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Post by tesss on Jan 14, 2014 9:23:52 GMT
Enybody ever tried to create new habbits? What methods have you used for it?
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Post by twix on Jan 14, 2014 10:00:57 GMT
I have but without much success.
Having someone work alongside me can be quite helpful, as I get to see how they organise themselves.
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Post by fuzzywuzzy on Jan 14, 2014 10:12:21 GMT
Spurred on by Kathymel's thread on running out of petrol....which I do.....a lot.... I've been thinking of various methods I might use...I have stumbled upon one that is now working..... I am an avid football supporter.....as soon as I think "ooh, I think I need petrol..." I punch a hole through the football newspaper back pages referring to the rival team (which I'm keeping in the car) and place it over the gearstick......I am not allowed to remove it until petrol is purchased I'm sure this could be substituted with something else you don't like....and hung round the mirror, stuck to the dashboard etc. I am working on other habits......more anon.....
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Post by contrarymary on Jan 14, 2014 15:47:55 GMT
i have been working on the methods which i see are very neatly described in the free online CBT site recently recommended by someone on another thread (SO sorry that i don't remember who recommended it - do shout out and take a bow ). it's called Living Life To The Full and seems to have a step-by-step section for breaking / making new habits, tackling things you want to change etc is this the sort of thing you meant tesss ? or did you want something more specifically adhd?
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Post by contrarymary on Jan 14, 2014 15:58:31 GMT
ooo and i came across this one earlier today which is adhd-specific
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Post by random on Jan 14, 2014 16:00:12 GMT
I have but without much success. Having someone work alongside me can be quite helpful, as I get to see how they organise themselves. Perhaps it is just my awkward nature, but I find it hard to learn by other people's examples. If they are good at organising themeselves it just annoys me rather than allows me to learn.
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Post by DKL - darkknightslover on Jan 15, 2014 7:10:18 GMT
Make yourself accountable to someone else for improving. I had to report a daily shift log to supervisors every day. Because it was important to show how distracted I could get and how much work I was actually doing, I could understand why it was important and I would be in trouble if it didn't happen.
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Post by tesss on Jan 15, 2014 10:15:45 GMT
twix fuzzywuzzy contrarymary random @dkl - darkknightslover It might be long but I will try to keep it simple. What is learning? The learning proces in neurological point of view is creating new connections between synapsis in the brain. The new path is week in the beginning the knowledge is placed in short term memory. Later through repeating etc we get this connection stronger and stronger, up to the point it will became long term memory. We use it all the time to learn new skills, studying etc. but because our working memory we have problem to recall and use this knowledge. There is also more primitive way of learning. The creating connection between synapsis is still part of the proces but the way of doing that is more basic and doesn't involve much thinking. The second method, or the more primary one we use the most when we are new born children, and young children. This is the way how we explore world around and learn for example that we shouldn't touch hot things. It seams that during this way of learning the connections in the brain are straight away stronger. There is behavioral definition of this learning: the behaviour which is rewarded most likely will be repeated, hence behaviour which is punished most likely will not be repeated. Btw this is a method which is commonly used in animal training. As reward food is used the most, as a punishment lack of food. In training terms word punishment is avoided. I wont get dipper into this aspect now. Anyway I realised while ago the difference when I'm learning using thinking and when I use the basic way. When I tried to remember to for example to look at my lists, the thinking was involved, I got easily distracted and in the end I forgot to look at them. That way wasn't usefull. Later I thought about not learning it as a lets say skill but create more primitive habbit. How I tested/ implemented idea. I pinned to my board plastic cup with m&ms and each time I looked at it I took one. ( was written on the board to get one, just in case I will forget). After a quite short period I realised I look at them few times a day. I thought CBT therapy will be similar but it is more based on talking, getting different angle of thinking about situation what should lead to change in the behaviour. But for some reason I think that the idea of CBT was taken from behavioral studies, but the learning process was taken from higher shelf. I hope all of this make sense and isn't to long.
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Post by fuzzywuzzy on Jan 15, 2014 18:15:52 GMT
Ok.....another new habit I'm going to try.....as part of general......New Year = New You I'm always stuffing bits of paper.....albeit important ones......sometimes with cheques attached to them.....in my already ridiculously full handbag....... which, of course, when I want to find them....have..... (a) disappeared into the depths somewhere.... (b) disappeared never to be seen again, probably fallen out so, I have just gone and purchased these.....below......from W.H.Smith......different colours, one for school paperwork back and forth, one for Dad, who helps with most of my paperwork.....and two general ones for me.....'incoming'.....and....'outgoing' let's see how long it lasts
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Post by mighty on Jan 15, 2014 19:50:28 GMT
It takes 30 days to create a new habit apparently, or break an old one. So I'll usually choose the start of the month to start something new
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Post by lore on Jan 16, 2014 20:26:23 GMT
I came across this earlier: habitrpg.com/It might be useful but I've not tried it myself. The thing that puts me off all this stuff is the getting it all set up A friend linked me some really inspirational stuff last week after I was telling him how I really wanted to try to get some self discipline. I've actually been trying to put some of this stuff into practice and I think it might actually work! I'm going to give this its own thread but here it is anyway: www.reddit.com/r/getdisciplined/comments/1q96b5/i_just_dont_care_about_myself/Check out the response from "ryans01" - I've non-zero'd every day this week
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Post by fuzzywuzzy on Jan 17, 2014 3:09:34 GMT
Thank you lorethis post is brilliant
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Post by Kathymel on Jan 17, 2014 9:21:13 GMT
Accountability definitely works for me. Announcing that I'm going to do something, either on here or FB or in person to a friend gives it an edge that often helps me to focus for a bit. Not really a habit yet, though.
I have found that the Epic Win ap I've been using has lasted long enough to get a more habitual morning/evening routine in place. It's just a few simple tasks (loading the dishwasher, remembering to feed and water the dog as soon as I've had my breakfast, taking meds, remembering to put my blanket on) but it removes a few of the frustration/guilt pangs that I had daily before when I realised I hadn't done them.
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Post by fuzzywuzzy on Jan 17, 2014 9:32:42 GMT
Kathymel.....this is a very good idea.. ..hadn't really thought about telling someone else about planned activities to ensure greater likelihood of achievement....thx However, I regularly forget to water myself ....Just wondered if anyone else forgets to drink.... I know it really doesn't help if you already suffer from migraines... Does anyone have any ideas for ensuring this/reminding themselves? and apologies for going off track a bit
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Post by Kathymel on Jan 17, 2014 9:50:45 GMT
However, I regularly forget to water myself ....Just wondered if anyone else forgets to drink.... Yep, I do this a lot. No idea how to make it happen, though, other than setting alarms. Something slightly relevant ... I happened to read an article yesterday called something like, 'Myths that have become pseudo-medical facts' or something like that. One of the myths was the idea that you are supposed to drink 8 glasses of water a day. Apparently, the original article (from the 1940s, I think) had proposed 8 glasses of fluid, but over the years it has morphed into an insistence that it must be water. The article I read says it's just as good to drink other fluids, including coffee and tea. The only way I can make myself drink water is if there's something really nice in it. Like whisky.
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Post by tesss on Jan 17, 2014 10:06:16 GMT
I hate whiskey with water I forgot quite often to water myself. It is not good cos when I'm dehydrated for 2 days I develope straight away problem with kidneys. If it will stay that way around week I will have kidney infection :/ I have bottles of water everywhere Some fluids can dehydrate you even more. Tea and coffee does that. Drinking to much water isn't good as well cos you will flush out micro elements as well. Reasonable mix of different fluids will work. ( I've red something about osmotic fluids and water) Telling somebody about doing something is like creating motivation from outside. I do that a lot but unfortunately I went to far with it. Most of important things I motivated as something which needs to be done for somebody or something else than me. Now it is difficult for me to change this thinking. Like with my courses. Main reason was to make my family's life better. I lost important part, which is me in this equation. Now I'm trying to change it and I try to do things for myself. Gosh it is hard....
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Post by contrarymary on Jan 17, 2014 18:58:13 GMT
i found the article great too - thank you lore for posting it really inspiring. my past and future selves thank you v much too i also forget to water myself unless i make it part of a routine. it generally is, but i am easily distracted from my routine into not drinking, and not noticing that i haven't drunk. i seem to need to drink a lot more than most people i know, and always have done. not that i get kidney infections when i don't, unlike both my mother and daughter. gosh i'm tired. going to lie down and see if i can make any more sense when i've re-perfused my brain
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Post by Lesley on Jan 20, 2014 15:37:33 GMT
Hi Tess I don't know how you feel about reading, but I recently read two books about habits, both of which were interesting in different ways and both I feel potentially very useful (I say potentially because I haven't actually tried putting them into practice yet!). They're quite theoretical, not 'how-to' books, so although they do contain practical advice you have to sort of dig it out rather than it being presented to you. They are Jeremy Dean Making Habits, Breaking Habits www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Habits-Breaking-Changes-Stick/dp/1851689893 and www.spring.org.uk/making-habits-breaking-habitsCharles Duhigg The Power of Habit www.amazon.co.uk/Power-Habit-Why-What-Change/dp/1847946240 and charlesduhigg.com/the-power-of-habit/I managed to make pretty good notes on the Dean book (a first for me, and maybe a sign that the meds are working!). I don't know how useful they'll be for anyone else, as they were made with my interests in mind, not your's but I'm happy to try attaching them (never done that here before)/sending them/if all else fails copying and pasting them. I still also intend to make notes on the Duhigg book - have renewed it at the library several times - but by now will have to re-read it first.
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Post by Lesley on Jan 20, 2014 15:42:44 GMT
Attachment attached - or not, as the case may be. Habits.doc (28 KB)
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Post by contrarymary on Jan 20, 2014 15:42:52 GMT
hi tesss i also realised that a blog & book on strategies for adults with adhd that i just posted about might be relevant here too... so here's a link
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Post by contrarymary on Jan 20, 2014 16:28:13 GMT
@lesley those are brilliant notes - thank you v much for sharing your work. and i was particularly interested to read the bit about the basal ganglia and forming new habits. SO interesting
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