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Post by Lame44 on Jun 3, 2011 11:11:49 GMT
There has been lots and lots of talk recently around certain forums about alot of transsexuals having Autism or a related disorder and I wonderd if anyone has any info to back this up, or any comments that they feel they'd like to share about this topic. It really is quite interesting and would be great if some of you could share a little insight if you have any, or even just your own thoughts on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2011 13:45:28 GMT
I suspect you may be right, and I've heard there are more gay/transgendered people on the spectrum than in the normal population too. There is a transgender person (female->male) at my AS support group. There are also a few on the AS forum I attend.
While I don't consider myself transgender, I'm not really interested in stereotypically male things (sports, etc) and I tend to get on better with girls than boys.
If there is a connection then it's probably a)biological and b) behavioural - i.e. autistic people are less likely to conform to stereotypical gender roles, so may appear more feminine/masculine because they don't play with cars/dolls.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2011 8:43:20 GMT
I've just read a book about aspergers which said that people with aspergers usually get along better with the opposite sex as their 'otherness' is put down to the fact that they are a different sex and are more accepted despite not quite fitting in, the difference just beng put down to the difference between boys and girls.
I suppose that being accepted like this by the oPposite sex might make someone want to become like them as that's the part of society where they feel most comfortable.
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Post by kakema on Jun 25, 2011 10:29:41 GMT
I've always got on better with men than women. I grew up with boys and never learned female games (although I'm no less prone to female behaviours ). Always assumed it was a cultural thing but I do have some very mild aspie traits around social stuff and rules.
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Post by boo on Jun 25, 2011 11:21:24 GMT
yeah same here, always seemed to feel uncomfortable on whether i was saying and doing the right thing with girls, but never had the same issue around boys. i was better with girls if it was more on one to one basis, but in groups i would always feel like i was socially completely inept. not good when you go to an all girls school in the years social skills become key....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2011 11:24:03 GMT
Kooky, I have heard a similar thing about aspies in foreign countries. They tend to find it a bit easier as their oddness is put down to being foreign.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2011 10:59:25 GMT
That was in the book too. The author said he was shocked by the amount of foreign aspies at his talks who seemed to feel more comfortable abroad. I think it was called the aspergers encyclopedia or something. It very accurately described my son who also gets on better with girls and adults. He's also told he wants to marry a man when he grows up so I may be posting a thread like this in a few years with first hand knowledge haha
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Post by random on Jun 26, 2011 18:16:30 GMT
kooky - what is the name of the book. apologies if you have already said
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2011 18:40:37 GMT
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Post by kreate on Jun 27, 2011 19:01:52 GMT
I don`t identify with the skirt on the door to the ladys loos so I guess im confused too! (Im female, I think) lol
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Post by Lame44 on Jul 1, 2011 1:21:47 GMT
I don`t identify with the skirt on the door to the ladys loos so I guess im confused too! (Im female, I think) lol If thats the only thing that confuses you then you need not worry Karen, believe me lol
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Post by trigger on Jul 1, 2011 21:36:30 GMT
guys u need to stop freaking me out with this crazy-talk. I moved to the uk age 20. I am quite efeminate in my maneirisms i try really hard not to have "exuberant outbursts" lololol ive always mostly had female friends (who i often ended up getting involved with). im not gay tho, im not even bi, im like 75%/25% i like women too much ah
i dont have aspergers tho. just adhd. i'd know right?
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Post by Lame44 on Jul 1, 2011 23:09:57 GMT
I dont understand what is so crazy about the subject though? Oh n being gay or straight or bi, is not usually anything to do with being a tranny btw!
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Post by phil on Jul 2, 2011 0:19:01 GMT
trigger ryans right if you are a tranny you may look like this-
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Post by trigger on Jul 2, 2011 1:23:24 GMT
Its crazy
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Post by phil on Jul 2, 2011 2:04:54 GMT
whats appears to be "crazy" to one person is just life to another! people believe i'm "crazy" and folks don't get the jest of what living with ADHD is all about. Ryan's heart is in the right place and he gets shit all the time for the way he want's to live. i got a daughter with ASD and if she wanted to change her gender it would not phase me! being diffrent is not being crazy being crazy is making judgements based upon nothing
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Post by kakema on Jul 2, 2011 7:45:24 GMT
Crossed wires alert!!
I'm not sure trigger is suggesting that TG is crazy...more worried that his mild gender ambivalence is indicative of ASD? Which is also not what the thread is saying.
It seems to be regularly noted that weak gender 'alignment' is often obseved in ASD/Aspie folk - but not suggested that it's a core symptom of ASD, or that if you're not strongly aligned, it means you must be ASD. No hard-wired link, basically!
Interesting, though, that so many of us like to buck gender stereotypes - I find that non-conformist approach happily consistent with my ADHD.
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Post by trigger on Jul 2, 2011 11:43:50 GMT
Uffff thanks oooohshiny. I was wondering whether the C word was off limits ah
I think people box themselves in sexual definitions that can make then miserable. We should just do what we feel like while we can
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Post by phil on Jul 2, 2011 12:35:02 GMT
What camp or c### ;D
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Post by trigger on Jul 2, 2011 13:12:58 GMT
How come being transgender as nothing to do w sexual orientation?
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Post by kakema on Jul 2, 2011 13:20:17 GMT
Because it's to do with getting your gender right, and then you can work out your orientation. If I needed to reassign myself as 'male', I would become male. Depending on my sexual preferences, I would then either be male and gay or male and straight. Or male and bi. Etc.
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Post by Lame44 on Jul 2, 2011 13:52:27 GMT
Uffff thanks oooohshiny. I was wondering whether the C word was off limits ah I think people box themselves in sexual definitions that can make then miserable. We should just do what we feel like while we can What C word? If it's the one I'm thinking then that is way out of order to be honest and if you think the subject os so crazy for whatever reason then maybe you shouldn't bother joining in! N Shiny, no offence but thats why I asked trigger what was crazy so maybe they could explain how they mean, but all they want to do is call us c words. People like that dont want to join in subjects like this to try and understand, they just want to take the piss! I mean if I cant ask what trigger meant by 'it's crazy' without trigger wanting to call me a c*** then trigger aint worth the time or effort. Today at 12:43pm, trigger wrote:I think people box themselves in sexual definitions that can make then miserable. We should just do what we feel like while we can Yea, even though as I said, it's nothing sexual at all! Until you even want to bother understanding, without calling people nasty names then maybe you should go off n do some more research. I know a good few sites being a tranny myself if you want a pointer in the right direction. And for your info, a tranny is what I am, and it doesn't make me miserable anymore, I'm getting it fixed, and it makes me HAPPY that I can do so. What makes me miserable is people thinking they know what it is all about, or making silly remarks about sexual things when they really have no clue. People who abuse people like myself in the streets and hit me and even the police turn blind eyes to it and let them get away with it because in thier words 'I should be used to it'. People who refuse to give me a job saying and I quite 'we dont know if we can have people like you working here' or even more nasty, is the people who hit my girlfriend at work and outside of it because she is 'with a tranny'. People who work or own clubs and pubs telling me that trannies should never be allowed inside ever again etc etc. There really is so much to learn about the subject and I really wish if people were going to make comments on it really had an interest in it or at least understood the subject Trigger.
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Post by Lame44 on Jul 2, 2011 13:57:38 GMT
Because it's to do with getting your gender right, and then you can work out your orientation. If I needed to reassign myself as 'male', I would become male. Depending on my sexual preferences, I would then either be male and gay or male and straight. Or male and bi. Etc. Sort of right......But most people do know the gender of the people they are attracted to before they change gender themselves. But the bit about getting our own gender right is spot on. It's not for sexual purposes or so we can go off with someone of the same gender without being called gay etc after having had the ops. Thats why people like trigger who come on, say its crazy, doesn't elaborate and then when asked to wants to call me a c word I take offence, ALOT!
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Post by kakema on Jul 2, 2011 16:11:16 GMT
Sorry - yes - I didn't mean to suggest that your orientation would necessarily change with your gender. I reckon it is what it is, isn't it?
But I think you may be reading trig wrong - the 'c' word he's talking about is 'crazy', as in, is it an ok word to use on a mental health forum? He's not calling you names - at least, I don't think he is. He was saying, originally, that the talk of linkages between ASD and TG was crazy as in a bit mind-blowing (because it might say something about him), and then, that he thought, as we seem to, that being 'flexible' about gender was a good thing, rather than boxing ourselves in to gender and orientation stereotypes, which just serve to make people unhappy.
He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I really think he's just getting his head round a big idea, rather than wishing to be mean!
Does that make sense?
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Post by Lame44 on Jul 2, 2011 16:43:57 GMT
Yea it does hon. I see what you mean but it's hard to know unless Trigger could be a bit clearer!
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Post by kakema on Jul 2, 2011 16:46:55 GMT
Yeah, but foot in mouth and ADHD? We've all been there!
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Post by phil on Jul 2, 2011 17:33:40 GMT
Shiny talking about foot in mouth! Explain how ADHD/ ADD is a mental health problem? And explain how the word crazy is not offensive?
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Post by kakema on Jul 2, 2011 18:16:39 GMT
Well, it's a health issue, on account of it being a disorder caused by a chemical imbalance, and the imbalance is in the brain, causing issues to do with mental processes, so duh?
And crazy isn't an offensive word when you're a hippy like trig. Crazy, man...
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Post by trigger on Jul 2, 2011 21:51:26 GMT
Score! I see I managed to annoy someone. I'm too drunk k to actually read anymore right now but ill get back toll u soon!
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Post by Lame44 on Jul 2, 2011 22:13:30 GMT
Score! I see I managed to annoy someone. I'm too drunk k to actually read anymore right now but ill get back toll u soon! Like we didn't realize. Don't even bother you ignorant little prick!
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