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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 0:01:37 GMT
I have been turned away buy the NHS, i dont know if anyone has read my older threads, but yeh i was wondering where the best place would be for me to go to try and get a diagnosis, the nhs outright declined a diagnosis simply because i didnt seem fidgety while being interviewed etcetc
im 19, and live in north london, thanks in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 1:06:32 GMT
Sorry to hear that you are still having problems with the NHS skalpel.
I can't help you regarding private diagnosis (other than pointing you to the main aadd.org.uk site and checking the links on there). Hopefully someone will be along soon that can help more.
John
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 11:47:10 GMT
If you've never had treatment or diagnosis before I would sign up with bupa ASAP don't mention what's happened wait the 14 period for cover and then go private. It's so expensive without health insurance.they will then be able to refer you to a specialist.
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Post by goosey on Feb 2, 2012 12:42:29 GMT
skalpel, that's a crap outcome ! There are many symptoms of ADHD, I don't fidget all the time, I have learned to sit on my hands.....strategies we learn to fit in ! As jb suggested - follow the guidance on aadd.org.uk and ask to be referred to a psych who specialises in Adult ADHD ( someone here may help with a name). You can still go private, however that's not cheap as kameel says. It can be quick, but does very little if anything to help your NHS dx. kameel, ref you're advice on BUPA - a) That's deception b) BUPA need a GP referral - this referral then needs BUPA authorisation before you can see a specialist. I had to do this last year for a knee injury despite dx-ing the injury myself ! I wasn't allowed to refer myself direct as with a previous injury. They have obviously tightened up self-referrals. The mere fact that skalpel has already sought a diagnosis on the NHS will be on the medical records. So not mentioning this is irrelevant. Shiny might have more input, as she had a similar problem with her NHS dx.....or anyone else who has had a similar problem ??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 13:23:33 GMT
skalpel, that's a crap outcome ! There are many symptoms of ADHD, I don't fidget all the time, I have learned to sit on my hands.....strategies we learn to fit in ! As jb suggested - follow the guidance on aadd.org.uk and ask to be referred to a psych who specialises in Adult ADHD ( someone here may help with a name). You can still go private, however that's not cheap as kameel says. It can be quick, but does very little if anything to help your NHS dx. kameel, ref you're advice on BUPA - a) That's deception b) BUPA need a GP referral - this referral then needs BUPA authorisation before you can see a specialist. I had to do this last year for a knee injury despite dx-ing the injury myself ! I wasn't allowed to refer myself direct as with a previous injury. They have obviously tightened up self-referrals. The mere fact that skalpel has already sought a diagnosis on the NHS will be on her medical records. So not mentioning this is irrelevant. Shiny might have more input, as she had a similar problem with her NHS dx.....or anyone else who has had a similar problem ?? no deception would be not telling them if you have had treatment or diagnosis. I was saying don't mention to them about the doctor not giving diagnosis. it's irrelevant information and will only make them pry. don't call me a fucking liar or saying i'm trying to make someone commit fraud. you really are a petulant one... i wish you would just stop commenting to me or any of my posts. i do not require any of your comments or advice. i grew up with insurance my whole life in the US and i'm perfectly clear on how it works and what fraud is thanks.
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Post by goosey on Feb 2, 2012 14:01:08 GMT
I didn't call you a liar AND I'm not being petulant..... The deception occurs when you initially take out the insurance and provide false information. Fraud happens afterwards....ie seeking the rewards of that deception. I'm thinking ahead so when questions are asked skalpel can be honest with the answers. It's difficult enough to remember back to childhood behaviours without having to be tactical as well. Thoughts in skalpel's head = < don't mention the NHS problem....don't mention the NHS problem> I'm merely pointing out that your suggestion was helpful, but not thought through properly. The experience you talk about is from the US and you should have pointed that out in your reply. As you don't have the NHS in the states, you probably don't understand how they can inter-link. BTW....my comments were mainly for others who may be seeking similar advice and thinking about trying your idea. Don't be so paranoid !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 14:31:15 GMT
who the fuck do you think you are to make such a sweeping assumption that I would lead someone to deceive an insurance company??? leave me alone for gods sake i don't want your comments to my replies. fuck off.
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Post by phil on Feb 2, 2012 14:44:13 GMT
Bbbbbbbrrrrrr bbbrrr bbbbrrr bbbbbrrrrr COCKA DOODLE DOO ;D
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Post by goosey on Feb 2, 2012 14:47:38 GMT
If you've never had treatment or diagnosis before I would sign up with bupa ASAP don't mention what's happened wait the 14 period for cover and then go private. It's so expensive without health insurance.they will then be able to refer you to a specialist. Err hello....this is how I came to that assumption !! 'Don't mention what's happened'.........this omission of information is the deception you deny advising ! Swear all you like...however, it won't help skapel or others seeking help on this forum !
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Post by phil on Feb 2, 2012 14:50:13 GMT
The gig's up steph we know you're a daily mail jurno here to sabatarge the positive coo coo!
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Post by goosey on Feb 2, 2012 15:14:10 GMT
skapel, to answer your original question.... .before it was ambushed (sorry) !! Re Private Dx - The Maudsley Hospital has an excellent reputation, with very good specialist ADHD psych's. Think it's in South London. A few on here have gone there.....and very happy with the service.....but it is costly. HTH
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Post by goosey on Feb 2, 2012 15:31:12 GMT
This is from the BUPA website......for things they do not cover..... Pre-existing conditions - Any disease, illness or injury for which in the 7 years before your start date: you have received medication, advice or treatment; or you have experienced symptoms - whether the condition was diagnosed or not.
Suggest how you can explain a hx of ADHD without it being a 'pre-existing' condition ??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 17:41:27 GMT
skapel, to answer your original question.... .before it was ambushed (sorry) !! Re Private Dx - The Maudsley Hospital has an excellent reputation, with very good specialist ADHD psych's. Think it's in South London. A few on here have gone there.....and very happy with the service.....but it is costly. HTH It's not costly - it's NHS. www.slam.nhs.uk/service-finder/service-details.aspx?su=SU0294¤tPage=0I wouldn't give up - I'd be writing letters, making phone calls, complaining and using any mechanism possible to get attention. Insisting on second opinions and appeals to the PCT, on the basis of individual need, would top my agenda. I don't believe in giving up.
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Post by goosey on Feb 2, 2012 17:50:23 GMT
Ah, sorry my mistake......is Dr C based there ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 17:53:09 GMT
Dr Cubbin was a locum consultant there but has now gone completely private (mutter).
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Post by goosey on Feb 2, 2012 17:56:52 GMT
That's where my confusion came from !!........Shiny says she's lovely ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 23:12:50 GMT
Argh. Somebody used the 'i' word.... *sigh* The Goose is right that it would be tricky to get a claim past a health insurer like BUPA, skalpel. I work for a major life insurer. I know for a fact that if we smell a rat - and claiming on a mental illness the minute the moratorium period is over would smell whiffy, trust me - the claims team will ask the GP for a report to check whether you failed to disclose anything relevant that would have affected our view of your 'riskiness'. We'd be told that you had sought treatment for mental problems and you'd be found to have non-disclosed. Silence isn't an excuse - insurers will routinely ask you to disclose any unresolved issues that you've sought treatment for, or ongoing investigations or referrals, as well as past treatments etc. Your claim would be repudiated, policy possibly cancelled, and premiums returned. It would be a matter of record that we had rejected a claim and cancelled the policy, and insurers tend to share that sort of info to prevent fraud. Extremely tricky to get life/ med/ income/ critical illness etc insurance thereafter. Going to BUPA would be risky, unlikely to succeed, and with a nasty sting if it failed, is what the Goose is saying. And I agree. I believe Dr Leon Rosewicz in Harrow sees private patients as well as NHS, and doesn't require a GP referral (although he would want some medical history if planning to prescribe, I believe). Don't know him, don't know what he's like, just what I've heard. And now, dear readers, the lecture. ;D Insurance began with groups of friends getting together to pool resources and share risks. Mutuals. Cooperatives - sound familiar? If you have life insurance to provide for your dependents if you die, your monthly premium is going into a pooled fund that pays out claims. It's still that same old-fashioned system, just bigger, a bit slicker, and with a few computers and clever mathematicians (mostly autistic ) doing the sums. The insurer's job is to 'price' the risk - set premiums - based on what you've told them about your health and lifestyle; then to invest the money to make sure there are sufficient funds to pay out the claims that the clever punters and actuaries tell them will arise. Fiddly. They don't want to make insurance over-expensive, as that's not fair on people who don't claim; but equally, if they charge too little or pay out more often than they expected to have to... at the extreme, the fund goes bust (very, very rare for a life fund). More commonly, premiums have to go up to ensure funding for future claims. Anyone notice what's been happening with motor insurance premiums since whiplash claims went industrial? Would you take a bet if you thought the other party had rigged the deal? So - don't be honest with your insurer if you like - breach the good faith at the core of the insurance contract. Plenty folk do it and get away with it. But please don't rationalise what you're doing away by telling yourselves that it's just the fat cats earning a bit less of a bonus. That's not how it works; insurers aren't banks, robbing Peter to pay Paul and taking a cut for themselves. You're really stealing from other policyholders with the same need for protection as you, but who disclosed honestly and paid fairly for their cover. Rant almost over. I get quite cross when I hear people talk like insurance is free money and ripe to be exploited. I know that people feel sore if a claim is rejected or reduced - some insurers are pretty hardcore about sticking to the terms - but they're really just trying to balance the books for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 14:18:35 GMT
to explain my confusion, the title of the thread said to me that this person had not had a diagnosis. only discussed the matter and was told there was something else wrong with them. therefore if they were to go to the insurance company and not tell them they did not have a diagnosis and wanted the insurance to get private care to get a diagnosis, i did not see that as deception. obviously one must be honest about ones per-exisiting conditions, as if not it would be fraudulent. I would never advise someone to decieve an insurance company or anyone for that matter (maybe you might think back about my response and views on the receiving of benefits a while back) thus would tell you maybe you are misunderstanding me or I am misunderstanding the OP that they have not had a clinical diagnosis of ADHD so therefore could in theory still be diagnosed by a private doctor under Bupa insurance. I said don't mention what's happened as its irrelevant as it wasn't a diagnosis and would only upset the OP more with all the fuss and prying. THIS is why i said what i said. take it or leave it. I'm not a liar, i would not encourage anyone to be a liar and i loath when people put words in my mouth or make me feel like a tit. I especially do not like when people tell me what to do or how to be or what to say. I do not like how Goosey speaks to me and i don't care to listen to her in future, ever.
the end. take it or leave it i'm done in this thread thanks, and before you say it Phil, don't address me. I don't care.
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Post by phil on Feb 3, 2012 15:40:56 GMT
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Post by phil on Feb 3, 2012 15:46:59 GMT
steph stop idol chit chat sort ambles bipolar out! ;D
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Post by phil on Feb 3, 2012 15:50:04 GMT
you know the condition i just shit stir about! prove you're worth you are the vet ;D
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Post by phil on Feb 3, 2012 15:54:24 GMT
we are all mamals with feeling, hearts, souls, and emotions ;D
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Post by phil on Feb 3, 2012 15:56:36 GMT
if we lose him i knows who i'm blaiming
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Post by phil on Feb 3, 2012 16:09:00 GMT
you crack a nut you could use- nut crackers you're shoe or in some cases the truth
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 19:28:40 GMT
Keep it on topic please - random/tangential posts won't help Skalpel.
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Post by goosey on Feb 3, 2012 19:58:54 GMT
Forgive me if I'm wrong.....but the whole idea of advice on here is that it is both practical and do-able.
Adders have the skill of lateral thinking, however we are also very impatient and very impulsive. Seeking a dx tests our patience and also our problem solving skills.
The advantage of this forum is that many folk have successfully made it through the dx maze. Some private, some NHS and a lot have experienced both. We use our knowledge and experience to help others.
There are some 'lucky' folk on here who have met me and others who know me via 'chat'. They would (hopefully!) vouch for me when I say that - I talk honestly but fairly. I have a dirty SOH and am cheeky ....but I am not a malicious person on a witch hunt.
PD offered skalpel the best advice on how to fight the NHS, as ultimately they offer the best long term solution post dx. Private prescriptions and follow-up appointments are financially unsustainable for most folk on here (unless you know a good money tree !).
If I was advised to wait 14 + months AND be £100's out of pocket....and still have no dx....I'd immediately commence 'Operation Toothbrush....The Sequel with added extras' !!!!! ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 13:37:34 GMT
I asked about maudsley before, and planetdave told me i cant go there without a GP referral? so now im confused as fuck! lol everyones tellings me something different and its really mindfucking me, i have contacted dr cubbins today, and waiting for a reply back. I did tell her about my situation with the nhs surely that wont affectt he diagnosis? also, im wondering about the costs, i about about 1,500 in my bank account, surely that would be enough for an initial diagnosis, im not worried about post-diagnosis prescriptions etc for the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 15:11:28 GMT
I asked about maudsley before, and planetdave told me i cant go there without a GP referral? so now im confused as fuck! lol everyones tellings me something different and its really mindfucking me, i have contacted dr cubbins today, and waiting for a reply back. I did tell her about my situation with the nhs surely that wont affectt he diagnosis? also, im wondering about the costs, i about about 1,500 in my bank account, surely that would be enough for an initial diagnosis, im not worried about post-diagnosis prescriptions etc for the moment. - South London and Maudsley is NHS and the NHS clinics want a GP referral.
- Some private specialists want a GP referral
- Some private specialists accept self referral
There is no need to worry about your position with the NHS if the specialist accepts self referral - they know what the NHS is like and the state ADHDers can get into and the diagnosis is made on what they see when you turn up.
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