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Post by carly31 on Jan 8, 2015 17:14:41 GMT
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Post by blaze on Jan 9, 2015 12:59:25 GMT
Ads and adhd have high comorbidity but correlation doesnt proove causation. Ads are direct result of abuse or nelect adhd is a nuerodevelopmental disorder that has a significant genetic component that is believed to be switched on by smthing in utero or prem birth/oxygen deprivation at birth.
There is a proposed diagnosis of deveoplemental truama disorder to cover cases where z
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Post by blaze on Jan 9, 2015 13:02:10 GMT
What I meant is cases that present like adhd but where truama is the underlying cause, not adhd itself. That maybe what your looking for.
Btw I identify with ads (as a kid), dtd, and have diagnosis of adhd abd previously ptsd (complex ptsd according to t but dx isnt is dsm so cant be officaly given out)
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Post by carly31 on Jan 16, 2015 0:04:06 GMT
I've been thinking about how attachments form our brains in our early years. My therapist says it's learnt behaviour but I don't totally agree with her there. ADHD is thought to be genetic and apparently there is something different about our brains. If an infant is stressed, there's going to be a lot of hormones surging at a time the brain is developing. Therefore parts of the brain like the amygdala will develop differently? Causing a developmental disorder? or at least what looks like one. But if the structures inside the brain have been changed beyond the range of neurotypical, can the brain ever go back to how it was meant to be? If it's learnt behaviour, why can't I learn to stop spending all my money? Why can't I learn to be organsied? Why do I go insane if I don't do exercise? Everything I do requires novelty and once that's gone, I'm back to square one. They don't know what causes ADHD. It's pretty certain to say that it most definitely exists. I found this interesting essay www.psykologtidsskriftet.no/index.php?seks_id=31533&a=4. According to this paper AD and ADHD have the same gene in common. Not all children who develop AD have abusive parents. Maybe they're unavailable because of their own ADHD?
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Post by blaze on Jan 16, 2015 7:51:45 GMT
The vast majority of cases of attachment disorder have very abusive/negligebt parents from day one. Its a v hard diagnosis to get, much harder than adhd, or even odd.
There are a number of problems with this article, first the gene that is suggested to have links with both is also suggested to have links with a huge number of oth er r developmental diorsers, mental health disorders and phyical health problems like pain disorders etc
The writer also talks about negative attachmebt patterns as attachment.disorders, while theres dispute over this in general terms dsm etc are clear there only is reactive attachment disorser, two subtypes, and that bowlbys anxious, avoidant and disorganised patterns of attachment are types of attachment not attachment disorders.
The article ckearly poinys out causation cant be established, and looking at one example realy doesnt mean anything in comparrison to evidenced based reseach, it anecdotal, not data.
While his name is a dirty word on here
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Post by blaze on Jan 16, 2015 8:01:45 GMT
Sorry, child jumped on me,
Bruce perrys work on how the brains of seriously abused children develop differently is interested, while it may not apply directly the basic explaination of how sensitized areas of the lower brain become enlarged is helpful to me because it explained how,my past means my brain will allways be more reactive because we cant change the size of the lower parts. What can change is.how the brain is sensitized now, as its use dependant the higher levels reaponsible for emotions and cognitive function can becone more sensitized as we use them, while this doesnt totaly over rid the 'lizard brain' it does give us balance and skills to manage the emotional reactivity. Strike victims are able to relearn or retrain other parts of their brains because of the same functionality. There are lots of things I cdnt do or cdnt stop myself from doing, but 12yrs+ of meds or actively manage it I can help atleast half od these issues if not more. With adhd its geeraly considered more effective to trwat the dopamine etc first for people to be more able to effect change.
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Post by carly31 on Jan 17, 2015 21:50:50 GMT
It's like the chicken and the egg! I wonder then, if attachment styles, as well as attachment disorder, can look like adhd? Maybe my more autistic, obsessive compulsive pd traits could be attachment style coping mechanisms. My mum was depressed and emotionally unavailable. She did her best, no doubt about it. I do find it very interesting and it's been really interesting talking to you too. I presume then that you have a diagnosis of both? How did they differentiate?
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Post by blaze on Jan 18, 2015 6:52:12 GMT
No, I have a dx of adhd, and idebtify with alot of rad (actualy I dentify with alot of conditioned response) as a child. I have ptsd on my.medical recorreds but its along time ago as nd I dont remember that psych. The private truama pysch I saw early/mid twentys said I had complex ptsd, and disorangaised attachment patterns.
I spent over adecade working with kids/teens in care or adult m, all the kids of whom have negative attachment patterns, a few of the most extreem have rad (and it wasahuge long fight to get those dx) and almost all have adhd or other developmental disorders. Adult mh was most schizophrenia, sm bpd, no dx attachment disorders but clearly there were sm whose background suggested negative attachment patterns.
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