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Post by contrarymary on May 7, 2015 21:44:33 GMT
if the exit poll results are correct, i simply can't bear it.
turkeys have voted for christmas.
we can now look forward to 5 dreadful years of even more extreme right wing ideology, £12 billion cuts mainly from sick & disabled people and the end of the welfare state - the state - built up over 60 years. people will die as a direct result of these policies.
i can't bear it.
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Post by oldwolf on May 7, 2015 22:32:35 GMT
I..... Don't particularily care about it.
I know, that wasn't constructive in any shape or form but i've been resisting the impulse to say that, on one of the many posts about it on facespace, all day. Better here i suppose as its less likely to garner sarcasm or derogatory remarks in response.
I've always been of the opinion that its better to wait and see rather than expect one way or the other. You never know; it might not be all doom-y and stuff
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Post by shapes on May 7, 2015 23:31:03 GMT
It isn't looking good.
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Post by blaze on May 8, 2015 9:34:13 GMT
I feel overwhelmingly scared, especially for my kids and what they may have to face in terms of getting diagnosis, and support in school. We have a great primary school, but SATs, ta cuts, senco cuts- school can't help that. And come secondary school I think I might just hm Ed if things keep going the way they are....
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Post by blaze on May 8, 2015 9:54:22 GMT
Wait and see what? The complete result? Or what another tory government wd do? I dont have an issue with anyone nit caring (that your dekocratic right after all) but if you mean we shd wait and see what the torys do then i think thats, at best, a careless statement. We know their manafesto, we know what they have done the last gov, we know the long term harm oldtory govs did to the economy through privatisation and right to buy scheme that inflated housing prices far above the cost of living and put minimal amount of the profit back into social housing before selling that off to housing assosuations that did not responsibley house people (houed young single parents miles from family and broke community support networks, put those with physical disabilitys on tip floor flats etc, built tiny cheap poor quality buildings) and finaly we know that the torys have allways been rightwing, for the richest, made up of mostly public school educated mps who encourage the extreem bias within the media that presents anyone on benefits as scoungers and anyone with mental health problems along with other hudden disabilitys as lazy liars who manipulate the system. So we do have a pretty gd idea of whats to come in alot of ways in alot of areas. Which include things that directly effect many people who cone on here- privatisation within nhs, henefits cuts etc where as theres gd chance many other parties policies may have gonesome way to helping them- those who said theyd increase nhs spending, stop privatisation, better support mh, sop benefit cuts, etc etc. We dont jst vote in our own best intrest, our vote effects others. If you make an informed decsion not to vote then fair enough, hut pks dont kake ill informed statements oike we shd wait and see what the next tory gov brings. uote author=" oldwolf" source="/post/88922/thread" timestamp="1431037955"]I..... Don't particularily care about it. I know, that wasn't constructive in any shape or form but i've been resisting the impulse to say that, on one of the many posts about it on facespace, all day. Better here i suppose as its less likely to garner sarcasm or derogatory remarks in response. I've always been of the opinion that its better to wait and see rather than expect one way or the other. You never know; it might not be all doom-y and stuff[/quote]
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Post by contrarymary on May 8, 2015 10:07:30 GMT
Wait and see what? The complete result? Or what another tory government wd do? I dont have an issue with anyone nit caring (that your dekocratic right after all) but if you mean we shd wait and see what the torys do then i think thats, at best, a careless statement. We know their manafesto, we know what they have done the last gov, we know the long term harm oldtory govs did to the economy through privatisation and right to buy scheme that inflated housing prices far above the cost of living and put minimal amount of the profit back into social housing before selling that off to housing assosuations that did not responsibley house people (houed young single parents miles from family and broke community support networks, put those with physical disabilitys on tip floor flats etc, built tiny cheap poor quality buildings) and finaly we know that the torys have allways been rightwing, for the richest, made up of mostly public school educated mps who encourage the extreem bias within the media that presents anyone on benefits as scoungers and anyone with mental health problems along with other hudden disabilitys as lazy liars who manipulate the system. So we do have a pretty gd idea of whats to come in alot of ways in alot of areas. Which include things that directly effect many people who cone on here- privatisation within nhs, henefits cuts etc where as theres gd chance many other parties policies may have gonesome way to helping them- those who said theyd increase nhs spending, stop privatisation, better support mh, sop benefit cuts, etc etc. We dont jst vote in our own best intrest, our vote effects others. If you make an informed decsion not to vote then fair enough, hut pks dont kake ill informed statements oike we shd wait and see what the next tory gov brings. uote author=" oldwolf" source="/post/88922/thread" timestamp="1431037955"]I..... Don't particularily care about it. I know, that wasn't constructive in any shape or form but i've been resisting the impulse to say that, on one of the many posts about it on facespace, all day. Better here i suppose as its less likely to garner sarcasm or derogatory remarks in response. I've always been of the opinion that its better to wait and see rather than expect one way or the other. You never know; it might not be all doom-y and stuff
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Post by contrarymary on May 8, 2015 10:23:51 GMT
After Thatcher and Major led a conservative govt for 17 years, it took 11 years of new "Labour" to begin to fix the complete and utter bomb site they had left behind... and then there was the financial crash of 2008 that derailed things.
this last 5 years of conservative coalition have felt like a prison sentence. people wake up every day in dread and fear, hungry, cold, sick, in pain, homeless, isolated, in miserable jobs where they are low or unpaid, hounded by the DWP or the jobcentre or ATOS computer "Medical" assessments carried out by "medical professionals" who are either doctors who can't get a job in the NHS or physios, OTs or nursing assistants.
ALl the "reform" has saved no money - often cost a lot more and been less effective than doing nothing - causing many thousands of people severe hardship, suffering and pain. and some have died.
a Conservative-only government, buoyed up by an election "victory", is likely to be far more damaging, divisive, destructive. i doubt this country will ever be the same.
and the right wing press will continue to spout lies and spin, and people will believe it until... what? what does it take? £12 billion cuts to poor or sick or disabled people? people in wheelchairs or children sleeping rough on the streets?
today i'm shocked. and deeply sad. but i hope i will get angry, and find a way to live through the next 5 years.
FFS
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Post by blaze on May 8, 2015 10:37:00 GMT
To add to cms post, its not just that the Tories screw over anyone vulnerable but they also let all the big rich business off without paying taxes, and give tax breaks to their rich friends- if they geuiningly wanted to repair the economythethey CD have done that just by correcting the above, yet they choose to scrape back what is in comparison to the above, pennies, from the poorest most vulnerable groups which to them is everything. All the while Rupert what's his faces press forget to report the criminal tax breaks the rich get and demonize the poor. And the majority fall for it, because god forbid anyone looks further than what's put in front of their noses.
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Post by shiveringsky on May 8, 2015 10:55:07 GMT
Well... I just don't have the heart for the world today.
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Post by oldwolf on May 8, 2015 11:48:24 GMT
Don't spout your broken heart nonsense at me, i have lived on the edge of poverty my entire life. I know exactly how it feels to not have anything, to have to be given things instead of having the ability to get it myself, i know exactly hoe it feels to wonder where my next meal is coming from or if i will have a roof over my head at any given moment. I have even spent a month living on the streets.
It doesnt matter to me who sits in that big red leather chair, quaffing brandy and smoking cigars, issuing proclamations about what money goes where and who gets what services.
All i know, and have known all my life, is that it is pointless to
A. Worry about something before it has happened.
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B. Get all worked up about something you can't change.
So i dont, i make do with what I have and wait to see what happens.
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Post by blaze on May 8, 2015 12:02:04 GMT
That's a really rude turn of phrase op, there's no need to be offensive.
It may not matter to you, but to many of us it does. Like I said if you don't care that's your right, but to claim we have no idea how it will turn out is I'll informed. We can do something about it, that's what democracy is, and there's no doubt many others who have much greater involvement here and become involved with campaigns etc to effect sm change. Just because we can't wave a magic wand doesn't mean we can't have some participation.
I don't see what your list of life circumstances has to do with what's written here, I grew up with nothing either, and now live a fairly comfortable middle-class life, I'm not a member; f any political party and have voted for a variety over the yrs, and not voted on occasion due to ADHD disorganisation not getting registered in time. My view point is fairly unbiased (or evenly biased perhaps) in terms of polical alegence, so I look at the facts. And the fact is we have a gd idea where the next Tory gov will take us. You may not care but plenty do and our fears are well founded.
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Post by oldwolf on May 8, 2015 12:08:08 GMT
You missed the point. Never mind.
EDIT: Or maybe i wasn't clear enough, which is my bad. In effect, i am saying there are some people who have no choice in the matter, we simply have to make do and get on.
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Post by contrarymary on May 8, 2015 12:21:25 GMT
this is usually a non-judgemental forum, and that's an important part of what makes it a safe space in what can often be a hugely judgemental world.
it's not helpful to call other people's feelings or opinions nonsense. how people feel is how they feel; ideas and opinions are generated by our lived experience, which is unique to us. by all means inform, share your feelings about stuff, and the opinions which have grown from your own life experience, and we can listen and learn from each other.
i do feel broken-hearted today. that arises from my own experience and understanding, from living the life i have lived and am living now. by all means disagree with me, but please don't judge my feelings or experience.
those of use who struggle with life at the best of times regardless of external circumstances are likely to be hard hit by both the policies and the loss of hope that things might have been better today.
some of us struggle for reasons of ADHD, and maybe other mental health issues, or physical or sensory health - impairments, illnesses, conditions which affect our ability to live pain-free independent lives. we see the things we depend on are being attacked. we hear ourselves blamed and judged and attacked by politicians, in the media, in the society in which we live.
we may have kept going on the thin thread of hope that things would be different today; that our fellow citizens would feel the same as us, would acknowledge what damage has been done and prevent further demonisation and destruction. and they didn't. the prospect of 5 more years is hard. we feel broken-hearted at the loss of all that might have been. and we need a safe space to say this, without judgement.
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Post by blaze on May 8, 2015 12:26:38 GMT
Everyone has to make do and get on with life, that's reality- but it doesn't bare any relevance to this thread. If you don't careabout the result why not leave the thread to those who do.
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Post by oldwolf on May 8, 2015 12:39:09 GMT
this is usually a non-judgemental forum, and that's an important part of what makes it a safe space in what can often be a hugely judgemental world. it's not helpful to call other people's feelings or opinions nonsense. how people feel is how they feel; ideas and opinions are generated by our lived experience, which is unique to us. by all means inform, share your feelings about stuff, and the opinions which have grown from your own life experience, and we can listen and learn from each other. i do feel broken-hearted today. that arises from my own experience and understanding, from living the life i have lived and am living now. by all means disagree with me, but please don't judge my feelings or experience. those of use who struggle with life at the best of times regardless of external circumstances are likely to be hard hit by both the policies and the loss of hope that things might have been better today. some of us struggle for reasons of ADHD, and maybe other mental health issues, or physical or sensory health - impairments, illnesses, conditions which affect our ability to live pain-free independent lives. we see the things we depend on are being attacked. we hear ourselves blamed and judged and attacked by politicians, in the media, in the society in which we live. we may have kept going on the thin thread of hope that things would be different today; that our fellow citizens would feel the same as us, would acknowledge what damage has been done and prevent further demonisation and destruction. and they didn't. the prospect of 5 more years is hard. we feel broken-hearted at the loss of all that might have been. and we need a safe space to say this, without judgement. It wasn't my intention to be judgemental or anything of the sort. It would seem i am not making any sense at all today and typing without considering the words. I apologise. EDIT: Maybe now i have calmed down, i might make more sense. Many people have become cynical to these events, myself included obviously, because the system has constantly failed us, regardless of who is in government, it is going to be the same impossible fight now, that it has been for the decades preceeding this.
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Post by blaze on May 8, 2015 12:39:22 GMT
I feel broken hearted that I feel greatful it looks like a Tory majority, its a v v sad day when the lesser evil is a Tory gov rather than Tory/ukip coalition. (Obviously there's still a couple of seats jot in yet). I can't stop crying about what my girls are inheriting. Not only does it look like they inherited my ADHD (and that cones with a possibility of my comorbids) but now this......... I'm terrified by the power Rupert blah blahs press has at no, and that will only now continue, and heavily influence my girls peer group. this is usually a non-judgemental forum, and that's an important part of what makes it a safe space in what can often be a hugely judgemental world. it's not helpful to call other people's feelings or opinions nonsense. how people feel is how they feel; ideas and opinions are generated by our lived experience, which is unique to us. by all means inform, share your feelings about stuff, and the opinions which have grown from your own life experience, and we can listen and learn from each other. i do feel broken-hearted today. that arises from my own experience and understanding, from living the life i have lived and am living now. by all means disagree with me, but please don't judge my feelings or experience. those of use who struggle with life at the best of times regardless of external circumstances are likely to be hard hit by both the policies and the loss of hope that things might have been better today. some of us struggle for reasons of ADHD, and maybe other mental health issues, or physical or sensory health - impairments, illnesses, conditions which affect our ability to live pain-free independent lives. we see the things we depend on are being attacked. we hear ourselves blamed and judged and attacked by politicians, in the media, in the society in which we live. we may have kept going on the thin thread of hope that things would be different today; that our fellow citizens would feel the same as us, would acknowledge what damage has been done and prevent further demonisation and destruction. and they didn't. the prospect of 5 more years is hard. we feel broken-hearted at the loss of all that might have been. and we need a safe space to say this, without judgement.
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Post by shapes on May 8, 2015 14:08:03 GMT
Reading the Tory manifesto and I do fear for the state of welfare after another 5 years. The "benefit cap" is being used as a social cleansing tool in parts of London. Rents are so high that if someone is out of work they are forced out of the area they grew up in.
A promise to freeze working age benefits which are already inadequate to appease the mean.
Talk of making the mentally ill attend counselling and behaviour therapies to keep their income disturbs me as well. There's nothing worse when you suffer from anxiety feeling that you must show improvement in a specific timescale.
From a purely selfish point of view I wonder how high priority adult ADHD treatment can be for an NHS that is under strain.
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Post by blaze on May 8, 2015 16:36:08 GMT
That doesnt sound like you dont care, that sounds like you do càre but feel powerless. I have felt like thàt before, and not voted as a result (apthough i meant to get organised and register snd ruin the ballot paper because atleast that is then counted and goes to show how many people feel let down by the system) While it can often seem like there is little difference between the parties and no change will happen it does, jst inctedibley slowly, and theres a huge differece between an incredibley slow change in the right direction that seems like its nowhere near enough, and a slow change in the wrong direction that corrodes the welfare state, the nhs, education and housing- things that enact basic human rights- til we are so far gone there will be no hope of coming back from these incidious changes that cost us and our children so much. 'The right' gov voted in may not have changed anything for you or many others overnight, but it cd protect people from it getting worse, and make some steps in the right direction. Its hard to hope for, but like cm says thats the hope that many people were holding onto. Sometimes the crush of hope is jst too much to bear, sometimes life without hope is unbearable. Either way, not nonsence, so its lovely you apologised to op for that. This is slightly irrelevant, hut anyways, i am (these days, after alot of struggle and hard work) lucky enough not to suffer directly under a tory gov, infact we will likely finacialy be better off, and im likely part of the demographic that votes tory, but i never have because of how it would effect others. And now, while i see how i wont be directly effected in the way manywill (b, things like universal credit etc) i do see how this cd negatively effect my children through school cuts, nhs privatisation and the tory apathy towards disabilitys. Seeing it happen to others is horrid, knowing this may damage my children is beyond terrifying. Worrying that im not strong enough to prevent that impact on them. uote author=" oldwolf" source="/qpost/88949/thread" timestamp="1431088749"] this is usually a non-judgemental forum, and that's an important part of what makes it a safe space in what can often be a hugely judgemental world. it's not helpful to call other people's feelings or opinions nonsense. how people feel is how they feel; ideas and opinions are generated by our lived experience, which is unique to us. by all means inform, share your feelings about stuff, and the opinions which have grown from your own life experience, and we can listen and learn from each other. i do feel broken-hearted today. that arises from my own experience and understanding, from living the life i have lived and am living now. by all means disagree with me, but please don't judge my feelings or experience. those of use who struggle with life at the best of times regardless of external circumstances are likely to be hard hit by both the policies and the loss of hope that things might have been better today. some of us struggle for reasons of ADHD, and maybe other mental health issues, or physical or sensory health - impairments, illnesses, conditions which affect our ability to live pain-free independent lives. we see the things we depend on are being attacked. we hear ourselves blamed and judged and attacked by politicians, in the media, in the society in which we live. we may have kept going on the thin thread of hope that things would be different today; that our fellow citizens would feel the same as us, would acknowledge what damage has been done and prevent further demonisation and destruction. and they didn't. the prospect of 5 more years is hard. we feel broken-hearted at the loss of all that might have been. and we need a safe space to say this, without judgement. It wasn't my intention to be judgemental or anything of the sort. It would seem i am not making any sense at all today and typing without considering the words. I apologise. EDIT: Maybe now i have calmed down, i might make more sense. Many people have become cynical to these events, myself included obviously, because the system has constantly failed us, regardless of who is in government, it is going to be the same impossible fight now, that it has been for the decades preceeding this. [/quote]
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Post by mypineappledream on May 8, 2015 19:50:06 GMT
I was wondering how it was going over there, not sure what is preferable one conservative party ruling or our weird mambo jambo party mix we got going on here in sweden. Pretty sure we got some twisted 7 party ruling (conservatives, socialists, greens and liberal) "lets keep the racist at bay weirdness" happening here and no one knows whats going on. I try to stay away as politics is an aggression trigger, but it is freaking interesting so I can't stay away all the time.
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Post by shapes on May 8, 2015 22:00:06 GMT
Yours sounds a lot better.
Plus, Sweden is a much better country anyway statistically.
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Post by JJ on May 9, 2015 2:00:15 GMT
Today's Independant: So total spend for 35,500 disabled people to help them work is too much, whereas 10 times that amount (£1bn) was pledged to abolish inheritance tax on £1m properties. Today was a bad day for our country and its humanity.
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Post by blaze on May 9, 2015 6:10:50 GMT
So they cut the funding that helps people with disabilities work at the same time they are/have cut 20% of valid dla claiments and make esa harder to claim and dcs cut tp dsa (especialy to ou, that obviously is more accessable to those with disablities in the first place) so making getting a decent education to get into work in the first place much harder...... Thats so illogical. I think sadly most of the tory voters this time will have voted that way out of stupidity. I can think of a number of peopke who loudly disagree with inheritance tax (on the likes of their parents 500k that will be split between 5 siblings) as their parents have already paid tax once failing to notice that their little piece of the pot isnt the issue. I think this is the biggest electorate issue at mo, imo, that the ring wing press has 'informed' people that the lazy fakers and scrongers are stealling all their hard earned taxes (even part time workers not oaying tax and claiming wtc seem to use this phrase) and given the squeezed mc a target to hate- so no one notices how tory cronies dont pay their share. The majority of people who vote tory will be worse off overall, in terms of nhs privatisation and uni fees for off spring and worse schools etc yet they think torys are helping them- because the media has done a number on them. Iv seen some truely stupid statements the last couple of days- torys help youngpeople through aprentiships- yep they pay a retail, care, nursery or mechanic aprentis a fourth of nmw that a school leaver cd get for doing the same job..... Or people saying they voted for torys because they will make a strong economy that will protect the nhs and education- but privatisation thats already begun and not hit the headlines wont, and free school meals for those who dont want or need them doesnt balance out cutting tas, cutting senco funds, pushing sats and draining teachers so they are all of sick wont..... Or the wounderful statement i heard from a working mother about how torys are helping feminists!?!?!? Obviusly hasnt noticed that the gender pay gap has increased for the first time ever this last gov...... Yet all these types of people, almost all who will be screwed (albiet not as much as the targed groups) under a tory gov are congratulating themselves on a great outcome-why, because of the manipulative effect of the media that makes these people believe these things. te author=" JJ" source="/post/88973/thread" timestamp="1431136815"]Today's Independant: So total spend for 35,500 disabled people to help them work is too much, whereas 10 times that amount (£1bn) was pledged to abolish inheritance tax on £1m properties. Today was a bad day for our country and its humanity. [/quote]
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Post by blaze on May 9, 2015 15:20:49 GMT
I have been do disproportionately (considering this isn't likely to directly negatively effect me) crying my eyes out and so fearful almost not only for the future but for who an earth these Tory (and worse) voters are- I avoiding people just in case they turn out to be happy about this election- anyways I guess for me this is tied up in worry about my kids starring at school next yr and everything that will come with that re diagnosis etc, so I guess that's why- benefit of it all it I worked my butt off in the gym today : )
Anyways, for anyone dispairing, there are some good points-more women MPs and more ethnic minority MPs (reportedly, I didn't actually count). And certainly from snooping around online some people seem to be gathering their anger to turn this around next time. Even seen people saying they are motivated to get involved locally. Voter reform looks to be pushed more, although of course this may prove s mixed blessing depending on view point. Personally I'd rather give the ukip their % of the seats and let those who vote for them see the reality of how they WD vote (because I suspect many who vote for ukip are just as heavily manipulated by the press and arnt aware that they are part of the demographic that ukip WD errase as they can't see past 'immigrants stealing our jobs and benefits etc' )
Iv seen a lot of people saying many Tory voters don't realise that they will be targeted also, and that they will jump ship next time-and I imagine pr WD much increase that likelihood.
While people will see different perspectives on SNP seats, I feel comforted (even though we are no longer in Scotland) knowing that they won't stand for the same right wing press manipulation Tory's actively indulge in. They may perhaps encourage a different bias, but exposure to differing POV, different analysis of the info etc, and the way media is shared these days, has to be a positive thing going forward.
I'm fearful there are those who won't make it to the next election or who will be destroyed by the Tory changes in between, which seems an incredulous thing to worry about in a free, safe, affluent country.
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Post by blaze on May 9, 2015 15:25:58 GMT
Oh and thanks you for this thread op
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Post by blaze on May 9, 2015 18:26:30 GMT
And if we are very lucky, and leaked reports are accurate, the un's investigatation into disability rights violations will proove the coalition were guilty, and shock (or shame) voters into rethinking.
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Post by mindblank on May 10, 2015 14:49:48 GMT
Do you guys think that the Tory-owned media warnings of an "ajockalypse" and warnings against the total global collapse that would follow an SNP-backed Labour government helped to frighten enough people in Conservative marginals to opt for Conservative? Where they may have otherwise gone UKIP, or Labour or Lib Dem? It only takes a few percent in these marginals to, e.g. oust Ed Balls where his majority was very slim. I think the fact that there seems to have been a number of different "swing trends" throughout the UK is interesting. But frustrating that the polls had us fooled. (I'm in Scotland so interested in how people in the rest of UK perceived this).
Despite huge Labour losses in Scotland, Labour increased its overall UK vote share by a larger percentage than the Conservatives increased theirs. Both were at the expense of the Lib Dems. Yet the Conservatives made much more seat gains than Labour would have even if Labour had retained their Scottish seats. So, given it was UKIP who made by far the biggest increases in vote share, it's as if the core Labour vote has been more split by UKIP than the Conservative vote? Which seems odd. Or am I talking pish?
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Post by mindblank on May 10, 2015 15:02:21 GMT
And if we are very lucky, and leaked reports are accurate, the un's investigatation into disability rights violations will proove the coalition were guilty, and shock (or shame) voters into rethinking. A nice thought. Unfortunately, I don't think enough voters care about disability rights nor mental health enough to change their voting tack on that alone. If it doesn't affect them, or are difficult to envisage, most people shrug those things off as I'm alright Jack, "not my problem". It seems that most of the Lib Dem seats have gone to the Tories and not Labour. If the Lib Dem support hadn't collapsed, this would not have occurred. It's almost perverse that the major factor in Lib Dem collapse was their "betrayal" on student fees, yet they've been largely replaced by Conservatives for whom student debt seems a dearly held belief of theirs. Much as I wouldn't vote Lib Dem, it's a pity their vote collapsed because they were a counter to the entrenched two-party state.
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Post by shapes on May 10, 2015 16:06:18 GMT
I think the SNP scare is probably what won the Conservatives a majority and probably helped them to hammer the Lib Dems so badly, especially in the South-West.
I think the other reason is undecided voters going for the status-quo and tipping the balance. Labour have been really poor at putting across a coherent list of policies over the last 5-years.
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Post by blaze on May 10, 2015 17:03:10 GMT
I wdnt be suprised if labour voters jumped to ukip- (while this is obviously a geberalisation and not meant about every single ukip voter) after the rich bigoted white male suppirt i think the average ukip votér wd be poorerly educated, unemployed or marginaly employed and heavily influened by the medias view of immagants as out to steal our jobs and defruad our benefit system- and i think previously these people wd have voted labour as they are considered the working class party. I think alot of people who are suffering genuinely lap up murdoch press about how we leak money to scavenger immigrants and i think often people jst arnt taught to question past the sound bites and even if they are the fear clouds judgement and the headlines and channel 5 programs and cheapy mag articles manipulate this fear that becomes hot housed by the climate of social media scaremongering that lets people avoid critical thinking without guilt. I dont actualy blame this demographic, however ugly it can get, and i think its very sad that they cant see they wd also be the people screwed by ukip- and i think seeing ukips voting stance on issues under pr may wake them up. Im not convinced no one cares about disability issues. 1 in 4 people have z mh problem, add in developmental disorders, physical disabilitys, illness like cancer, everyone iseffected in some way. I think people dont realise the extent of tje cuts -the un leak about investigating the uk for breaching disabilty rights was barely even reported, and the parallel investigation disability rights launched as a result gets no attention. If the un goes ahead we will be the first ever country investigated for this, now while tory press belittles the un thats still s huge shame to many people-and most dont know a thing about this. I think the press makes it seem like our econony is about to die a death, which must paralelle the fiacial sitaution of many homes right now, so they say we support disability benefits but there has to he cuts everywhere- all western countries have been borrowing and repaying for long beford my time, it may have got worse due to thatchers artificaly inflating our econony, and it cd be argued that labour didnt address thst the right way, but theres is obviously enough money in the ot to give big bankers tax breaks on bonouses, increase the inheritance tax limit to 1m (which looses the pot 1b and benefits only 4%) and to let amazon, starbuck et al of without paying tax, yet this isnever reported. The leaked (and disowned propsals aim to cut carers allowance and smp amoung others-yet means testing for winter fuel allowances is never looked at?? I digress-anyways, the people who vote tory but do care and think the pot is so dry even disabikity benefits need to loose ut arnt aware that these benefits only make up 3% of ss soending anyways- the amount scraped back is paltry in comparrison to even jst one of the tory tax loop holls- and people think that way because of the media. quote author=" mindblank" source="/post/89003/thread" timestamp="1431270141"] And if we are very lucky, and leaked reports are accurate, the un's investigatation into disability rights violations will proove the coalition were guilty, and shock (or shame) voters into rethinking. A nice thought. Unfortunately, I don't think enough voters care about disability rights nor mental health enough to change their voting tack on that alone. If it doesn't affect them, or are difficult to envisage, most people shrug those things off as I'm alright Jack, "not my problem". It seems that most of the Lib Dem seats have gone to the Tories and not Labour. If the Lib Dem support hadn't collapsed, this would not have occurred. It's almost perverse that the major factor in Lib Dem collapse was their "betrayal" on student fees, yet they've been largely replaced by Conservatives for whom student debt seems a dearly held belief of theirs. Much as I wouldn't vote Lib Dem, it's a pity their vote collapsed because they were a counter to the entrenched two-party state. [/quote]
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Post by contrarymary on May 10, 2015 21:00:53 GMT
It would seem that something like 37% of the people who voted, voted Tory. Ergo 63% of voters did not vote Tory. And 30% of voters didn't vote. So overall 24% of population voted Tory.
We have a government chosen by 24% of the country. Hardly a majority.
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