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Post by Notlonelyinacrowdnow on May 23, 2013 16:07:43 GMT
Has anyone done any of this I'm looking Into having a go.., The way I see it is up till last year I was unaware I had ADHD aged 47 I'd made it through thus far 4 kids 24+ years of marriage ok I'd changed Jobs & Homes a lot over the years I'd also done some silly spending debt ect.. But I coped.. Then lost my mum had a mini breakdown lost my inner self somewhere and became reclusive and just not me anymore so Being on meds sort of helps bit deep down I feel it's just masking real issues that I haven't dent with or maybe I just need to work my way through Negative thoughts .. The prospect of years on meds doesn't boad well at the moment and I'm hesitating to carry on with them xx
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Post by simonwgill on May 23, 2013 16:20:25 GMT
My opinion on this is - don't spend much money on it. There are lots of people with promised fixes that do more harm than good. I've been dipping my toes in that water for years looking for something, and it's just not there.
You would be much better served talking things through with a counsellor or therapist. Since you are on meds, I suspect that you'll be able to deal with your mental health team quite quickly.
CBT works well for dealing with the loop between thought and behavior. I've been through it a couple of times and it does help a little. There are a series of books that show you how to go through the process yourself. I own Overcoming Depression, Overcoming Low Self-Esteem and Overcoming Perfectionism. All of which have helped, but I still don't have the drive to dig any deeper to fix myself any more.
NLP exercises are good for retraining reflexive thoughts but don't listen to the salesmen who will convince you that it can turn you into a superstar with just one more session.
*hug* you'll get through it. All those thoughts are only thoughts. Right now they feel like reality but you can change them. After all, you started thinking them some time, right?
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Post by JJ on May 23, 2013 16:28:04 GMT
I'd be cautious too and agree with everything simonwgill says xxxxxx
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Post by Kathymel on May 23, 2013 18:04:54 GMT
I require anything that I partake of to have been rigorously tested and peer-reviewed. There is not one iota of evidence to back up the claims of chakra healers and their like.
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Post by Notlonelyinacrowdnow on May 23, 2013 18:20:31 GMT
Thank you ALL I know each if you is right of course I feel we are all at times searching for the missing link and lots have jumped on the cash wagon and try to sell us this that and the other.. I will keep trying my Paul McKenna I can make you happy cd I find its relaxing and I fall asleep ( he always wakes me up at the end though lol It helps I feel lighter afterwards and jy thoughts are a bit slower... I'm going to ask my Gp about some CBT., Thanks for the sound advise xxx
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Post by Kathymel on May 23, 2013 18:33:04 GMT
I have a Paul McKenna cd, too. It is lovely and relaxing but, yes, there's always that waking up bit at the end.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 18:35:14 GMT
Anything is worth a shot, once.
Don't forget the empirical evidence of placebo! (and I mean that in the best possible way)
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Post by furiousfrog on May 23, 2013 18:42:44 GMT
Hmm, sounds like woo to me. You know what they call alternative medicine that's been studied, classified and empirically proven to work? Medicine.
What is it you want to fix?
ETA: on reflection, that sounded quite rude - my apologies. I have no problem with the idea of placebos but I tend to prefer practical things to do - CBT really helped me and if it's done well will get you really involved in improving beyond the sessions and would be a far better use of your money, imo.
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Post by Notlonelyinacrowdnow on May 23, 2013 19:04:54 GMT
Tbh I put a lot of how I've been last 18months to Ye ole Menopause.. Can't take any Hormone replacements due to Breast Cancer risks.. & so if i can just get over the worst I hope to maybe feel more like my old self.. Confident.. Cheery... Outgoing ... Daring .. Instead of Reclusive .. Zero self belief .. Hiding away inside my self...& negatives... I think I'm taking my meds not so much for ADHD but just to feel happier in my mind xx
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Post by Lesley on May 23, 2013 19:08:12 GMT
I'd concur with the idea of talking it through with a counsellor or therapist. And you might also want to look into Mindfulness Meditation. I'm doing a course in that at the moment and am finding it useful (though I seem to have just hit the 'novelty's wearing off' point. But it's now half-term so I'm going to give myself a break and then go back to it).
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Post by furiousfrog on May 23, 2013 19:30:09 GMT
I'm so sorry, it's not a great time to feel like that. CBT is definitely a good one to look into. See if you can get your GP to refer you to iapt (http://www.iapt.nhs.uk) - I had to wait a couple of months for the sessions to start, but I don't think I'd have got through the crap I've had just recently without them.
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Post by DKL - darkknightslover on May 24, 2013 7:35:03 GMT
Hmm, sounds like woo to me. You know what they call alternative medicine that's been studied, classified and empirically proven to work? Medicine. What is it you want to fix? ETA: on reflection, that sounded quite rude - my apologies. I have no problem with the idea of placebos but I tend to prefer practical things to do - CBT really helped me and if it's done well will get you really involved in improving beyond the sessions and would be a far better use of your money, imo. I love Tim Minchin! (Look up "storm Tim minchin" on you tube) Placebos have been shown to be more effective than nothing and are a show of how powerful the mind can be. Also interestingly placebo interventions have different efficacies depending on the mode of delivery. Injections are more effective than pills which are more effective than other things. There has also been research to show that different coloured and shaped tablets can have an effect on how effective a drug can be. I keep singing her praises, but it might be worth looking up Rebecca Champ. She's an ADHD coach, ran a self management pilot course, with Terry Laverty, I attended which I found very helpful, and is just about to finish her psychotherapy training. Sent from my GT-I9000 using proboards
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Post by furiousfrog on May 24, 2013 8:20:00 GMT
I love Tim Minchin! (Look up "storm Tim minchin" on you tube) Dammit, you found my source! I was hoping to look clever.. I must admit, I've found their website and I keep thinking I'll call them. Just haven't managed to get round to it yet(story of my life!) Notlonely... whereabouts are you?
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Post by Notlonelyinacrowdnow on May 24, 2013 8:40:32 GMT
I'm on Merseyside!!!
I realise placebos can and do work The mind is An Amazing thing .. I mean how could I go from smoking 30+ fags a day to nothing in just 3 he's whilst reading the Famous Easyway to give up smoking!!! Now hitting my 15th year and not had a craving since!!! So Yeh I am in effect searching for that something that will work in the same way almost I know it's out there it doesn't have to be Meds it's just finding it xx
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Post by Notlonelyinacrowdnow on May 24, 2013 8:41:12 GMT
In just 3hours of reading ( typing error x
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 8:45:27 GMT
I thought it was a Dara Ó Briain quip!
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Post by furiousfrog on May 24, 2013 8:57:14 GMT
He's said something very similar I think, although if you can find his routine on nct classes you should definitely watch it if you want to cheer yourself up! Notlonely - merseyside, eh? I'd definitely look at CBT via IAPT. This site appears to offer cbt locally to you and it looks like you can self-refer without going through the bloody gp. www.selfhelpservices.org.uk/our-services/
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Post by cheekybuddha on May 24, 2013 9:33:16 GMT
I am also into 'alternative therapies' and I believe the body and soul stil work in mysterious ways that we don't understand. Having said that, there is a lot of money to be made from vulnerable people that feel unwell and we need to choose carefully. It's also worth remembering that the medical and pharmaceutical industry are all about money; therapies, herbs and treatment that cannot be patented are not researched or promoted. I think gut instinct shouldn't be under estimated and there is no harm in trying something with an open mind, if your drawn to it and can afford it. I have a shaitsu treatment every month to help my energies flow and to help me relax. I carry a lot of tension in my back and shoulders if I'm not careful. I had a really bad lower back acute flare up for a year and a half, couldn't sit, stand or lie without pain. Had painkillers, physio, chiropractory, massage etc but the thing that fixed it was acupuncure, which I believe removed an energy blockage and the pain was instantly gone for first time in 18 months. All the best with finding what your looking for
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Post by simonwgill on May 24, 2013 10:09:47 GMT
Thinking on it, there are probably some better rules of thumb if you want to experiment.
Make sure it's done one on one - if you want to lose your faith in intrinsic human goodness look up Large Group Awareness Training. LGAT's are almost always a way to indoctrinate you into a cult (Scientology etc.) or shame you into thinking that because you can't do something, you need more practice and need to spend more money (i.e. the Sedona method).
Related to that is look at how much time and money is involved to start with and what the short term benefits are. If you're learning a skill, you need to learn something useful within the first session. If it's an ongoing therapy like massage track how much of a difference it makes for you and how long it lasts after the first session. The same kind of monitoring that's recommended during med titration ought to help with the second.
Make sure it makes sense to you. Taking things on faith and not properly incorporating them into your worldview will probably cause cognitive dissonance later on - and that is not fun. I think everybody here knows the clash between the beliefs "Everybody can cook dinner." and "It'll just burn again! I can't cook!".
Be curious. There are lots and lots and lots of thoughts about the body-mind interface. Most of them are probably wrong and there might be something right in there - but it's going to take a lot of investigation to work out which is which.
Watch out for scientific rationalisation and distrust of questions. There's a fantastic example in Hawkin's Power vs. Force. It claims to be a scientific explanation of how to use Applied Kinesology (itself soundly debunked but not to be mistaken with study of the muscles themselves) to access the great database in the sky. What it is is a barely coherent cobbling together of scientific-sounding words misused to make it all seem like it must be true. Even worse, he effectively says that anybody who questions it won't be able to use it and is an evil person to be helped/pitied/shunned.
All that should help protect you from the snake-oil peddlers a little.
I'd like to discuss this, but it would derail us here. New thread?
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Post by Notlonelyinacrowdnow on May 24, 2013 11:26:42 GMT
Lol some good comments all round I think DEFO looking into CBT xx
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Post by furiousfrog on May 24, 2013 13:08:16 GMT
Lol some good comments all round I think DEFO looking into CBT xx Fingers crossed you get it sorted and get to where you want to be. Keep us updated on how you get on!
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Post by furiousfrog on May 24, 2013 13:09:12 GMT
I'd like to discuss this, but it would derail us here. New thread? Definitely. I have concerns about this sort of thing too, so would be good to discuss.
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Post by DKL - darkknightslover on May 24, 2013 14:04:52 GMT
Medications, alternative therapies thread.
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