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Post by dizzydumpling on Feb 4, 2015 0:06:42 GMT
I've moved this post from the 'Venting' board as it will probably get more views here and hopefully encourage more people to complain. I've also cleaned up the ranting and rude words! For those who aren't as sad as me and don't watch the nightly sh*tfest that is Celebrity Big Brother, on last night's show Katy Hopkins said of Perez Hilton “"if that was my child, I'd kill it", before turning to him and remarking “You're like the ADHD kid that didn't get their meds”. She then went on to claim that she didn’t believe ADHD is a real condition. In response to this Michelle Visage, who in my opinion has never shown any sign of ADHD (although I’m aware Big Brother is heavily edited) went on to claim that she was diagnosed with ADHD but believes that it is very much over-diagnosed, thus adding credence to Hopkins’ comments. Katie Price then commented that her son has ADHD and that she found the comments offensive, but Katie Hopkins showed no sign of remorse, insisting that she has a right to her opinion. Whilst I agree that Hopkins does indeed have a right to her opinion, as a ‘celebrity’ she has more influence than most and I believe that Channel 5 knowing this, have a responsibility to ensure that any discriminatory or disablist remarks she makes are not aired. Whilst it's too late for that now, there's still time to put pressure on Channel 5 to remove Hopkins from the house, or at the very least force her to apologise publicly and admit that she is not qualified to be making statements as to the existence or otherwise of any developmental disorders if she wishes to stay there. I’ve already complained to Channel 5, and Ofcom as well as emailing Mind and Rethink urging them to complain, as I believe that the knock-on effects of discrimination such as that being promoted by Hopkins contributes greatly to mental ill health among people with ADD and other invisible disabilities. For anyone else who wishes to complain here’s a link to Ofcom's complaints form consumers.ofcom.org.uk/complain/tv-and-radio-complaints/a-programme-I-saw-or-heard/. Your complaint is limited to 1500 characters and it won’t let you use apostrophes or inverted commas – if you copy and paste them it it converts them to hypertext or something weird!) Also, here is Channel 5’s email address: customerservices@channel5.com and complaints number: 0844 409 6453Please help get the complaints flooding in to Ofcom before this woman is crowned queen of the bloody house or whatever it is she might be in line to win on Friday!
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Post by Mouse on Feb 4, 2015 0:14:19 GMT
I don't want to suggest you might be showing your age missis (suspect you younger than me!) but in the title you refer to 'Mary Hopkins' LOL !! Cant remember how to type the smiley for huge grin!! Those were the days, my friend! I had CBB on earlier but had totally zoned out so have missed this. Will watch again. CBB is edited to heighten the controversy - shame the directors appear to have tunnel vision in that respect (and also appear to be ignorant). Must have zoned out last night too then. I have the tv on for background noise most of the time.
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Post by dizzydumpling on Feb 4, 2015 0:19:38 GMT
Ha ha, Whoops! - am showing both my age and my innatentiveness in all their shining glory!
Just off for a quick edit! Thanks Mouse!!!
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Post by Mouse on Feb 4, 2015 0:24:27 GMT
LOL I just edited my post incase in case it might be deemed 'ageist' And also in respect of certain celebrities with hugely overrated opinions of their opinions, I believe there is an expression which fits perfectly: but which I have edited out (bit rude)
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Post by dizzydumpling on Feb 4, 2015 0:47:24 GMT
I had CBB on earlier but had totally zoned out so have missed this. Will watch again. CBB is edited to heighten the controversy - shame the directors appear to have tunnel vision in that respect (and also appear to be ignorant). It was Sunday's show - I just hadn't noticed that it had passed midnight! Yeah I know they edit the programme to 'build' characters in a certain light - and I know I probably shouldn't care about it either really. It's just that this woman actually appears to have won the heart of huge swathes of the viewing public, and at a time when disability hate crimes are at an all-time high I hate to see this obnoxious woman making her living by contributing to it. I've also just remembered that Sunday's was a live show, but I'm sure they must have a short delay between filming and airing in case of 'emergencies'. It's interesting that they didn't show it again in tonight's round-up though. I have no idea why I even started watching this b*llocks again after years of abstention!
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Post by Mouse on Feb 4, 2015 0:57:36 GMT
Doesn't say a great deal for the swathe of people does it? TBH I reckon anyone who lauds her opinions must lack a heart. And my views on certain celebrity opinions are in my earlier just edited post.
The only thing I sit and watch without interruption with 'Celebrity' in the title is the Celebrity Great British Bake-Off !
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Post by JJ on Feb 4, 2015 2:22:47 GMT
Thank you dizzydumpling I watch most of the celebrity stuff and have been equally bothered by the fact that people seemed to have warmed to such a vile person. I've been horribly dismayed in fact by a general lauding of nasty and bullying behaviour by most of them, shocked that people who've been kind have been pilloried and astounded that others haven't stood up against all the hate and venom - even more so that there doesn't seem to be any general viewer opinion that it's not ok. It's actually made me despair for where our culture appears to be heading. I think it's a horrible manifestation of the current government's relentless demonisation of and attacks on the disabled, the poor and disenfranchised - it's given a legitimacy to spite and compassionless self-perceived superiority. It's very ugly. Anyway, my musings over, thanks for those links, I've just complained to both
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 17:01:41 GMT
Has she simply become the pack leader of a cabin-fevered cabal and those around simply prostrate themselves at her relentless self-aggrandisement as they start to lose their own personalities?
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Post by greyblanket on Feb 4, 2015 18:13:21 GMT
I cannot stand bullying and cannot see why Katie Hopkins is so popular, I am really genuinely mystified by this. I suppose it might be quite attractive to genuinely not care what others think of you, but her sheer unpleasantness really does take some beating. I think there must be something very seriously wrong with her.
Her reasoning is generally fatuous, she deliberately misconstrues what people say and then launches into full scale unwarranted attack mode.
She keeps talking about 'feisty' as if that's what she thinks she is, but she soon slaps anyone who actually has a bit of character down. She says that she respects people with an opinion, but you never see her actually discuss anything or develop any ideas. It is just opinionated rant. And the ranting is just filled with self-serving, vicious, poorly-reasoned invective.
Are people so stupid that they can't see this?
Having said this, she is very good at getting people on her side.
I wish I could understand what it is about her that is so attractive to people.
I think I would last about 15 minutes in there.
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Post by Jordan on Feb 4, 2015 19:05:15 GMT
I will pay no attention to those who spew forth ignorance as they scramble for the scraps of acknowledgment and recognition.
I quietly pity them. Nothing more.
Plus, Katie Price in da house. She is gonna let rip when she leaves there. Guaranteed!
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Post by dizzydumpling on Feb 5, 2015 0:05:33 GMT
It's actually made me despair for where our culture appears to be heading. I think it's a horrible manifestation of the current government's relentless demonisation of and attacks on the disabled, the poor and disenfranchised - it's given a legitimacy to spite and compassionless self-perceived superiority. It's very ugly. Quite! If only I could have put it so eloquently! I think this is why I’ve got so worked up over it – watching this programme alongside the public’s reaction to it has just made me feel there’s no hope. When the Con/Dems got in I somehow imagined that five years of their bullshit would be a huge wake-up call to everyone and we’d all be taking part in some kind of joyful revolution by now, but instead we’ve got bloody UKIP and the likes of Katie Hopkins leading us back into some sort of Victorian hell. Give it another ten years and they'll have brought back the workhouse for the undeserving poor . At least I must’ve given my neighbours a laugh as every evening they can probably hear me screeching “What’s wrong with you bloody morons?” , "Why are you kissing her arse?” and “For f*ck’s sake leave him alone!” Having said that ol' horse-face seemed to get a few more boos tonight. She says that she respects people with an opinion, but you never see her actually discuss anything or develop any ideas. It is just opinionated rant. And the ranting is just filled with self-serving, vicious, poorly-reasoned invective. Are people so stupid that they can't see this? It appears not – they’ve been slowly drip-fed the hate-filled Daily Mail/Jeremy Kyle/Benefits Street pigswill for so long now they actually think it tastes good and want more…..and Hopkins gives it to them in abundance. I probably wouldn’t even mind so much if I thought she genuinely felt passionate about anything she says, but in her case I strongly suspect that every loathsome word that exits her oversized gobhole represents nothing more than another quid in the bank. The only thing I sit and watch without interruption with 'Celebrity' in the title is the Celebrity Great British Bake-Off ! Sounds like a plan - assuming they can’t find a way to destroy each other’s souls over a battenburg!
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Post by rhiannon on Feb 5, 2015 1:14:11 GMT
This is my first post here, so hi everyone! I'm going to be a bit controversial, hopefully I wont get burned I just felt compelled to add to this conversation. I realise a lot of people don't like Hopkins but when I look at her and watch her behaviors, although often considered socially unacceptable, it reminds me of things I've done and the reactions I have. That's not to say it's right but I do think she plays to her strengths when choosing her career (since it comes so naturally to her to say emotionless, often hurtful things which cause controversy) and most likely in my opinion both her and Perez (abundantly clear to me) have AADD. So I found it rather ironically funny she said it doesn't exist... Anyway, my 2 cents, off to see the rest of the forum, this just attracted my attention first, hopefully see you around
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Post by Mouse on Feb 5, 2015 13:45:51 GMT
Like Journeyman's comment. And maybe they've switched off and are just getting through it / going through the motions / paying lip service. Course of least resistance and all that. Agree with Grey Blanket - its just rant. I wonder whether she could survive in solitary confinement. Agree with Dizzy - its about money in the bank. Dizzy - hmmm - that would be whisks at dawn then Celebrity Bake-Off is
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Post by JJ on Feb 5, 2015 18:50:17 GMT
Has she simply become the pack leader of a cabin-fevered cabal and those around simply prostrate themselves at her relentless self-aggrandisement as they start to lose their own personalities? I don't think it's anything to do with cabin fever actually. She's become the pack leader for sure, even the stronger ones aren't standing up to her - to what she's saying / doing or to her imposed code that being nice or considering people's feelings before you speak is wrong. Even the strong Katie Price felt she had to defend herself for not being a bitch because she was criticised for not being so. I've watched in amazement at the Hopkins woman, I've found her abhorrent words, behaviours and demeanour fascinating as I read quite widely on psychopathy last summer. She's manipulative, deliberately provocative and cruel; and she visibly glints / comes alive when causing harm and witnessing human distress. She has her pack but declares no loyalty towards them. She talks or conspires with them, but I've seen no evidence of that being for anything other than her own end, which is disharmony or causing pain. Everything I've seen demonstrates psychopathy traits. I've seen no signs of a genuine confusion about, or lack of understanding of social skills, which are a mark, to a greater or lesser extent of someone with Autism Spectrum Disorder and / or apparent sometimes with ADHDers. Quite the contrary in fact, she is a skilled manipulator - which is something someone with social impairments caused by ASD or ADHD is not, by definition really. And I've written about this here because of a post on this thread, which I could only see on my iphone but that doesn't come up on my ipad. That poster (whose name I can't see) says that their opinion is that Katie Hopkins has ADHD, giving her nasty and socially unacceptable behaviours as the reason. I disagree with this opinion in the strongest terms known to man, there's nothing about her vileness that I recognise as ADHD, absolutely nothing. Furthermore, ADHD brings a whole set of impairments outside of immediate social interaction - paying attention, distractibility, procrastination, organisation, time management and so on - and I've seen no signs of these either. I believe the poster is new to the forum and I don't want to make them feel bad or not welcome when they've only just arrived, but I couldn't let a post likening that woman to us go unremarked. Poster, I hope I've not scared you away if you've come here for support, but I'd definitely recommend further reading on ADHD.
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Post by Mouse on Feb 5, 2015 20:41:02 GMT
Strange because I can't see the post either on my laptop but can see it on my phone.
In response to Rhiannon's post about Katie H's behaviours, where she says, "it reminds of things I've done and the reactions I have.'
I think the difference is that we all may all have our moments where we are cruel, manipulative, and despicable, but for most people this is not the way they operate all the time. And that's the difference. I don't think Katie H is an ADHDer and nor do I think she falls in the 'normal' range but is at an extreme, based on her TV persona.
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Post by dizzydumpling on Feb 6, 2015 0:53:44 GMT
I can't see the post about Katy Hopkins & ADHD as I don't have a fancy enough phone, but I really really can't disagree strongly enough.
Whilst people with ADHD can sometimes appear thoughtless through impulsivity, such as being too quick to react without thinking through the consequences of their actions, in my experience they often seem to have empathy for others way beyond what seems to be the norm.
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Post by rhiannon on Feb 6, 2015 2:09:21 GMT
Just jumping back in here, I hope I didn't offend anyone by my post, I didn't mean to say that I only believe she has ADHD because of her socially inappropriate behavior but rather this was an untreated symptom that she either chooses to employ or she may do it without a clear understanding. I agree that often those with ADHD are incredibly empathetic and I myself have an empathetic side but I also have a very rational logical side as well which can overbear into my spoken words without thought. My mother (who I also believe has it) is the most empathetic person I've ever met (she raised me vegetarian for example and we are all now vegan) but still she also struggles with saying hurtful things without thinking it through enough. Now I don't hide behind 'honesty' as being one of my virtues, which I think Katy H does. I am far from honest but I still put my foot in it (most recently in fact just last night!) on a regular basis and it stems from rational/logical but also usually brutally honest thoughts surfacing, sometimes I can tell I've done it, other times I've no clue. But I could plausibly see that she would use honesty to excuse her behavior as a coping mechanism for her inability to consistently manage what comes out of her mouth! You can see the difference between when she has actually thought about what she is saying (often in the diary room with lots of hand gestures) as opposed to when she just comes out with something that's usually vile which tends to happen like brain farts. She also appears to be hypersensitive to criticism in a similar way to myself (although she has mastered the art of taking negative criticism far better than myself), I have the same struggle when being complimented by others which is usually due to very low self-esteem an issue I'm sure everyone here is well aware of (if not, lucky you!). She is also very fidgety and I don't think I've ever seen her be still for more than a few seconds instead she uses her arms, nods her head, makes faces, looks around the room, fingers or legs wiggling etc. She also seems to me to get bored easily through lack of stimulation (I would probably have gone crazy a bit like Perez if I ever went in somewhere like that) and therefore to create stimulation like discussions or arguments she stirs the pot, again not a necessarily pleasant thing to do but I can still relate logically to why she would do it baring in mind she has clearly learnt to feed off of negative attention. She feels the need to exercise a lot (not a bad thing) which as we all know helps to calm the mind. She also doesn't seem to act in this rude and abrasive way all the time and not to everyone, in fact she was voted the most liked housemate by the house and you wouldn't be able to do that if you were rude and abrasive all the time - she obviously has a very loving and kind heart to those she likes at least. These are the behaviors I consider point towards ADHD, obviously I am not a doctor and I do not know her personally so I have no clue how her inner mind works so there are lots of symptoms you can't see. I can tell you now that nobody I know would have suspected I have it and in fact most don't believe I do and some don't even think it's real. I should mention also as one poster commented that she shows psychopathic tendencies that I considered for a while that I might be a psychopath but of course if you think you are you probably aren't and I do experience emotion just not quite the same way other people do. In particular your comment about her face coming to life when she see's horrible things happening, this is something I find myself doing without realising it and it's a defense mechanism because your mind can't process what it is experiencing so it goes into a sort of facade to protect you. I definitely wouldn't agree that she is a psychopath as much as I realise that I'm not either - if it turns out that I am then by all means you were correct! I'm not saying she has it for certain but it is my strong suspicion that she does due to the behaviors described above. In the instance that she is completely aware of her behavior and plays up to it rather than apologising for it (which most of us do I imagine) I agree with others that this is unacceptable behavior. However, it is clear if she does have it she doesn't know and she may just attribute it to being part of her personality (I did and learned the hard way how to deal with it better) rather than a behavior that is not always controllable but often forgivable when dealt with correctly. I'm not suggesting she does deal with it correctly but I could see through environmental factors how she could end up this way particularly if it was reinforced by her parents or peers (oh wait that's a bit of my empathy coming through ). So again, I didn't mean to offend anyone and hopefully I've cleared up my viewpoint a bit more rather than having just made a sweeping statement like last time!
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Post by fuzzywuzzy on Feb 6, 2015 11:25:34 GMT
The reason I think 100% that she couldn't possibly have ADHD...boils down to this....
Whenever any of 'US' ..... do say or do the wrong impulsive/angry/hurtful thing....regularly,
We go out of our way, at some stage, maybe later on, to do one or more of the following.....1. Feel bad 2. Say sorry 3. Talk it over with that person or a third party in an understanding, empathetic way....
I've seen no evidence of any such behaviour......Hopkins just pushes the knife in deeper
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Post by Mouse on Feb 6, 2015 11:27:18 GMT
Hi Rhiannon, just to say I wasn't offended. I just didn't get any feeling that she has ADHD. Maybe her extreme behaviour is a defence mechanism. Who knows? I'm just not a fan of the negative public persona she displays.
I reckon it would be a brave person who broached the subject with her tho...
Imagine if she did for a second take the suggestion seriously, then have it confirmed, would she eat crow?
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Post by JJ on Feb 6, 2015 14:37:45 GMT
I've read what you've said and remain resolute - Katie Hopkins shows no signs of ADHD, not even a little bit. It's common to be aware of and see ADHD traits in others, particularly when you first think you identify with the symptoms, but, respectfully, while you may recognise yourself in her, I categorically don't recognise her as having ADHD. ADHD symptoms are the far end of the spectrum of normality. This means normal symptoms impairingly amplified in intensity and frequency. There are many normal behaviours here that you've used to make your point, but they don't describe the end of the spectrum definitions you say they do. They're all bored, they've been shut in a house for a month, and several of them are regularly shown exercising - to use your examples. Using expansive hand gestures similarly doesn't have bearing with respect to ADHD when compared to her direct attacks on people. Her overuse of them suggests to me she's trying to overcompensate for the words' lack of normal emotional resonance with her. She's copying normal body language but somewhat mechanically and unnaturally exaggeratedly so. She increases the physical range of her gestures to illustrate intensity because she's not able to convey the full range of nuanced emotions in her voice, face and body naturally; further shown by her odd speech tempo at these times. Being 'honest' above all else as a some kind of virtue is a pernicious excuse used by the cold hearted to justify the unacceptable. We don't operate in isolation of others and their feelings - and just as it's not ok to wound someone with a knife, so it's not ok to wound them with words. Yes, someone with ADHD can blurt out something unkind through lack of impulse control. But that's diametrically opposite to calculated, conscious spitefulness, more so with her visceral pleasure at the outcome. There are also times when some ADHDers unintentionally say something hurtful without even realising it could be perceived that way. They may also still be genuinely confused when they're told. Aside from suggesting that this happens to everyone sometimes, in cases where it happens more than normal and in an ADHDer, I'd suggest there are ASD traits as well. From this article:It's my entire experience and understanding that when ADHDers realise they've hurt someone, they're mortified and they try not to do the same thing again. In the same vein, we have more difficulty regulating our moods and temper and, particularly when younger, in the heat of the moment, we can say things we wouldn't otherwise, and regret bitterly once we've calmed down. These don't even come near to describing Katie Hopkins. She's never even hinted at remorse or regret, nor shown understanding on any level that hurting someone is wrong or makes you feel bad yourself. I'm genuinely astounded that you would say she has a loving and kind heart. She demonstrably has neither. There's been no flicker of compassion or authentic warmth. And being voted most liked housemate says nothing in her case, neither does the fact she's not abrasive 24/7, particularly that it's not directed to the stronger ones, only those weaker in self-esteem or part of her 'out-group'. People towards or over the spectrum line that describes psychopathy can be charming and fun and they manipulate people and situations for their own means. Most psychopaths aren't serial killers and the majority non-criminal can be very successful (in terms of power and financial rewards) - in business for example. They get there by being superficially charming to those they need to climb their way up. They feign emotion, social bonding, ties and warmth when required. People get taken in and done over. That's what's happened here too. You mention logic several times and the logical, rational side of stirring the pot to cause confrontation and therefore stimulation. Yes, doing this logically would cause stimulation, but it's a non sequitur in terms of justification or resultant behaviour. If she bludgeoned someone to death, that equally would provide stimulation, but there's no emotionally normal logic that would lead to that being the natural or understandable selected course of action. Professor Robert Hare wrote the accepted psychopathy checklist. He's quoted in this same article saying From what I've seen on CBB, this could equally be referring to Katie Hopkins. I'm not offended by you, nor am I attacking you. I also don't want to stop you replying or posting. But I am massively bothered that anyone might ever find this thread on google and consider, on any level, that ADHD might bear any resemblance to Katie Hopkins. She may or may not be a psychopath, but she's categorically not an ADHDer.
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Post by dizzydumpling on Feb 6, 2015 17:22:53 GMT
Crikey, what a can of worms! I won't write much as I'm on the hop - seem to have no time for anything these days - but I just wanted to say to Rhianon that, I've not taken offence at all - obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion and you've not been in any way rude or offensive with yours... and I thank you for my new phrase du jour, 'brain farts' However, I do believe like JJ that your opinion may be misguided. My dx is Aspergers/ADD, my half sister is currently undergoing ADD assessment, and I have two ADHD nephews. Although we're all quite different, one of the main things we have in common is our strong emotional response to others' distress. I've also read a fair few books on Aspergers and ADHD and this seems to be common. There's not a lot to add to previous replies anyway, but remember this woman has made her living through causing hurt and upset to so many people; the poor, the working class, disabled people, fat people, muslims....she just doesn't care who she hurts as long as the money keeps rolling in. Plus she's not stupid - she knows that her high profile means she's contributing ideas and positions on major issues that will influence popular discourse...with all the un/intended consequences this brings. A psychopathy dx would seem more fitting to me as she is told repeatedly that she hurts people, but this seems to mean nothing to her - as though she is incapable of understanding what that actually means. Surely if she knew how it felt to have feelings hurt by others' comments she wouldn't do it? Unless there's a more Freudian analysis to be had....? Unlike JJ, I don't know enough about psychopathy to feel confident discussing it further, but I do know that she's from a business background, and before that military intelligence, and that these, along with fields such as complex surgery and oncology are well suited to psychopaths as require an abundance of logic over emotion. We may just have to agree to disagree - if I had more time I'd happily go off on a research spree now, scanning books & academic journals for evidence to spout, but as it is if I don't feed my cat and my child soon they made just decide to eat each other....or me! Plus I don't think anyone here wants to experience me in full spout mode - it aint pretty Love and peace fellow humans x
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Post by Mouse on Feb 6, 2015 19:33:58 GMT
If the CBB house were ruled by a despot, it is highly likely they too would be voted 'the most liked housemate'! Anyway, if you've read the thread and found Katie H's comments offensive hope you have complained to Ofcom and Channel 5
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Post by blaze on Feb 7, 2015 7:03:06 GMT
I think kh is more npd than anything else.
While its a gd idea to shut her up I dont think she has influence in terms of what she says because the gp are well aware shes made her career by spewing bs, thats what shes known for, making an ideot of herself. I dont watch the reality stuff, cant pay attwnsion, but if shes liked at mo then I.dont think that meams gp will.suddenly take her seriously in terms of the rubbish she rants, I do think she maybe damaging her career if people like her too much though!
I dont think its helpful to talk about 'us' in general terms, iv worked with plenty of kids/teens with adhd who dont care who they continualy hurt. sm have comorbids like odd, asd etc, sm mh ads aswell, sm not. Either way we are all individuals and there will be huge variation.
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Post by mc1250 on Feb 8, 2015 23:16:35 GMT
No one should pay attention to this woman (she's probably a genetic experiement by the daily mail). She's made a job out of being nasty and courting contraversy and god knows people love to have a central hate figure and she knows it. And she laughs all the way to the bank everytime she's paid to go on a show and be her nasty self. So she'll be nasty and pick on the minorities she can pick on which won't get her lynched and completely shunned but get her just enough bad press to keep the jobs and cash rolling in.
Bottom line is there's no such thing as bad attention for her coz it all adds to her growing bank balance. People need to start ignoring her completely and let her 15 minutes die out quicker rather then giving her anymore credance. Please everyone just ignore her and let her fade back into insignificance. I just switch over when ever she's on!
I personally feel signing any petetions making complaints about this woman only adds to her career. To take the wind out of someones sails you just need to stop blowing into them!
I've found the best way to deal with arguments with people, especially spiteful ones is to just agree with them and walk away....'yeah mate, you're right, well done, goodbye'....rather then arguing withthem for the next god knows how long giving them the attention they actually want! If there's nothing to lose in an argument then just your pride, then just agree with someone like her and move on with your life coz your time can be better spent anywhere else rather then arguing with people like that.
The thing about the sails from earlier, was about taking someone's power away from them, their power to hurt you. A little story for you here..... Back in the 70's when we first moved here my mum used to daily face racist abuse from this teenage girl down our road, the usual fuck off you dirt p@ki's etc.... one day my mum told my dad about it and asked what she should do about it. My dad said. "smile and wave back to her and thank her for comments"!.... so my mum did just that!.....and gues what? the abuse stopped! Why?? this girl had nothing left to hurt my mum with....whats the point of being hurtful to someone if they're not going to get hurt!
So if katie does what attention then lets give it to her when she says all these hurtfull things lets phone her up on the show and tell her she's right and thank her for it. And when she's finally got no one to offend then no more car crash format TV shows are going to want her!
Not sure if everyone will agree or accept what i have to say but just what i've found from my personal experience.
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Post by dizzydumpling on Feb 9, 2015 0:25:52 GMT
I think kh is more npd than anything else. I can see why, but wouldn't she be more desperate for approval rather than just limelight? Having said that, all I know of NPD is from a one-day course I did about 13 years ago, so wouldn't really know! While its a gd idea to shut her up I dont think she has influence in terms of what she says because the gp are well aware shes made her career by spewing bs, thats what shes known for, making an ideot of herself. I originally wrote a long rambly response explaining why I think she does has influence as one of the more conspicuous cogs (currently) in a huge propaganda machine, but to be honest I don't think anyone could have been arsed to read it, and this probably isn't the place for my bargain-basement political ramblings anyway. I certainly can't argue with the spewing bs and making an idiot of herself bit though mc1250, whilst I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying at the level of personal bullying, I think that the culture of celebrity now confers so much undeserved power on these people, that bigger gestures have to be attempted. Whilst I agree that giving her more publicity isn't a good thing, I believed there was a chance that by complaining about her to OFCOM, she might have been removed - which in turn might have helped raise more positive awareness about ADHD. This is because if they receive enough complaints, and OFCOM deems her behaviour offensive or discriminatory to certain minorities, the TV channel are forced to take action. It was a long-shot, but worth a punt I thought! Anyway, I didn't jut pop up to stir the pot, so will drop it now as it's all over & done with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 8:19:06 GMT
Actually, how is Hopkins qualified to comment? Yes she'll influence people a tad, and that will slow the pace of our eventual emancipation. But when brain-mapping and neuroimaging technology breaks through into the mainstream by getting cheaper and more reliable, she and other skeptics, I'm convinced, will be blown right out of the water on this.
It's like coming up against creationists who will not modify their belief systems when confronted with compelling evidence of million year-old fossils, yet still think the Earth came out of a mould some 6000 years ago.
I guess we'll never convince those most fundamentalist of conservative thinkers about ADHD and other conditions, but perhaps we ought to just leave them behind - including Hopkins!
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Post by JJ on Feb 9, 2015 11:05:18 GMT
whilst I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying at the level of personal bullying, I think that the culture of celebrity now confers so much undeserved power on these people, that bigger gestures have to be attempted. Whilst I agree that giving her more publicity isn't a good thing, I believed there was a chance that by complaining about her to OFCOM, she might have been removed - which in turn might have helped raise more positive awareness about ADHD. This is because if they receive enough complaints, and OFCOM deems her behaviour offensive or discriminatory to certain minorities, the TV channel are forced to take action. It was a long-shot, but worth a punt I thought! That exactly! And @addjourneyman, while you're absolutely right about never changing the minds of creationists and the like, it's the less dogmatic majority listening that have a chance of being swayed by your arguments - and that's why I think it's never wasted trying if there's any audience.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 11:39:27 GMT
And @addjourneyman, while you're absolutely right about never changing the minds of creationists and the like, it's the less dogmatic majority listening that have a chance of being swayed by your arguments - and that's why I think it's never wasted trying if there's any audience. I tend to agree JJ but I think we can get bogged down with out detractors and really need to expend our collective energy getting our protagonists to extol the virtues of new research and techniques into resolving and understanding our condition. I'm not wasting my time getting upset on what an ignorant wannabe is saying, but I do agree that when the opportunity arises we should put the record straight. Ofcom are a waste of time IMO, I've written to them before on clearer issues and they either fudge or don't answer. I mean we can't even get an answer out of the Establishment re " Complaint to Chief Whip re Mr Graham Allen MP & ADHD ‘not a real disease’", and everyone's on information lock-down as we run up to the election as civil servants "tidy their desks" ready for the next lot to be elected.
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Post by blaze on Feb 9, 2015 13:16:20 GMT
I dont think the najority of the geberal public are swayed by her though. Her ebtire career is slating people jst for the sake of it, without valid reasoning. Thats what shes knowm for, people watch her like they watch a car crash, not because they think she has credibility. Look at her weigh loss documebtary, she hasnt changed minds, when she lost weight and claimed abyobe can the majority jst pointed out that all she prooved was that smobe with no prior history of weifht problems/comfort eating/eds etc can gain and loose weight, not that the normal people who have life long struggles can. Im sure tgeres a few dimwitted people who may fall for her.bs, but I.dont think she has any real influence. unlike katie price where now sadly most school girls wd rather grow up to be a glamour model than a nurse, dr or teacher, theres no kids idolising kh, infact I dont think anyone thinks shes credible or admirable bar a few ideots who wd allways claim the skys green regardless. Getting her thrown off wd be grwat, as wd getting smone credible to set the record.straight, but I dont think anyone needs to worry about her influence. Why any tv bosses wd let her.spout such bile is a much.bigger issue. what was seen as racist remarks a few yrs back caused huge uproar, yet what cd be termed.disabilist ones dont.produce that. Thats the issue, not kh. uote author=" JJ" source="/post/86719/thread" timestamp="1423479918"] whilst I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying at the level of personal bullying, I think that the culture of celebrity now confers so much undeserved power on these people, that bigger gestures have to be attempted. Whilst I agree that giving her more publicity isn't a good thing, I believed there was a chance that by complaining about her to OFCOM, she might have been removed - which in turn might have helped raise more positive awareness about ADHD. This is because if they receive enough complaints, and OFCOM deems her behaviour offensive or discriminatory to certain minorities, the TV channel are forced to take action. It was a long-shot, but worth a punt I thought! That exactly! And @addjourneyman, while you're absolutely right about never changing the minds of creationists and the like, it's the less dogmatic majority listening that have a chance of being swayed by your arguments - and that's why I think it's never wasted trying if there's any audience. [/quote]
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Post by greyblanket on Feb 9, 2015 15:58:30 GMT
I am waiting for Katie Hopkins to enter politics. Her ability to ignore the question, restate her "opinion" backed up by swiftly-delivered twisted, unintelligent, illogical, irrational reasoning, and try to close down the questioner with her carefully chosen meaningless stock phrases expressing that we are all entitled to an opinion, is second to none. Her opinions lack any substance and her reasoning is incredibly poor. I've never actually see her have a real discussion and explore a topic. BUT she is massively skilled at manipulation. In a way that I think requires quite a high level of executive functioning and working memory! I hadn't thought of KT Hopkins as a psychopath, because I think I imagine that psychopaths might be a bit more skilful about not being quite so abrasive, but that was just a feeling I had. I had thought she might have some sort of personality disorder, maybe narcissistic. But I think personality disorders are one model,and psychopathy etc, is another model of basically the same sort of thing. That is vague, I know, but I can't look it up at the moment. I suppose being abrasive and controversial is just a style of behaviour that she has found works for her, and so she sticks with it. It allows her to get the attention she craves. And why is 'telling it like it is' such a good thing, anyway, especially since most people who say they do that, do nothing of the kind. And what the hell does 'keeping it real' mean, for heavens sake? Especially within the context of Celebrity BIg Brother. Now I am ranting I read Jon Ronson's book, The Psychopath Test, which was very interesting. Gb
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