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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 9:25:00 GMT
I just wanted to know if any ladies here really suffer with PMS and ADHD! I have got to the point where for almost 2 weeks of every month its uncontrollable...negative thoughts, anger, rage, misconceptions, self worth to name but a few are all magnified to the level of once a month suicidal moments and that the kids deserve a much better mother! How do you manage and control it? Can anti D's be taken with Concerta and would they help? Any info would be muchly appreciated thanks. xx
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 9:53:02 GMT
I have several female friends with ADHD.
I'm not good at tracking the moon - but I certainly notice when the tide is in.
Sorry - that didn't help at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 10:30:15 GMT
Hahaha!! But it did make me laugh
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Post by emily on Jun 20, 2011 10:31:49 GMT
you can take them at the same time!! also, buy a punch bag! gets you fit and stress free!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 13:46:54 GMT
i'm not of any authority, so don't take my word as gospel, but i'm sure they could give you something to tone that down a bit. pms shouldn't be that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 17:27:51 GMT
A couple of points 1) Some ADs can be taken with concerta - and venlafaxine (effexor) is third line treatment for ADHD as well as being great for PMS. 2) If you haven't tried the natural options here they are a) 25mg of B6 daily from mid cycle onwards b) natural progesterone cream from mid cycle onwards (better if you are an old fart like me with estrogen dominance symptoms including bloating) c) Magnesium 250mg daily in second half of cycle d) Evening primrose oil 1000mg again in second half of cycle e) Agnus castus - but check with someone who knows what they are talking about before mixing AC with concerta - and only use a standardised brand like Kira.
Your severity puts you over into PMDD - and there is some evidence for diet change, but this would be a really long response...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 17:54:44 GMT
PML PlanetD!! So true..
Good advice from Kiwi, ive found 'magnesium ok' to be a good supplement, but not a cure, im still hideous for a week every month...Im wondering about AD's too xx
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Post by andy12345 on Jun 20, 2011 19:16:48 GMT
Or you could go the zoladex route, but you'll have to have some testosterone added back(some of which will naturally be aromatised to oestrogen) and personally it seems a pretty strong method of control. Dropping bodyweight (less weight, less aromatase) and/ or finding a safe nutrient that is clinically proven to reduce the activity of aromatase will help (a bit - ie an unspecified amount, possibly worthless, possibly helpful.....YMMV) I expect Kiwihelen has understanding on this matter. You could also pm haydreamer, who I seem to remember was connected with someone with PMDD and was on zoladex. Funnily enough, bodybuilders + excess testosterone supplementation without- an oestrogen control = nightmare, bloating, water retention, moods, acne and the other symptoms of "excessive" oestrogen levels. Hence why they usually take an aromatase inhibitor or suffer gynecomastia cell proliferation/masses as well. Oh, the prob with zoladex is that is drops oestradiol through the floor. It'll give you a real understanding of what excess oestradiol does to you, but you'll also be effectively postmenopausal and suffer the deficiency symptoms. It all depends on your level of monstrousness in that week before menstruation and the fact you wrote about this, suggests the suffering is high. www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/depression/pmsorpmdd_000011.htmThe main benefit of weight loss is that there are no side effects to it... Edit and its possible that zoladex is not used much. You would need to speak to a doctor/endocrinologist for the goss, as they say. www.studd.co.uk/pms.php (check his about page for his credibility) You could also avoid phyto- and xeno-oestrogen containing foods as these "theoretically" add to your overall levels. It's a minefield really! " Why now? Has this been happening on a smooth scale of intensity over the years? . .
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Post by phil on Jun 20, 2011 19:24:42 GMT
tried Dr Whites and JD ;D
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Post by phil on Jun 20, 2011 20:11:17 GMT
kiwi helen do you think the risks of taking venlafaxine out weigh the symptoms of PMT/PMS? before you send someone running to the doctors for happy pills?
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Post by twix on Jun 20, 2011 20:21:11 GMT
Phil 2 weeks of rage and suicidal thoughts are pretty risky and need sorting. She specifically asked about happy pills and Helen gave her natural options as well.
I take Evening Primrose and it helps, I do get bad PMT sometimes and my ADHD is far worse at that time. Or I cope with it less well?
I also try to keep in mind the date and issue a warning and try to remind myself not to make decisions or worry too much if I know its that time.
IIRC Evening primrose needs time to build up in the body and its fine to take it all month to start with.
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Post by twix on Jun 20, 2011 20:22:24 GMT
Oh and hormonal contraception, the pill or the patch may help but again pros and cons of that.
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Post by kakema on Jun 20, 2011 20:57:07 GMT
I just wanted to know if any ladies here really suffer with PMS and ADHD! I have got to the point where for almost 2 weeks of every month its uncontrollable...negative thoughts, anger, rage, misconceptions, self worth to name but a few are all magnified to the level of once a month suicidal moments and that the kids deserve a much better mother! How do you manage and control it? Can anti D's be taken with Concerta and would they help? Any info would be muchly appreciated thanks. xx Keeeeell.....p......d......!!! (Yes, I'm one of his more hormonal pals - I can vouch for the quality of his howls of  'whaaaaadididonow???'.  I almost feel sorry for him.... but.... nope.  ;D ) Seriously, though, I thought it was just me...but it gets worse. Try doing it peri-menopausal. PMT 3  Also, unpredictable cycles, so you only know it's happening when it's happened. Something for you to look forward to
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Post by phil on Jun 20, 2011 21:47:08 GMT
twix suicidal thoughts is one thing suicidal actions is another and is'nt a side effect of Venlafaxine suicidal behaviour hypomania mania the list goes on and on and on there is positives PMT does not last for ever so instead of thinking in a negative think soon this cycle will be over and things will be back to normal get support around the time you are up on blocks to go roller blading with dogs pulling you along! trust body form shaped for confidance what do men know about women on the blob just to run ;D but theres loads of alternatives to try before going down the AD route somthing has popped into my head that yoga is supposed to be good for PMS
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Post by phil on Jun 20, 2011 21:47:54 GMT
or was that tai chi?
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Post by kakema on Jun 20, 2011 22:12:35 GMT
Seriously, Phil, butt the hell out of a thread on pmt!
You cannot possibly know what you are talking about!!
And yes, I am!!!
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Post by twix on Jun 20, 2011 22:36:50 GMT
Phil!!!!!!! You are naughty. Lucky for you it was last week for me or I'd be having a right go at you now
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Post by phil on Jun 21, 2011 0:38:25 GMT
That's a bit sexist shiny! And when did it start? I'll plan my postings around you periods ;D as per you are not getting the point why possibly increase the risk of harm by going down the drug root and by drug root I'm not just talking the anti depressents! Chinese medicine ect could have effects on medication! That's where diet and exersize come in to the equasion depression is depression it does not matter what triggers the blues is the blues if you don't fight it, it will win take over! And the way to fight depression is to get some exercise! FFS I have had PMS symtoms For the last 20 years I don't get monthly's I get daily's and I'm a gezza! + the fact that I had a bout of depression and know what suicidal idelation feels like a easy solution to an on going problem! But then you got to think of you're children in these situations! Because they will be hurt! I do a bit of excersize when I can and it does help I feel sorry you lady's have to get the painters in once a month! It aint a quick fix you must try to get as much exercise as you can! Right twix I'm just writing that down avoid twix early in the month lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 2:48:14 GMT
Phil, venlafaxine is the LAST resort of many, many women for PMDD - but for many it is a lifesaver. If you read the original post, there was a question about whether ADs are any use and my response was that they can be and venlafaxine is a 3rd line treatment of ADHD and could have double benefit.
Having been on venlafaxine for around 8 years for generalised anxiety disorder (one of the sucky aspects of being dyspraxic, you get anxious about doing anything that involves complex motor skills, so modern life is an hour by hour challenge), I do know its drawbacks (if you read the side-effects list I have quite a number of the really rare and peculiar but not life threatening ones), but for me it has kept me not only working, but has given me the calm space I needed to learn the skills for non-medical management of anxiety - I've managed professional promotions that need me to be in control of my anxiety, and I attribute part of that success to being medicated enough that I can manage my own anxiety. Before you ask, SSRI meds were rotten, as I lost the happy side of my affect as well as the sad side - not being able to laugh when you know something is funny is a hell trap.
On exercise - just a note - I agree it is great, but if you are dealing with PMDD it is not enough on its own, hence the need to take a holistic approach, which may or may not include ADs.
On the subject of zoladex - did it a couple of months and I can officially say ROLL ON MENOPAUSE! However there are risk factors to consider such as family history of cardiovascular disease and bone density, which meant my GP was not exactly keen to let me continue. It did also give me insight into the fact that around half of my anxiety is affected by my hormones, I got down to 75mg venlafaxine without blinking
Aromatase reduction is an interesting area - the diet is a bit of a bugger, but it does work. The top line is for the second half of the month, you need to be virtually vegan and eating plenty of brassicas - I managed it for a couple of cycles and it was a bliss in terms of feeling good, but totally impractical if you need to eat with other people or on the run.
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Post by andy12345 on Jun 21, 2011 3:08:42 GMT
Such is the complexity of humanity, there's no undo button or save snapshot. Silly humanity!!
Venlaxafine is classed as a medicine that does the job of atomoxetine (as an SNRI) and a typical anti-depressant (namely SSRI) giving it the power of a SSNRI. That's a right combo. Drugs are drugs though, it's always about finding the sweet spot between good and bad symptoms.
Aromatase reduction is one thing, aromatase activity reduction is another, ie reducing the bang per buck of aromatisation.
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Post by phil on Jun 21, 2011 3:31:09 GMT
Would diazepam not be a far safer approch if nothing else worked or would that effect the meds?
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Post by twix on Jun 21, 2011 9:44:40 GMT
Diazis are very addictive I thought?
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Post by andy12345 on Jun 21, 2011 11:31:15 GMT
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Post by boo on Jun 23, 2011 7:04:02 GMT
when i was (much) younger, my PMS was way outta control, more murderous thinking than suicidal though! after i had my son, the contraception i was put on was a slow release hormone one and it really settled the ups and downs and the more severe PMS symptoms however!!? when i went on concerta, one of the things i mentioned to my GP was that although the concerta seemed to work well, i was suddenly noticing the monthly pattern again, as my general daily focus & concentration and levels of frustration had seemed to even out, why was it that once a month all the ADHD symptoms came back with a vengeance.... anyway, basically what my GP thought was that the concerta was working and thats why i was noticing the ups and downs of my usual cycle more, and also, that she realised from our conversation about it that the slow release hormone probably wasnt effective any more which obviously made the cycles even more pronounced..... if that made sense!?? sorry, meant to ask, have you tried the contraceptive pill to try and even out the peaks and troughs? going back to when i was younger, i was put on it just for that, before i needed it as an actual contraception...
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Post by twix on Jun 23, 2011 21:38:19 GMT
Me too, with the patch. My pmt is loads better than it was but my adhd is worse, (or I perceive it to be?) at that time of the month.
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Post by andy12345 on Jun 23, 2011 21:41:17 GMT
I'm wonderin how many adhd females have pmdd, or more tendency for it, versus standard pms. It hasnt' been raised on here until the OP mentioned it.
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Post by boo on Jun 23, 2011 23:42:18 GMT
thats cos when it occurs to us, we are usually in the middle of a great big stomping fest in RL and then once we are calm again we've forgotten all about it..... as if by magic ........ ;D
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Post by twix on Jun 24, 2011 15:11:28 GMT
There is a link I think, its mentioned in the book by Sari someone about women and ADHD.
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Post by boo on Jun 24, 2011 18:47:47 GMT
i've got that book somewhere, and yeah i vaguely remember it being mentioned i'm sure
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Post by kreate on Jun 27, 2011 20:06:41 GMT
Im female i think (possible link between ASDs and Transgenderism lol), but im sorry i dont suffer much with PMS, erm...chocolate??
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