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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2010 18:30:15 GMT
I dont know what to do? Im so confussed. Ive been on atamoxtine for just over two weeks and I feel calmer and my mind seems sharper. :(BUT the down side is I feel really sick all day till about 5.00pm and have a taste of cream in my mouth. I could have anti sickness tablets from gp but they make you drowsy, which goes against what the atamoxtine does. Help, should i just put up with feeling sick for rest of life?, cause my mind is better, ? its good for diet I have no desire to eat till about 8pm and dont crave anything. ?? What would you do? Please reply to me, I would really really appreciate it. Also do you have feelings of failure sometimes for under achieving? ?
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Post by Lame44 on Feb 6, 2010 19:22:26 GMT
I'd stick witht them for a while hon. I think you said before that they were making you ill, but am I right in thinking that now it's not as bad as it was when you first started them? Maybe it will pass in a few weeks more?!
As for the feelings of failure, I have thema ll the time, but I'm not on meds am I yet, so I cant say anything about that until I get the meds.
Maybe you could speak to the person who out you on the meds in a couple of weeks n see if they will change them for you!
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Post by Lame44 on Feb 6, 2010 19:23:36 GMT
Oh, n even if you dont want to eat, I'd try if I were you, coz needing food can make you feel sick so that you dont want the food, but when you've eaten you might feel ok. If that makes sense hon?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2010 19:31:38 GMT
Thanx Ryan how are you? I know its not easy for you at moment
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Post by Lame44 on Feb 6, 2010 20:07:05 GMT
Hi hon, I'm not too bad at the moment thanks. I do hope you can get this sorted with your meds.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 11:33:04 GMT
Hi Meggie,
How many mg are you on?
Sorry you are having a tricky time with atomoxetine. I've been on it for around 6 months now, and I'd say that if it's helping with ADD then hang on for a few weeks at least--some side-effects do pass: at the beginning, it made me very drowsy but that went away after 4-6 weeks. I too felt nauseous for a few weeks, and again that passed, although it sometimes still kicks in for an hour or so after I've first taken it, but settles down after that. I also get a kind of weird mini panic-attack, that lasts for around 45-60 minutes before settling down: that hasn't stopped and happens most days. I make sure I take the tablet as soon as I get up so by the time I leave for work it's over.
The taste problem hasn't gone away. I have a bad taste all the time in my mouth (a bit metallic, like the taste of a filling just after the dentist has done it). Cream doesn't strike me as too bad! I've just accepted it's something I'm going to have to put up with because the benefits are big enough to make it worthwhile. I'm beginning to not notice it so much now I'm getting used to it. But I'm thinking about buying shares in whoever makes Smints.
Depending on what your psych has started you on, you should step up to the full dose in stages. I'm on 80mg a day, and while the impact on my ADD is greater from the larger dose the side effects are not any worse.
Best of all, latest round of blood tests show it's not screwing up my liver function, which was the problem with Ritalin. A couple of other side benefits are that my GP could take over the prescription as it's not classified, and the pharmacist doesn't have to go through the whole security rigmarole that they do with Ritalin.
The not-craving thing is very interesting, as I have this too. I see it as a huge benefit. I've become much less impulsive, feel much more able to make rational choices and to direct my attention.
I suffer from quite bad depression from time to time, and having been through one episode since starting on it I would say that atomoxetine has made no difference to this either way. It wasn't any worse than previous episodes.
It's not like turning a switch, though. I've got 40+ years of habits to unlearn, and atomoxetine can only be a lever in doing that.
I've had feelings of failure/underachievement since the age of 12 and I think this is very common with ADHD. I haven't solved it yet, but I know that it's quite scripty, and not all that realistic. The best thing I've found so far is to recalibrate my ideas of success and achievement to make sure they are realistic for an intelligent middle-aged person with ADD, and that I can identify where the problems are likely to be and accept that they will just be part of my experience, and not get too wound up about it. Easier to write than to do, but for me it seems to be the right direction.
The one thing that still really screws me up both practically and mentally is losing things. It's a nightmare practically, and it makes me feel incredibly frustrated and really shitty about myself. It wastes hours of time, and turns me into a self-hating, sobbing wreck, and all the feelings of failure and under-achievement come zooming back to take their revenge. I don't know why on earth it should be this in particular, but it is.
So I'd say stick with it for a few weeks--side effects as it kicks in are are a recognised part of the atomoxetine experience and some of them do pass. But in the end we all make our personal trade-offs--for me it's worth a lot of physical discomfort to feel calmer and more in control.
Best of luck, and I very much hope it works for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 19:53:30 GMT
Hi Hugh thanx ever so much for the advice im on 40mg atamoxtine and 100mg sertaline, but i think the atamoxtine dose will increase hopfully. I am starting to feel benifits already. Im gonna try and looka t things differently and not judge myself as a person for the job i do, and be more satisfied with what ive got rather than aspiring to high and falling down again I cant face that again had to many years of this. I just need to get more settled. You have given me hope for the future.
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Post by Lame44 on Feb 7, 2010 20:30:40 GMT
I'm glad Hugh has given you hope hon, we could all do with some of that I sure hope things even out for you soon with the meds, aswel as other things. You are a nice person hon, and dont deserve any shit of anyone, let alone having ADHD!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 21:42:49 GMT
Hi Meggie,
So glad it helped. What you are capable of and what you want will probably change anyway when you are more in control of your ADD, and giving yourself the space and time to do that without other pressures is important. Who knows what you will want to do and feel able to do when things change? Living a good life is not all about outward achievement--a hell of a lot of it is about kindness (which I can see you are from the support you offer to others and the warm response you get from them), being open to new experiences, learning, communicating, and all sorts of other things that ADD doesn't stop one doing. Having a "good" job isn't be all and end all it sometimes seems. Having the "right" job is a lot better. Might help to think about it as aspiring to a different thing, not a lower or or higher one.
Just wanted to say that if the nausea goes on it might be worth checking any interactions with sertraline, just in case. I take citalopram, which is a similar SSRI, with no apparent interactions.
Having patience is hard when you've got ADD, but it's all we can do, even when it hurts like hell. My Dad has this saying which I like "nothing matters very much, and most things don't matter at all". That helps me when I'm winding myself up about something. Oh, and he's 92 and still fully independent and in charge of all his own brain cells, so there may be something in it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 10:06:34 GMT
Thank you Ryan and hugh you both are so very kind, for responding to my threads and giving me hope as well as calming my fears. If you ever need me im here for you to. Personal message me any time. Hugs Vicky
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 10:47:46 GMT
Hi Vicky (sorry I've been calling you Meggie--hope you didn't mind).
Thanks for your kind offer, which I will be glad to take you up on (prob. before too long). I haven't used the PM service yet, something exciting new to learn!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 18:12:05 GMT
Good thing is it doesnt ware off every evening atomox and leave you feeling groggy and you are still on track all eve infact I think I will go back on this week, the sick feeling hope that doesnt last for long this time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 18:15:15 GMT
Good thing is it doesnt ware off every evening atomox and leave you feeling groggy and you are still on track all eve Yes, definitely my experience too. I tried taking it in the evening once or twice, and it did play merry hell with my sleep, though. So I've stuck to the morning since then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 18:32:47 GMT
Thanx Hugh you have reallyhelped me, sickness has eased off a bit today,so touchwood. What type of work do you do Hugh? What sort of things help you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 18:36:46 GMT
I have got into a routine of taking it in Morning and im happy doing that. Havent had any problems with sleep just sickness. both of you have really given me hope regarding atamoxtine-thanx
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 18:56:30 GMT
Hey, great, really glad to hear it's eased up a bit. Good news, I'm really pleased for you. Keep us posted on how it's going.
I'm a consultant in the media industry, concentrating on scientific communication and access to research. I work mainly for various types of public sector agencies, and a bit for publishers. It's a pretty odd job for someone with ADD, as it's nothing but deadlines for proposals and reports. Endless bloody deadlines... Really goes nicely with the procrastination! On the other hand, it's better than being a manager, which I failed at completely. I've been a specialist journalist and editor (more deadlines), a salesman, senior director in a publishing firm and an HR director (pattern emerging?!?).
I get by, mainly by working really long hours and leaving everything to the last minute. Really mature strategy, eh? I'm beginning to get better with the help of the atomox. Basically, it's the wrong job but I've been in this industry for nearly 30 years and I just can't afford to change horses now (financial dependents).
The other things that have helped me are studying Buddhism and Stoicism, as they give me a way to think about experience and keep it in perspective. I love photography, which is my main creative practice and that helps me keep sane too as it's not like anything else I do. When my concentration is good I read as much as I can, but reading can be quite painful.
The other thing that has helped me is virtually giving up watching television. I can't tell you how much I hate television--it has me addicted in moments and I feel manipulated and wound-up by it and it sucks energy and time out of me. I also avoid things like Twitter and Facebook for the same reason.
And as you can see, I bang on and on about stuff. Hobby: being a gobshite, although I'm thinking of turn pro!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 19:19:28 GMT
Hugh
PMSL sound similar to me minus the career but am not dwelling being positive been looking at my graphic ability again may well take up in some way again if can make it pay, maybe start in some training capacity while I find my feat. Do you post any of your stuff online, photography etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 19:30:45 GMT
Safensound, You are right--don't dwell. Lethal. Learn what you can, & then let it go. Sounds good. Graphics is a great area for freelancing if you don't want a trad 9-5 all-in-one-place job. And using a talent is always satisfying. Photographs at www.flickr.com/photos/hughlook, if you are really keen. I've suffered for my art, now it's your turn.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 20:18:57 GMT
Dont put yourself down Hugh its obvious you are a talented creative person whichh is a good thing. youve helped me. Its hard at times to feel positive but it gets us further in the end. Glad your feeling good safe, you deserve to.
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