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Post by mavster on Jun 21, 2010 6:27:27 GMT
As you may have read I got arrested playing cricket the other day . I read something interesting
Common adult ADD / ADHD symptoms: Impulsivity
If you suffer from symptoms in this category, you may have trouble inhibiting your behaviors, comments, and responses. You might act before thinking, or react without considering consequences. You may find yourself interrupting others, blurting out comments, and rushing through tasks without reading instructions. If you have impulse problems, being patient is extremely difficult. For better or for worse, you may go headlong into situations and find yourself in potentially risky circumstances. You may struggle with controlling impulses if you:
* frequently interrupt others or talk over them * have poor self-control * blurt out thoughts that are rude or inappropriate without thinking * have addictive tendencies * act recklessly or spontaneously without regard for consequences * have trouble behaving in socially appropriate ways (such as sitting still during a long meeting)
* blurt out thoughts that are rude or inappropriate without thinking
so they are discriminating against my disability , today should be fun reporting the police to the police
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Post by sirrah on Jun 21, 2010 11:14:43 GMT
Right on! How dare they not consider you above the law for having ADD!
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Post by mavster on Jun 21, 2010 11:47:04 GMT
Don't be so soft If I had said f off you daki bastard , that is racism do you own sandals and prefer reading the guardian per chance
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Post by mavster on Jun 21, 2010 11:58:31 GMT
Right on! How dare they not consider you above the law for having ADD! and I am not add i am adhd. hence the hyperactive impusivity , still I wouldn't expect you to understand. Just out of interest have you been diagnosed by a specialist or by yourself ?
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Post by sirrah on Jun 21, 2010 12:21:15 GMT
Right on! How dare they not consider you above the law for having ADD! and I am not add i am adhd. hence the hyperactive impusivity , still I wouldn't expect you to understand. Just out of interest have you been diagnosed by a specialist or by yourself ? Neither. I'm sure you think that doesn't give me the right to an opinion :-) For the record, I never said the law was right. But we're all subject to it. I couldn't care less if you beat the guy half to death, so long as you took responsibility for your actions. That's what irks me. Being a twat is one thing, trying to justify it is another. I've done far, far worse things. Those are on me, not some disorder which I may or may not have.
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Post by mavster on Jun 21, 2010 12:31:08 GMT
Neither okay . I didn't say that you didn't have the right to an opinion and neither do I think it I just wanted to know why you had so little understanding and feel that these things shouldn't be taken into consideration , especially since it is the way certain types of adhd'ers are I agree people that rob banks or go on crime sprees then try to pin it on adhd are out of order. But making inappropriate comments and speaking without thinking about what you are even saying are caused by my adhd . Just because I am not in a wheelchair doesn't mean that I don't have a dissability. So should we prosecute tourettes sufferes under the public order act when they walk down the road barking out fuck and the like ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2010 16:54:32 GMT
EXACTLY !
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR COMPLAINT !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2010 17:26:44 GMT
You probably need to go to the Law Centre (Springfield Law Centre is good )but not easy to get support as the police tend to be a law unto themselves ,especially the MET !
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Post by Lame44 on Jun 21, 2010 19:15:08 GMT
Police are just as bent as half the motherfuckers they 'deal' with. Half of em have been bullied at school, so think they have the right to dish it back out on those they don't even know have done the crime yet or those who appear 'weak' and 'troublesome' in some way.
Sorry sirrah, you can try and make out people are trying to justify being 'twats' just because they want to complain about how they have been treated when it's a problem they have which has caused another problem which resulted in them being treated wrongly in the first place all you like, but they are not twats or trying to justify it.
A twat is someone who comes along n presumes and assumes things and has to have their say n make people with problems out to be the twats...kinda like you really I guess innit? Now before you get on your high horsey, think about it....You dont like the fact I have possibly called you a twat do you?
Nah course you dont, so dont go posting here that people here are trying to justify being twats when you weren't there n you dont know them n they way they are and you dont know the things that were said by the other party that led up to the phrase 'go n eat a poppadum'....and you certainly dont know the reason why people say the things they do anyway until you ask n noit presume.
Oh well one day sirrah might go into hospital after being hit in the kneecaps with a hammer or summat like, and the staff don't believe it hurts or is indeed broken as they cant 'see' anything wrong just by looking at it for a few seconds from a small distance. Just the exact same thing sirrah seems to be doin in my opinion to us lot with ADD/ADHD and other problems.
The tourettes thingy is a good example, I have impulses to say or shout or make certain noises at times to people and they are usually not very appropriate either and you get all the shit then from evils, to shouts or threats back, laughter, people taking the piss out of you n trying to wind you up or just being arseholes and aping you etc etc, and you think those people like me, or with that tourtet thing like to have that happen to them after they have shouted or said, or made a noise or spat etc on, to or near people?
Seriously man, if you think we/they have a choice and can controll what comes out our mouths at times n do it to get alll the shit from others around then you must be fucked or summat, unless thats your way to do things n think everyone is the same!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2010 19:32:58 GMT
Mavster can I say that you are on a hiding to nothing there, and if you ever want that racial discrimination charge to go away this is not the way to go about it. I know Anyway, fighting the polis only gets you targetted by them and before you know it you will be getting stopped in your car everry day and being victimised by them. They act like the are god's gifts to life the tossers. I actually spoke to my lawyer regarding all this and he says that every lawyer in the land will agree with you but basically the law is the law and thats that. Im not saying we should all bow down to them (like fuck) but see if you can get the charge dropped without the discrimination stuff. And then what you do is approach the proposed law change through your MP. Speak to them and also if you want tell them to contact my (ex) MSP Jack McConnell, who must be sick reading about ADHD by now hahaha. Thats how it should be done mate. Pretend you love them really and sneak up behind them with your MPs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2010 19:34:34 GMT
In regards to all the things u listed, it puts us in a position like Sirrah suggested of being above the law. I spoke to my lawyer about this too because I am not saying I am not guilty of the "offences" but I have a problem in that area, so they are basically punishing someone for having a health problem. Its like fining a guy in a wheelchair because he cant walk into the court room.
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Post by Lame44 on Jun 21, 2010 19:36:56 GMT
Anyway, fighting the polis only gets you targetted by them and before you know it you will be getting stopped in your car everry day and being victimised by them. They act like the are god's gifts to life the tossers. Too right Scot, n other than what you said to do, there aint really much else you can try.
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Post by phil on Jun 21, 2010 22:38:09 GMT
yeah mavster you're crazy lol know how many folk with adhd on this site worked for the police and now they know it all mmmmwwwwaaahhha haha ha ;D
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Post by mavster on Jun 22, 2010 14:02:03 GMT
Police are just as bent as half the motherfuckers they 'deal' with. Half of em have been bullied at school, so think they have the right to dish it back out on those they don't even know have done the crime yet or those who appear 'weak' and 'troublesome' in some way. Sorry sirrah, you can try and make out people are trying to justify being 'twats' just because they want to complain about how they have been treated when it's a problem they have which has caused another problem which resulted in them being treated wrongly in the first place all you like, but they are not twats or trying to justify it. A twat is someone who comes along n presumes and assumes things and has to have their say n make people with problems out to be the twats...kinda like you really I guess innit? Now before you get on your high horsey, think about it....You dont like the fact I have possibly called you a twat do you? Nah course you dont, so dont go posting here that people here are trying to justify being twats when you weren't there n you dont know them n they way they are and you dont know the things that were said by the other party that led up to the phrase 'go n eat a poppadum'....and you certainly dont know the reason why people say the things they do anyway until you ask n noit presume. Oh well one day sirrah might go into hospital after being hit in the kneecaps with a hammer or summat like, and the staff don't believe it hurts or is indeed broken as they cant 'see' anything wrong just by looking at it for a few seconds from a small distance. Just the exact same thing sirrah seems to be doin in my opinion to us lot with ADD/ADHD and other problems. The tourettes thingy is a good example, I have impulses to say or shout or make certain noises at times to people and they are usually not very appropriate either and you get all the shit then from evils, to shouts or threats back, laughter, people taking the piss out of you n trying to wind you up or just being arseholes and aping you etc etc, and you think those people like me, or with that tourtet thing like to have that happen to them after they have shouted or said, or made a noise or spat etc on, to or near people? Seriously man, if you think we/they have a choice and can controll what comes out our mouths at times n do it to get alll the shit from others around then you must be fucked or summat, unless thats your way to do things n think everyone is the same! Thanks for the back up mate , perhaps you went a bit strong at him though. I have the full support from the chairman of my cricket club and he is also going down to lodge a complaint , quite good really since he used to be a chief super intendant before he retired ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 8:31:39 GMT
I am starting to think maybe I don't have this condition.
I do tick many of the ADD boxes but confrontation with the law is not one of them. I understand as an Adult there are consequences to my action and therefore decide to enjoy a peaceful life. I don't do outbursts, rants at people etc. If I am diagnosed with this condition I think I have been dealt a better hand than most with this condition.
I just live on a mania roller-coaster which takes enough of my time
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 9:33:30 GMT
Hi Wired - making a snap judgement based on one (newsworthy) thread? That's a good symptom in itself
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 9:52:17 GMT
This condition tag is new to me and I am trying to understand it. The best way it seems is by reading peoples experiences. In a very short time I have started to paint a picture which in time will become more (or less) detailed. If you define 'Snap' as a few posts on this forum then I agree... 'Snap' it is but as I explained its a stick-man of a picture.
I do know Kleptomaniacs do get prosecuted for stealing.
Do they say "But its my condition... M'LUD"?.... Probably.
Is it taken into account?..... Maybe
Do they still get charged?.... Most definitely!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 20:59:59 GMT
I have started to learn this kind of stuff too wired but that doesnt mean im cured from the outbursts. Perhaps it because Ive started to leanr more about myself and tackle the problems. But that desire to have an easy paceful life isnt new, I just never knew how to get there until recently.
And its still going to a contentous point, the law breaking that is. If we are guilty but its not soemthing we can control, does that mean we deserve punishment?
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Post by kakema on Jun 23, 2010 21:30:05 GMT
I think I read somewhere that there's a link, or maybe it was confusion, between Tourette's and ADHD. Isn't the key difference that the Tourette's sufferer can't even predict what they're going to shout, and it's often completely out of character. But if you 'just' have impulsivity, like in ADHD, I think there's a difference. The impulsivity doesn't make you think racist thoughts - just shout them out if they're already in there.
That said, there are plenty of people in the world who harbour racist thoughts or even just mild resentments, and there's no law against thinking in a particular way. Those people keep themselves safe against prosecution because they never voice their thoughts. So I can see that you might think it unfair if you were prosecuted for thinking what loads of other people think just because you don't have that basic self-defence mechanism. But I think you'd find it jolly hard to prove that you couldn't help yourself - the world will assume that you were being wilfully offensive and are now trying to escape the consequences. Harsh but pretty much the way things are.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 21:50:19 GMT
Im a great example of what your talking about there kakema. I was brought up in a very narrow minded small town where everyone was racist, homophobic and totally anti-english. To think otherwise would have made you an outcast and we all know how peer pressure works when you are younger. So basically that was what I was brought up to be, amongst many other things. I broke free of that and went and met the world, learned that the world was different to what I had been told and decided I would make my own decisions on what was out there. I now have lots of friends of all creeds and colour, sexual orientation, and English ones too haha. Right so now that I am a grown adult and have broken free of my upbringing I am a very accepting person but memories are still there. So would you have me punished for my upbringing as well now
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2010 5:44:12 GMT
If your upbringing led you to commit a crime then yes.
Jon Venables is suspected to have ADHD.... Should he be excused because of his condition?
A bloke who has medically diagnosed anger management issues smacks his wife and she nearly dies.... How would you deal with this assault? More importantly is it his fault?
If you are in a pub and you have an uncontrollable outburst at someone. A fight breaks out and the police are called. Do the police let you go once you flash your - 'I have ADHD' card.
Where do you draw the line?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2010 18:02:09 GMT
What we need is a better diagnostic/support system so it never gets us in to these situations. Knowledge is power but it needs to be used for the good of humanity ! WE KEEP FIGHTING ON !!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2010 18:09:12 GMT
After my experience with the Met I would def think long and hard B4 ringing them for help again ! My cousin is a retired Det Sarg and he says the Met are a law unto themselves ! Its about ticking boxes mainly not about doing the right thing !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2010 19:55:39 GMT
Did I get comments deleted from here or am I going insane? I know I wrote more stuff in there. And it wasnt even bad, it was philosophical and as a part of a debate. It may have been going nowhere in particular but there was a point to it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2010 21:38:34 GMT
I am starting to think maybe I don't have this condition. [glow=red,2,300]I do tick many of the ADD boxes but confrontation with the law is not one of them[/glow]. I understand as an Adult there are consequences to my action and therefore decide to enjoy a peaceful life. I don't do outbursts, rants at people etc. If I am diagnosed with this condition I think I have been dealt a better hand than most with this condition. I just live on a mania roller-coaster which takes enough of my time @wired. Actually he did not confront the law. However they decided to persue a case against him without properly recognising the situation of the condition and how it can lead to impulsive moments for some. To punish someone because of a medical condition is discrimination. mavster, if you go to the local Citizen Advice Beauru then you can speak to them about a complaint to the police as they are very good at organising such things with the independent police complaints commission www.ipcc.gov.uk/
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Post by Aneurysm on Jun 27, 2010 1:07:48 GMT
Wired, you dont really have to tick all the boxes dude.
Its abit like saying you cant be an England supporter coz your not over there watching the World Cup. I know a bad example but its late and an odd but its the match later today so its on my mind. Shame tho coz I really struggle watching a whole game, so find myself flicking in and out, thats for a different thread tho I think
Oh yeah where was I?
Oh ok, Ive worked for 15 years in Learning difficulties/ autium etc and Ive only just worked out Ive got it coz I didnt see myself in the few kids Ive worked with that have ADHD. It was only when I worked have some adults that the penny dropped. I dont see myself as a ADHD, more ADD, I have moments of hyper but not like some do.
Everyone of us is different, with different levels difficulties and super powers. I think maybe the only thing that links us fully is that we are all non NT.
Oh nearly forgot, Sirrah I hope you have something soft to land on if you ever do fall off that high horse. Ride 'em cowboy
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Post by Aneurysm on Jun 27, 2010 1:28:16 GMT
I dont feel its about drawing lines, more to do with taking it into consideration so that person can get the right help and/or reprimand. We all should be accountable for our actions but circumstances have to be considered too.
Does that make sense? Reading back Im not sure if I did. lol
by the by, my last comment was coz I only read page one, didnt notice there was a page two till it tacked it on. So wrote another two cents worth coz Im feeling chatty.
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Post by dipsy on Jun 27, 2010 15:35:06 GMT
Spot on mavster and ryan. Sirrah, perhaps the best place for the rest of us is in prison, aparently theres a lot there already with ADHD behaviour, that way it would save normal people from being offended and irritated by us.
The law isn't black and white, although thats more to do with your bank balance and status or career criminals. Does it also justify bullys in the workplace, education, life, as its our own fault as we bring it on ourselves?
Ryan PMSL!
*i thought there was only 1 page aswell, thought for a moment this had been deleted or i had lost the plot again*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2010 17:53:59 GMT
As explained in my post... If you fk up then stand up and face the consequence's
I will repeat my original scenarios so please feel free to answer them just so I know which fence people sit on.... //////////// Jon Venables is suspected to have ADHD.... Should he be excused because of his condition?
A bloke who has medically diagnosed anger management issues smacks his wife and she nearly dies.... How would you deal with this assault? More importantly is it his fault?
If you are in a pub and you have an uncontrollable outburst at someone. A fight breaks out and the police are called. Do the police let you go once you flash your - 'I have ADHD' card.
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Post by mavster on Jun 27, 2010 18:40:36 GMT
was there any violence involved in this case , you might as well say venables had adhd so we must all sexually abuse and kill a child ase have it what poop
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