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Post by purplepower on Apr 19, 2014 19:31:13 GMT
She can only say no You need to be a bit proactive. I know it's hard, trust me I do! I'm sure she's edited them to remove anything specific to her work. Tell her that Mary and I sent you.
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Post by bluedrifter on Apr 19, 2014 19:42:31 GMT
Like many on here, I've had my fair share of challenges at work so it's not hard to relate to what you are going through. In fact I'm still in the middle of a situation so I can't post about it yet. Perhaps the biggest difference between you and I though is that I was already on medication when things kicked off so as difficult as it was/is, it's a whole lot easier than trying to manage without medication. I must admit I still wouldn't rule out going through the assessment now but not before putting in writing you are willing to do this on the consideration that you can take this assessment to your psych. The pysch could then validate the specific issues that are ADHD related, and perhaps give you an insight into any that aren't. I'm not sure if you are feeling well enough to do that though because you sound like you are at the end of your tether. The only thing I can suggest is keep focussing on what you can do. Best of luck! Thanks again, there's one thing that I'm not sure that I have informed you of, or perhaps I have, I just want to check.
I have already done the assessment at work about my competency, this is part of the problem, my manager did it before my psychiatrist appointment has occurred.
So I have been assessed as not meeting the competency requirements and my condition/symptoms have been judged as 'incompetent behaviour'.
But I have been unsupported with my employment role due to 'lack of supervision' as pointed out on the OHSAS letter that I posted here.
So in reality this 'incompetent behaviour' was a consequence of me not receiving the support required for me to properly perform my role, given my condition.
Can you state whether that I made all this clear already or is there something in this post that I had not communicated clearly on this thread previously?
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Post by bluedrifter on Apr 19, 2014 19:43:39 GMT
She can only say no You need to be a bit proactive. I know it's hard, trust me I do! I'm sure she's edited them to remove anything specific to her work. Tell her that Mary and I sent you. Thanks.
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Post by purplepower on Apr 19, 2014 19:50:29 GMT
Okay. I must have got confused with the self-assessment bit.
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Post by bluedrifter on Apr 19, 2014 20:05:38 GMT
It's ok, sometimes I end up creating confusion by posting too much information and expect people to accept it all, I want to thank you again for being helpful and supportive, I think that I could have communicated this all much clearer, I wish I'd posted the OHSAS letter first and then the bits about my psychology assessment & my psychiatry appointment and finally the bits about my competency assessment, so don't bother that you got a bit confused, as I have created this thread in a jumbled up manner.
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Post by contrarymary on Apr 19, 2014 22:14:36 GMT
bluedrifter it's really hard when there is so much STUFF that is going round and round our heads and we're trying to find a way to communicate complex information. we end up doing a sort of braindump in order to get it all out but it's not v comprehensible even (or esp) to us because there's so much of it and it's a bit convoluted. so we explain it and then explain it a bit more until we're completely lost and we've lost our audience. at this point i would normally try to write either a timeline of what has happened or headings to try and categorise information, or tryi to think of how to summarise it in 4-6 bullet points. or a combination of the above! sometimes it takes me 3 or 4 goes or i can't do it at all cos i can't actually "see" what i've written. which is all to say that your communication struggles are Normal for adhd. i think that the people who know about this stuff (like DKL, and planetdave who i won't tag cos he's on holidays) will be able to grasp what you were trying to say because of their own experience. there's a lot of info to process but we all do that esp when new or tired or stressed or excited.... and now take a break? maybe give yourself a couple of days off from thinking/explaining any of this. the rest of the world has taken a holiday for Easter and it sounds as tho you could really do with a break too. it's hard and stressful but you will get through it and it will get easier. hang in there. past my bedtime!
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Post by purplepower on Apr 20, 2014 4:38:26 GMT
You are okay Drifter. There's a real familiarity to how you write, even though it's a bit hard to process. Don't go editing any more post though because it just gets confusing. It may even be worth starting a new thread if you can do a succinct outline in the suggestion and format that you and Mary have suggested and maybe get your wife to read it first before you post it.. Then just edit the first post in this to put in a comment in bigger bold font saying "Please see other thread" and paste the link if you can... Just my thoughts though...
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Post by bluedrifter on Apr 20, 2014 6:52:49 GMT
Yes I could do most of that, do you think if I restarted this on another thread, that's laid out in a clearer fashion, perhaps if it's ok by people who have posted on this thread already, I could ask the moderators to delete this thread once another thread has been started?
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Post by purplepower on Apr 20, 2014 7:02:59 GMT
Be fine by me. Just keep it for now, firstly so DKL can see it and secondly so I can copy over any bits I need to
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Post by contrarymary on Apr 20, 2014 13:05:10 GMT
whatever you want to do is fine by me. this forum is full of untidy threads that fall down the list and off the bottom... we all have that thing about not liking stuff once it's "messed up" too.. them's all symptoms. so no-one else will mind either way and folk will understand too. whatever makes you happiest is what i would vote for.
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Post by chickster on Apr 30, 2014 7:50:27 GMT
I might be able to boil this down to a few simple concepts...your company don't feel you can do your job, and don't have the resources or maturity to support you. I'm an employer and if someone's personality and working style didn't fit The job they were hired for I would want them to leave if I didn't have another role for them inside the company. That's kind of the way work is, we can't afford ineffective or disruptive employees, we want everyone to get along...and my attitude is the attitude of all of them (I don't sound sympathetic, but I am, hugely, this is awful for you). As my own boss I can afford to do the jobs I'm good at and avoid the ones I'm not,but in the past I had to choose my work carefully, so have been on the other end (your end) too.
But human nature wants solutions not excuses. If you focus on how much you can change with medical treatment, and give them a time line it might give them more patience. And definitely take the assessment to your psych, it sounds like more than just ADHD, and you may well be depressed which can really make things a lot worse. I'm not big on reading long HR stuff, so apologies. But no matter how you spin it all the reports in the world won't change the fact that if you have a medical condition that's holding you back you need to get it treated, and if it's still holding you back you need to think that perhaps it's not the right company and job. People don't get ADHD, and I have stopped mentioning it now. Spending emotional energy and time on wanting them to understand you and make allowances for you doesn't help it just wastes time you could spend finding a job you are really well suited to. Trying to educate some mid level manager in polyester trousers about a complex neurological condition is like trying to train a dog to make you breakfast. Egg will be spilt.
I can't even get one of my best friends ( a counsellor!) to understand it properly, though she's slowly getting there bless her. My fault because I'm not very good at explaining it - it's a very complex, multi layered condition, and there's usually wine involved. People just rebel against the Ida that you should be able to behave 'badly' while blaming it on the ADHD..unless they see you doing EVERYTHING you can to control it. Once you are treated you can pick certain tasks that you may need more time with, or to do differently, and present them to your boss. But remember, always go with a solution..not a problem.
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Post by bluedrifter on Apr 30, 2014 9:23:28 GMT
I have not asked for any reasonable adjustments or anything from my employers that is not available to all other employees, the problem is that I have not been getting supervisions at the correct frequency as per policy.
Thus I am being assessed during periods where I was not receiving the agreed support.
I have my NVO that proves I can do my role, the problem is due to my aadd, the supervisions are important.
So it's not that I request maturity or resources from the company, only that they give me the agreed already in place support for employees before assessing my performance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 11:05:49 GMT
I had a similar experience - although performance reviews were done on me (about a third of what should have been done) they were never followed through and I never got to discuss/sign off the results with the line manager involved.
It once got as far as my team leader reading a review (confidential!) and telling the line manager he couldn't write 'that' about me.
There were also increasing bust ups with management and longer periods of my being off sick - all signs that oversight was completely inadequate before it eventually reached a denouement.
Other people not doing their jobs properly can damage you!
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Post by bluedrifter on Apr 30, 2014 11:22:33 GMT
I've been in contact with the head of HR, I've explained that I feel 'passive discrimination' as they know I'm meant to be getting my supervisions, but have assessed me during periods when I have not had them. I have stated that I'm aware of the relevant sections in The Equality Act, and the Disabled Discrimination Act, though I'd rather avoid such formality. It's just that I have no chance of doing well on the assessment tool, whist my supervisions were lacking. I think my message has been understood and accepted, though they insist I need a meeting to sort it all out, and decide what method will be used to ensure my supervisions are in place for a period that will be used to assess my performance... So I won't be back at work 'till then. I've started another thread about this where the all the information is clearer, please use that thread and hopefully this one will get buried. aadduk.proboards.com/thread/7861/off-work-again-revisitedit's getting confusing having two.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 13:09:59 GMT
Please use the other thread - click on the link below to be redirected click meTHREAD CLOSED
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