bad for you?
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