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Blahh
Mar 24, 2013 20:42:23 GMT
Post by mighty on Mar 24, 2013 20:42:23 GMT
Hi, Too incoherent to write coherent. So I'll write the words as they pass through my fingers. On a serious note, help me get motivated. Although that's not serious not really, it's not like a big thing in the context of everything. But still, help me do that. Got so much stuff to do that is important, but I just want to be creative and go on a silent retreat, and philosophise about everything and nothing. That is important to me, but not to the ones that I currently have to impress! Decided when I next go home, I'm going to make a huge effort to talk to my parents. They're not together but I need to make peace with them both separately and move forwards Words and writing are amazing, but they are limited. Urgh gonna stop being preachy! Don't forget how cool and great and bright and brilliant you are How great would it be if abstract thoughts were an accepted form of currency? I think they would be if bright out-the-box people were in the majority. Would be a great society, without poverty. Shhh yes it would. Everything comes down to how people are, doesn't it? You know how people blame religion, politicians, violent films, all that... what it really boils down to is the way people are, and how there are those who mindlessly follow. But there are great people too, great religious people, great people who watch violent films.. and POSSIBLY some great politicians!
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Blahh
Mar 24, 2013 21:27:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 21:27:10 GMT
Is space any more real than religion?
Do people kid themselves that space is somehow more tangible than religion?
I'm in the 'who cares' camp for both but when someone is so vehemently atheist yet has wholly subscribed to all third party info they can get their hands upon about space, it makes you wonder?
What personally-unverifiable beliefs do you have? Why do we have them? Is it the glimmer of hope?
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Blahh
Mar 24, 2013 22:24:16 GMT
Post by mighty on Mar 24, 2013 22:24:16 GMT
I just mean, people say things like "religion makes people do bad things" when really, people make people do bad things, and some people just do bad things because they are misguided, whether via religion or otherwise..
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Blahh
Mar 26, 2013 18:03:11 GMT
Post by claudhopper on Mar 26, 2013 18:03:11 GMT
I'm atheist to my marrow. I have been since I was 10
Space... you mean all that stuff beyond the atmosphere? I experience that as an extension of my understanding of physics and technology and the society which produces and distributes it. It's a non issue ... meh!
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Blahh
Mar 26, 2013 18:05:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 18:05:48 GMT
Space is religion for geeks
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Blahh
Mar 26, 2013 18:24:47 GMT
Post by Kathymel on Mar 26, 2013 18:24:47 GMT
Space is religion for geeks Eh? Religion is a belief in something that can't be seen or proven. Space is facts and science. You can't make something an object of religion when it is there in front of you. It just is. You no more need to 'believe' in space than I need to believe in the socks I'm wearing today.
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Blahh
Mar 26, 2013 19:34:46 GMT
Post by claudhopper on Mar 26, 2013 19:34:46 GMT
Space is religion for geeks Is that an unsubstantiated assertion you proposed there? So presumably you'd say the same thing about other things beyond immediate experience: electricity? law? perhaps even adhd which produces the best geeks of course
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Blahh
Mar 26, 2013 19:38:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 19:38:55 GMT
You seem to be missing the point; have you personally verified it? How many times have you been to space? How many of your friends/family have been there? When is your next trip planned? What does space smell like? What does mars dust feel like? Everything you believe about space is someone else's extrapolation/opinion; unless you're in the 1% of the 1% of the... Religion is a belief in something that can't be seen or proven. Tell me how that's different for every day Joe where space is concerned? It's just another blind faith. Every day Joe knows he is never going to see it or prove it. In case it's not obvious, this is hugely tongue in cheek and has got the back up of almost everyone I've mentioned it to thus far
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Mar 26, 2013 19:41:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 19:41:56 GMT
Space is religion for geeks Is that an unsubstantiated assertion you proposed there? It's the product of a night out
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 22:47:43 GMT
Oh, come on. I haven't personally been to Australia, but I don't think that my belief that Australia exists is anything comparable with a religious faith in 'God'. The point is, surely, that 'God' cannot, and will not, ever be verifiable by anyone.
Science is a process of hypothesis and testing/validation leading to a narrowing of possibility and strengthening of plausibility.
Theism will only ever be a matter of faith.
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Blahh
Mar 26, 2013 22:56:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 22:56:16 GMT
I don't think I've been to Scotland yet...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 23:10:14 GMT
I don't think I've been to Scotland yet... Heading up there on Friday, like a salmon returning to...that place salmon return to
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Blahh
Mar 28, 2013 23:09:14 GMT
Post by li0nberries on Mar 28, 2013 23:09:14 GMT
Oh my GOD oooshiny, you go to Scotland to make babies, same time, same place, different daddy, every year! We're, so lucky. My partners aunt has a croft on Isla we go to. I've got family in some of the remoter village/farming communities in Cumbria and my mother in law lives in a very sensible middle classed terraced house, but its in Yorkshire, so lots of open spaces close by. In terms of mightys original post. YOU'VE TYPED RIGHT OUT OF MY HEAD! I believe in space, I have endless comments that, that's where my mind is. And certain shall we say, extra ciricular activities in my younger days, have meant I've been there :-). I had a much nicer night with the stars than my poor friend who I apparently left behind to be forced into marriage with a very ugly oak tree . I don't know that I'm religious, probably spiritual is closer to it. I believe there is a greater consciousness out there than mankind. I think everyone is born with the same basic ideas of right and wrong eg don't kill, don't force someone to have sex. As children grow up they are taught to think with their mind but they are not taught in a lot of cultures to listen to their instincts and look honestly at themselves to understand right and wrong. Instead they are taught that to learn right from wrong they must follow what the adults who have power over their lives like parents, teachers, policemen, religious leaders etc....tell them. I do this with my own children, and although I try and help them understand why I've come to these conclusions, I do want them to be more comfortable conforming than I am in the same way given the choice I would choose for them not to be born gay. The reason for this is not because I feel it is "right", it is solely because I want life to be easier for them. The reasons I believe in " a power greater than myself", is because I feel that throughout my life, it has been proven to me, without me looking for it and for a large part of my life without me wanting it. I don't tend to discuss it, unless it comes up in one on one conversation with close friends because it feels very personal. It's strange because I'm not ashamed of my views and I find it interesting having them questioned, rather than threatening or unpleasant. Finally, having only visited without my body :-), I now can't stop wandering what space smells like. Thanks Michael!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 7:27:37 GMT
Oh my GOD oooshiny, you go to Scotland to make babies, same time, same place, different daddy, every year! I prolly should have chosen my metaphor a little more carefully... ;D
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Post by DKL - darkknightslover on Mar 29, 2013 9:25:04 GMT
The point of science is that you share ideas and test them. The results of which can be retested by someone else and verified. Everything is published and peer reviewed. "Opinion" changes based upon the evidence available at the time. You can have published papers that draw a theory together from others' work, "hey I've had a thought, what do you guys think?" (Allows for people without equipment/time to introduce a theory for others to work on) and others where they simple publish results of an idea "I was looking at this and did this and got this.... Here's what it could be, but I dunno. Can someone check it out?"
Also technology and theories change over time which leads on to further discoveries as more accurate and precise measurements are made, ideas are stumbled upon, and new things are observed. Take Newton and Einstein.
Religion is quite different. "X is true because this book tells us higher being says so." And disregard anything that proves otherwise. (Apart from Ba'hai which states that anything it asserts which is then shown to be incorrect by science then becomes legend. If I remember correctly). The fact the book(s) can contradict itself is not helpful, and it then becomes an opinion as to which bit you follow and how strictly you follow it. If the religion is very old often it won't have guidance as how to deal with certain situations that didn't exist at the time of writing (and no new books or testaments from God are allowed, which is why the Catechism exists in the Catholic Church). Such as IVF, GM, electricity, nuclear power, and many many other things besides.
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Blahh
Apr 17, 2013 15:06:08 GMT
Post by supine on Apr 17, 2013 15:06:08 GMT
You seem to be missing the point; have you personally verified it? How many times have you been to space? How many of your friends/family have been there? When is your next trip planned? What does space smell like? What does mars dust feel like? Everything you believe about space is someone else's extrapolation/opinion; unless you're in the 1% of the 1% of the... Religion is a belief in something that can't be seen or proven. Tell me how that's different for every day Joe where space is concerned? It's just another blind faith. Every day Joe knows he is never going to see it or prove it. In case it's not obvious, this is hugely tongue in cheek and has got the back up of almost everyone I've mentioned it to thus far Tell you what, I bet you've never experienced so the called crushing depths of the ocean floor, but I bet you believe that it would kill you. Relying on scientific, verifiable and reproduceable evidence isn't an act of faith.
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Blahh
Apr 17, 2013 15:47:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 15:47:36 GMT
Like I said, my drunken ramblings got the back up of quite a few people
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Blahh
Apr 18, 2013 8:22:03 GMT
Post by supine on Apr 18, 2013 8:22:03 GMT
You didn't get my back up, you clearly said in your post you were posting tongue-in-cheek - I was just pointing out a flaw in your argument.
You make it sound like that's what you were trying to do, bit of an odd place to troll imho (an ADHD forum)
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Post by DKL - darkknightslover on Apr 18, 2013 20:20:25 GMT
Pointless faux-ignorance. Worse than actual ignorance!
Supine's right. I'm going to go one step further and ask you nicely to keep your drunken fingers away from this forum. It's like shaking a red flag at a bull!
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Blahh
Apr 18, 2013 22:21:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 22:21:34 GMT
I was just pointing out a flaw in your argument. lolwut Seeing as we're on an ADHD forum, I'm just going to ignore this and assume you both read half of my post and then IMPULSE forced you to hit reply because your space-blankey now feels dirty. Do us all a favour and resist the temptation to keep reviving this pointless thread. <--- smileys. There we go; we're all happy again!
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Blahh
Apr 19, 2013 11:41:05 GMT
Post by supine on Apr 19, 2013 11:41:05 GMT
I was just pointing out a flaw in your argument. lolwut Seeing as we're on an ADHD forum, I'm just going to ignore this and assume you both read half of my post and then IMPULSE forced you to hit reply because your space-blankey now feels dirty. Do us all a favour and resist the temptation to keep reviving this pointless thread. <--- smileys. There we go; we're all happy again! You insult and then pretend it's all happy-clappy to avoid further conflict. I agree, we should let this thread drop before it gets personal.
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