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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 11:57:05 GMT
Right then *girds loins* After a brainstorming session over, yet another, crappy lunch at the conference (did you go to the conference dave? ) I came up with a hypothesis. Following on from the old Hunter/Farmer theory If ADHDers are predisposed towards the hunter type then perhaps this would be reflected in body type ie tall/lean rather than short/broad. That's not to say you won't be a lardarse - we're decadent westerners afterall and eat piles of rubbish that we don't run off. Not enough lions, see. So are you tall/lean (under the flab) or short and built more for shifting hayricks? Don't despair if you look like an elephant sat on you - this is not a diagnostic criterion and the hypothesis posits a bias towards a body type rather than a rule. Remember to take into account your gender - we'll accept anyone over average height, for their gender, as tall. But I am tall, so there. Tick the bloody poll!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 12:03:27 GMT
Very scientific I'm of Irish extraction, and built for carrying peat. My people only ever hunted potatoes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 12:04:11 GMT
...quite enthraled at the thought of you girding your loins, though
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 12:16:20 GMT
*Ticks the short ass option but requests tractor is substituted for V8 *
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 16:30:07 GMT
Tall and was slim. Just need to lose appearance of being 6 months pregnant which I have acquired this year. I'm not. Pregnant. That is.
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Post by cheekybuddha on Oct 15, 2013 16:59:24 GMT
Petra you sound like my twin!
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Post by jan on Oct 15, 2013 19:07:16 GMT
tallish - def not short anyway - used to be lovely and slim ( what fuck went wrong i do not know ) - havn't clue how or where to tick wish could say was just made to look pretty - gather daffodils maybe EDIT my first succecful tick in a poll - aaaaww a special moment
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Post by grim on Oct 15, 2013 19:19:30 GMT
when does tall start?
I'm 5' 11 1/2" ,i used to be lean and looked tall,but now i weigh in at 105kg and look like a Volvo estate!
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Post by Kathymel on Oct 15, 2013 19:32:13 GMT
Average, but not in every way ...
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Post by JJ on Oct 15, 2013 19:37:12 GMT
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Post by JJ on Oct 15, 2013 19:54:49 GMT
. Grim - I love your new avatar
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Post by contrarymary on Oct 15, 2013 20:06:48 GMT
apparently average height for men is 5'9 - 5' 9.5 in wales - and for women 5'4 , so anything over that is tall
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Post by jan on Oct 15, 2013 21:02:58 GMT
apparently average height for men is 5'9 - 5' 9.5 in wales - and for women 5'4 , so anything over that is tall really ?- men in wales have sprouted up since i lived there then they used to all be little duts
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 22:23:03 GMT
Average, but not in every way ... Slim build Slim but with v fat genes Think I may have been one of those girls who flits between the groups, going for who's got most at that particular time Slim build - you could fall through grids!
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Post by computermandan on Oct 15, 2013 22:52:15 GMT
Tall and not-so-slim-anymore
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Post by mogli on Oct 16, 2013 1:01:40 GMT
wasn't sure which box to tick. I'm just under 6ft, is that tall? I've boxed and trained hard most my life so I'm in pretty good shape.. Not sure if I'd naturally be very lean if I didn't train though.
I've never heard of the theory that ADHD people could naturally be hunter-types, but I find it quite interesting. Any controlled aggressive activity is good for me mentally, and I've often said I'm not cut out for the modern world, always thought I'd be happier in a cave, hunting my own food and dealing with people I dislike in an old fashioned punch up rather than arguing/pretending to like them.. After telling people this they usually give me a funny look and tell me I'm psycho!
And now I'm probably gonna be up till 4am looking up your theory!.. Thanks mate.
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Post by computermandan on Oct 16, 2013 9:54:56 GMT
Mogli... that's very strange... I'd not made the link between the topic and what you said about living in caves... I've always said that we'd be better off living in caves without these massive wars and people talking nonsense and keeping secrets that I can't remember... office politics type stuff. whenever I've mentioned it people just laugh at me and say "errr yeah whatever dan!" maybe that's why i like fishing lol - out on my own chasing invisible beasts with no noisy interruptions
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Post by mogli on Oct 16, 2013 15:12:55 GMT
lol, its just how my mind works! after reading the op about ADHDers being predisposed towards the hunter type personality, My brain hears the word 'hunter' coupled with ADHD - which makes me think 'cool I would have been a hunter back in the day' - which leads to an image of me in prehistoric times hunting animals for food - Then I see myself wearing some Flintstone type clothing - to then seeing myself living in a cave (with my beautiful cavewoman girlfriend) - which then reminds me of what I've previously said to people about me not liking the modern world and living in a cave, hunting my own food... Which is probably totally irrelevant to everyone except me and my wonderful imagination.
But I think there may be something in this, maybe the ADHD lifestyle would suit a more basic, primitive lifestyle? I think I would anyway... Has absolutely nothing to do with height/hunter personality I know, I'm just saying!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 15:29:29 GMT
I quite like the idea of being carried to a cave by an athletic caveman, then having a snooze after he's had his wicked way with me, while he goes out and hunts for our dinner Or did I miss the point?
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Post by mogli on Oct 16, 2013 17:42:50 GMT
As long as you've cleaned the cave and prepared a fire to cook the food by the time he gets back...........
.......Which is highly unlikely if you're ADHD
My apologies for turning this thread into something completely irrelevant
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Post by jan on Oct 16, 2013 17:54:29 GMT
As long as you've cleaned the cave and prepared a fire to cook the food by the time he gets back...........
your hoping un you .. .....Which is highly unlikely if you're ADHD - more than highly unlikely i'd say - - - maybe thats where it all started going wrong My apologies for turning this thread into something completely irrelevantshould think so - like you'd ever see any of rest of us do that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 10:23:52 GMT
As long as you've cleaned the cave and prepared a fire to cook the food by the time he gets back........... .......Which is highly unlikely if you're ADHD My apologies for turning this thread into something completely irrelevant Actually...... The topics you're exploring might seem trivial but they're exploring ideas that 'conform' to the hunter ethos - not the idea of grabbing your tackle but of having an itch to break out and do something, anything, to break the tedium of living in a world of 'farmers'. And I got to bump my thread
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 10:54:39 GMT
Sorry, I managed to lower the tone of a topic I find really interesting It does make sense to be tall and slim if you're an explorer type, I'm thinking Bear Grylls, mmmm, sorry, wandered off topic a bit again....All that exploring would need a high metabolism, perhaps? Didn't the high protein hunter diet contribute to growing taller? Or am I just chatting complete nonsense? The idea of a cave type existence is genuinely appealing. Farmers get up at the crack of dawn and do the same thing each day. I could quite happily just get up whenever, see where the day takes me, and just move to a new cave when the old one gets too messy! I've read some odd theories about narcolepsy - some think it's an evolution of 'playing dead', which would have been advantageous for those of us too chicken shit to fight off predators. Another theory is that short bursts of sleep are better for explorer types. So my desire for an athletic caveman is just survival of the fittest I just have to compete with JJ
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Post by mogli on Oct 17, 2013 13:43:40 GMT
Sorry, I managed to lower the tone of a topic I find really interesting It does make sense to be tall and slim if you're an explorer type, I'm thinking Bear Grylls, mmmm, sorry, wandered off topic a bit again....All that exploring would need a high metabolism, perhaps? Didn't the high protein hunter diet contribute to growing taller? Or am I just chatting complete nonsense? The idea of a cave type existence is genuinely appealing. Farmers get up at the crack of dawn and do the same thing each day. I could quite happily just get up whenever, see where the day takes me, and just move to a new cave when the old one gets too messy! I've read some odd theories about narcolepsy - some think it's an evolution of 'playing dead', which would have been advantageous for those of us too chicken shit to fight off predators. Another theory is that short bursts of sleep are better for explorer types. So my desire for an athletic caveman is just survival of the fittest I just have to compete with JJ I'm the same, not that I'd ever thought of it before, but the farmers lifestyle would not suit me at all. I could happily take each day as it comes, would probably suit the life of a nomad really. To a certain extent my life has been a bit nomadic. I'm probably other-thinking it all now, but the hunter type existence does seem to fit quite well. Even just randomly thought, as an adult I still get some strange pleasure in finding very obscure hiding places and jumping out on people (friends/work colleagues, not random people!) almost like I'm creeping up on my prey! Okay I know I'm definitely other-thinking it all now! But my dog is half collie (sheep dog) and give him half the chance and he will try to round people/other dogs up as if they're cattle, and he's never seen sheep in his life. I do believe all animals and humans have hard-wired traits, even if we're not aware of it. And I don't think you lowered the tone.. I started it my mentioning my imaginary cave-woman girlfriend!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 14:11:32 GMT
Didn't the high protein hunter diet contribute to growing taller? No - it doesn't change your genes but an individual has a range of height potential - my early diet makes me marginally taller than my father who had a poorer upbringing, supposing that we had the same potential. A high protein diet (and therefore someone close to their height potential) will have no impact on offspring unless height attracts a mate with 'tall' genes. Height can be selected in or out (over generations) according to conditions - when it is a breeding advantage to be one type or another. Genes being what they are there is a constant shift but a certain randomness will remain in offspring which stops the community losing the diversity which allows it to exploit novel situations i.e. those that occur more quickly than breeding can adapt to. There are other factors at play eg the Inuit (Eskimos for those using old money) are distinctly 'round' but that's because they're optimised for survival in a cold climate even though they're (forced to be) hunters - and vice versa for hot countries.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 14:45:48 GMT
Didn't the high protein hunter diet contribute to growing taller? No - it doesn't change your genes but an individual has a range of height potential - my early diet makes me marginally taller than my father who had a poorer upbringing, supposing that we had the same potential. A high protein diet (and therefore someone close to their height potential) will have no impact on offspring unless height attracts a mate with 'tall' genes. Height can be selected in or out (over generations) according to conditions - when it is a breeding advantage to be one type or another. Genes being what they are there is a constant shift but a certain randomness will remain in offspring which stops the community losing the diversity which allows it to exploit novel situations i.e. those that occur more quickly than breeding can adapt to. There are other factors at play eg the Inuit (Eskimos for those using old money) are distinctly 'round' but that's because they're optimised for survival in a cold climate even though they're (forced to be) hunters - and vice versa for hot countries. All that is why I said 'contribute'. I wasn't thinking about a massive genetic shift. I was merely thinking the high energy diet may contribute to growth. I.e. being tall is a by-product of the hunter lifestyle, as opposed to an advantage. My survival of the fittest comment was tongue-in-cheek, but there is some truth to it. If I were living the hunter lifestyle, I'd be much more inclined to pick a tall man - surely longer legs are faster, and a long arm range is better for spearing prey? That doesn't make being tall a superior trait, just more advantageous for the hunter lifestyle.
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Post by JJ on Oct 17, 2013 15:57:03 GMT
Didn't the high protein hunter diet contribute to growing taller? No - it doesn't change your genes but an individual has a range of height potential - my early diet makes me marginally taller than my father who had a poorer upbringing, supposing that we had the same potential. A high protein diet (and therefore someone close to their height potential) will have no impact on offspring unless height attracts a mate with 'tall' genes. Dave, have you ever read about epigenetics - I think you'd find it interesting. It's about heritable changes that aren't caused by changes in DNA. Your DNA is your DNA, but other things can affect how the genes in your DNA are expressed - so you could have a gene for something in your DNA, but other factors then cause it to be switched off, or to come on at the wrong time etc. This change or the effects of this change can then be genetically passed on to future offspring and demonstrably affect them. So one factor that can cause changes in how your DNA is expressed is maternal nutrition in the first trimester. If there's a famine during this period, the offspring are affected and so are their offspring (higher obesity, cancer etc). I've also seen a few things on high protein intake - a quick glance looked like it was associated with higher birthweight and stronger bones. I've never read enough to know a lot about it, or whether it kind of gives some weight to Lamarkism (which was a theory before Darwin's that said you can pass on characteristics that you acquired during the course of your life).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 17:44:52 GMT
No - it doesn't change your genes but an individual has a range of height potential - my early diet makes me marginally taller than my father who had a poorer upbringing, supposing that we had the same potential. A high protein diet (and therefore someone close to their height potential) will have no impact on offspring unless height attracts a mate with 'tall' genes. Dave, have you ever read about epigenetics - I think you'd find it interesting. It's about heritable changes that aren't caused by changes in DNA. Your DNA is your DNA, but other things can affect how the genes in your DNA are expressed - so you could have a gene for something in your DNA, but other factors then cause it to be switched off, or to come on at the wrong time etc. This change or the effects of this change can then be genetically passed on to future offspring and demonstrably affect them. So one factor that can cause changes in how your DNA is expressed is maternal nutrition in the first trimester. If there's a famine during this period, the offspring are affected and so are their offspring (higher obesity, cancer etc). I've also seen a few things on high protein intake - a quick glance looked like it was associated with higher birthweight and stronger bones. I've never read enough to know a lot about it, or whether it kind of gives some weight to Lamarkism (which was a theory before Darwin's that said you can pass on characteristics that you acquired during the course of your life). Ooh, that sounds fascinating. I'm interested in genetics, but don't quite follow the technical stuff. I zone out when DNA strands or molecules or whatever get mentioned. What you describe explains why I have narcolepsy. It's caused by certain genes, but triggered by environmental factors.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 17:58:21 GMT
No - it doesn't change your genes but an individual has a range of height potential - my early diet makes me marginally taller than my father who had a poorer upbringing, supposing that we had the same potential. A high protein diet (and therefore someone close to their height potential) will have no impact on offspring unless height attracts a mate with 'tall' genes. Height can be selected in or out (over generations) according to conditions - when it is a breeding advantage to be one type or another. Genes being what they are there is a constant shift but a certain randomness will remain in offspring which stops the community losing the diversity which allows it to exploit novel situations i.e. those that occur more quickly than breeding can adapt to. There are other factors at play eg the Inuit (Eskimos for those using old money) are distinctly 'round' but that's because they're optimised for survival in a cold climate even though they're (forced to be) hunters - and vice versa for hot countries. All that is why I said 'contribute'. I wasn't thinking about a massive genetic shift. I was merely thinking the high energy diet may contribute to growth. I.e. being tall is a by-product of the hunter lifestyle, as opposed to an advantage. My survival of the fittest comment was tongue-in-cheek, but there is some truth to it. If I were living the hunter lifestyle, I'd be much more inclined to pick a tall man - surely longer legs are faster, and a long arm range is better for spearing prey? That doesn't make being tall a superior trait, just more advantageous for the hunter lifestyle. The whole idea came to me over lunch - knocking it around here might inspire someone to follow this, or any of the tangents, up a bit. I'm currently sitting by my phone awaiting a call from the Nobel committee
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 18:07:57 GMT
All that is why I said 'contribute'. I wasn't thinking about a massive genetic shift. I was merely thinking the high energy diet may contribute to growth. I.e. being tall is a by-product of the hunter lifestyle, as opposed to an advantage. My survival of the fittest comment was tongue-in-cheek, but there is some truth to it. If I were living the hunter lifestyle, I'd be much more inclined to pick a tall man - surely longer legs are faster, and a long arm range is better for spearing prey? That doesn't make being tall a superior trait, just more advantageous for the hunter lifestyle. The whole idea came to me over lunch - knocking it around here might inspire someone to follow this, or any of the tangents, up a bit. I'm currently sitting by my phone awaiting a call from the Nobel committee Sorry, couldn't be bothered to cut down the quote... I think you and JJ should team up and publish your thoughts
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