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Post by phil on Apr 28, 2011 13:17:09 GMT
Reckon if I write to him in prison he could motivate me to sort my life out ;D The CBT they tried on me in group from with the probation board kind of fucked up as I impulsively blurted out ;D I was asked a question gave an answer as it did not conform with the program and probably fucked up months of their work I got booted off the program but it was shit anyhow! But I don't believe cbt works in most cases but charles mason holds the key if he can brain wash folks into murder he has more insight on how to program people than you're common or garden shrink ;D
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Post by phil on Apr 28, 2011 13:34:36 GMT
Whoops I ment to post this in the lounge but I ain't thinking straight today so what ever
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Post by optomistic65 on Apr 28, 2011 22:56:07 GMT
Surely you can come up with someone more inspiring than that psycho Phil?
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Post by optomistic65 on Apr 28, 2011 22:58:41 GMT
p.s. isn't he brown bread? I'm sure I saw his heat signature on Ghost Hunters recently?
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Post by phil on Apr 28, 2011 23:33:51 GMT
well charlie manson maybe a psycho! But theoretically he did not kill anyone! ;D Where as my local mental health team factually have killed 1000's indirectly!
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Post by phil on Apr 28, 2011 23:40:08 GMT
Optimistic- that's a shame who will help me now
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Post by dizzydumpling on Apr 28, 2011 23:48:52 GMT
But I don't believe cbt works in most cases but charles mason holds the key if he can brain wash folks into murder he has more insight on how to program people than you're common or garden shrink ;D Perhaps probation should employ Derren Brown!
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Post by phil on Apr 29, 2011 0:18:13 GMT
Perhaps they should employ uri gellah too ;D they love wasting money. Don't give them ideas now lol
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Post by dizzydumpling on Apr 29, 2011 0:57:01 GMT
Yeah definately - a programme of rehabilitative spoon-bending workshops - the heroin addicts'll have a headstart on the others though ;D
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Post by phil on Apr 29, 2011 1:11:27 GMT
Yeah uri could do the drug program lmfao junkies keep dropping the end off there spoons so they can't shoot up
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Post by optomistic65 on Apr 29, 2011 10:44:26 GMT
Soz Phil, I stand corrected
"In 1997-AUG, Manson was transferred from Corcoran State Prison to the tougher Pelican Bay State Prison as punishment for a drug bust. He was placed in a segregated Security Housing Unit where he had little contact with other inmates. In 1998-MAR-26, he was returned to Corcoran where he remains today. His address is: Charles Manson, B-33920, 4A 4R-23, P. O. Box 3476, Corcoran, CA 93212. He is currently eligible for parole, although his chances of being freed are slim."
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Post by phil on Apr 29, 2011 11:59:33 GMT
reckon they would let me write to him or would they fear i'd may make him worse lmfao
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Post by optomistic65 on Apr 29, 2011 14:54:59 GMT
I think it'll be ok, it's not like he'll be able to harm anyone who doesn't deserve it. LOL
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Post by optomistic65 on Apr 29, 2011 14:58:51 GMT
I don't rate CBT much either. I did a group CBT course for depression and everyone agreed that it made them feel more depressed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 18:21:29 GMT
CBT only works for neurotypical folk. You only have to read the clinical trial papers and see that they excluded anyone who had anything that even looked vaguely like "unusual" symptoms which could make them...oh...ASD, ADHD,dyslexic, dyspraxic.
I've found it a little bit effective with me, but I have to work about 10 times harder at using the tools than my NT clients I sometimes send off to get CBT for their behavioural issues. I suggest that if anyone wants to read a good self-help book, they should read Dale Carnegies "Stop worrying and start living" It was the original self-help book and it is either an a) good laugh or b) thought provoking
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Post by phil on Apr 29, 2011 18:34:51 GMT
I read some where's that CBT is more effective on women than men?
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Post by optomistic65 on Apr 29, 2011 19:06:47 GMT
I know what you mean kiwihelen, it was all too much effort for me and a lot of the courses I did that involved CBT seemed to highlight the fact that my symptoms (that had been identified at that time as depression) were so different from everyone else's. My problem was over thinking and analysing everything to death so to ask me to do it even more seemed crazy. I did every available course as a day patient at the Priory and the ones I found helpful weren't CBT based.
I think that NLP has a lot to offer us ADD/ADHD because it helps us to consider carefully the words we use to communicate instead of blurting stuff out.
I am relieved to say I don't think too much now, I get on and do stuff and that's down to medication.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2011 9:25:24 GMT
Interesting to hear that CBT only intended for NTs.
As soon as I started meds I noticed that I was suddenly able to apply the CBT techniques I'd been presented with in counselling. Up until that point, I could see what the idea was but I never 'got' it.
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Post by boo on Apr 30, 2011 10:11:08 GMT
i have never had cbt, but i did look into a self-help cbt online 'course' once, and for me, i 'got' the things, i just couldnt apply them.
example: warpy thinking... yes, i know i have warpy thinking, great.....now what....ummm......
i gave up on it early doors, cos tbh, it's not about identifying it, we have all already probably done that many times over, its about breaking free of it and the advise seemed to be about recognising it, which would naturally follow on to changing it, but if you already know, and havent been able to change it, its not much use is it.
optomistic, one time on my post dx 1-2-1, i remember being given the advice on looping thoughts/overthinking was to recognise it and tell myself mantra style that i was stuck in the looping thought, all it did was add that to the loop, and so i would have the looping thought process AND the added thought, telling myself i was having the looping thought process.... not good really.
meds have helped this side of things alot, i think. i really dont seem to get stuck in that cycle anymore, the thoughts are still there, i am sure, but they dont become all encompassing like they did before
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2011 14:50:36 GMT
Boo, Interesting you had the problem with the looping thought thing and the standard technique for getting out of it making it worse -snap!
Two things helped me 1) After having terrible jaw pain which the dentists wanted me to have surgery on my TMJ joint I asked if there was something less invasive to try first - so they suggested some hypnosis. Had an absolutely fantastic practitioner who was so matter of fact that I trusted him immediately and responded very well. He was so impressed with my quick response, and we still had two more sessions (he always worked on a pre-pay for 3 sessions), so he taught me self hypnosis. Bloody marvelous for any kind of looping thought. Can usually quieten them on a 10 minute "reboot" but it helps to have 30 minutes.
2) An alternative to this is to do some pranic breathing, taught to me by a yoga teacher. Also bloody marvelous, because if you are doing it right you can't focus on anything except your breathing. If I catch the loop soon enough, I can stop it in about 5 minutes of pranic breathing.
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Post by sherry on Apr 30, 2011 21:19:32 GMT
Phil, Forget it, nothing is going to work on you lol.
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Post by phil on Apr 30, 2011 22:21:56 GMT
Shez, Equasym could work and kill 3 birds with one stone! But chances are that I won't be put on it!
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Post by phil on May 1, 2011 19:59:48 GMT
if CBT works on NT's and not ND's therefore the majority who did that ASD test are ND's! Does this mean that counselling and none ADHD expert medication help should be held in the same regard as snake oil treatments?
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