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Post by vagueandrandom on Aug 16, 2015 12:27:16 GMT
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Post by manson88 on Aug 16, 2015 15:05:37 GMT
Great to see someone who has first hand experience jumping into the face of the neurotypicals with the facts. I seen this one yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 19:43:34 GMT
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Post by manson88 on Aug 16, 2015 19:48:52 GMT
I read that the orther day in a waiting room. It was in the Belfast telegraph...
Such garbage , only for my dyslexia and my anxiety I would've replied.
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Post by manson88 on Aug 16, 2015 19:50:06 GMT
I read that the orther day in a waiting room. It was in the Belfast telegraph...
Such garbage , only for my dyslexia and my anxiety I would've replied.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 19:55:17 GMT
Ah, I see now, Brian Daniels is spokesperson for the main UK anti-psychiatry group: www.cchr.org.uk/I need to declare intellectual snobbery at this point. I have some sympathy with the critical psychiatry movement but, before I engage in any discussion about how stupid and ill-informed I may be in my medication choices, I always conduct a basic background grammar and comprehension check on the organisation and spokespeople concerned. EDIT: manson88, we cross-posted, and I just want to say that my grammar snark is aimed only at Brian Daniels and his Daily Mail-style ranting. I don't actually judge other people's use of language, unless they are arrogantly throwing stones at me from their own very fragile glass houses.
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Post by vagueandrandom on Aug 16, 2015 23:19:34 GMT
@pelargonium I agree with you on all points. It's good that there is discussion and the Guardian is an 'intelligent' place for it to happen. I was angry about the inaccuracies (NICE guidelines)and general vagueness about the reasons for increase in prescriptions and linking it to cuts in mental Health Services. It just wasn't a good article! I was then angered by the comments. I'm used to the arseholes BTL as I read them a lot and contribute from time to time. That's why my usernames are the same - I used my Guardian one here. I must also say that jonbob did a brilliant job of trying to be informative and fair in the BTL comments in the face of the arseholes - I knew it was him when he called me 'pickle'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 1:38:36 GMT
I agree with you, it is odd, lazy journalism in many ways, and I can't quite work out the why now factor, except that it is the summer holidays and he may have been nudged by his ed psy contacts?
The journalist, Daniel Boffey, wrote the 2014 article about Bruce Perry. The same journo also used to work for the Daily Mail, so there is that too....
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Post by blaze on Aug 17, 2015 7:49:38 GMT
Lazy journalism seems to be the in thing in our current culture
I can't open links/don't have energy to Google..... But, like pp says a discussion about medicating younger and younger children is important imo. My four yrolds almost certainly have my Adhd, and spd, and dyspraxia, apd, PDA are all being discussed in advance of up coming assessments, and likely early cahms referrals. Having experienced terrible side effects from stimulants, and bad ones from strattera (apong with great benefit far outweighing the side effects) Iwould be horrified to even consider medicating them for along time yet. I need for the girls to be old enough to have the awareness and communication skills to accurately report side effects before we would look at medication. Im also sick of the idea that medicating kids with ADHD 'fixes' their behaviour- Adhd meds in my experience help focus/organisation- I would look to medicate them if it would make this easier for them, and therefore help within school/exams. If the side effect of ADHD struggles being easier for them is that they feel less angry (and with adhds obvious lack of impulse control this can include explosive or aggressive behaviour) then that's great, but that's not the main point of meds imo. While my girls emotions maybe supersize, and often overwhelming for them I find it much healthier to look at holistic approach for managing these and enabling them to develop the emotional regulation to manage them the same way I would with any child. I hate the concept that giving meds is to control their behaviour for them (and I hate the naughty child myth in the first place)
Sorry, exhaustion will mean this reads highledly piggledy
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Post by jonbob on Aug 18, 2015 17:05:45 GMT
@pelargonium I agree with you on all points. It's good that there is discussion and the Guardian is an 'intelligent' place for it to happen. I was angry about the inaccuracies (NICE guidelines)and general vagueness about the reasons for increase in prescriptions and linking it to cuts in mental Health Services. It just wasn't a good article! I was then angered by the comments. I'm used to the arseholes BTL as I read them a lot and contribute from time to time. That's why my usernames are the same - I used my Guardian one here. I must also say that jonbob did a brilliant job of trying to be informative and fair in the BTL comments in the face of the arseholes - I knew it was him when he called me 'pickle' Hence the use of the appropriate cheese related condiment. In all seriousness though. I'm planning on sticking a complaint in to the paper about that piece. Not so much the article itself. Although it was sensationalist to a degree, I guess in this day and age, you can't get away from that. What really pissed me off is that there was absolutely no value in opening the article up for comment in the first place. It brought about polarised opinion and a lot of hateful (either wilfully or as a result of ignorance) comments. You'd have thought that a little bit of common sense, might have been worthwhile applying here, but apparently not. For the sake of clarity, here was my final comment: " I'm going to ask a genuine question now of all of those people who have commented on this article in a negative capacity. Why do you think it acceptable to attack those that have the condition, as well as their family members?
It's widely acknowledged that people with ADHD have difficulty with retaining control in social situations. Often speaking without thinking, regretting things that they have said and done. A lack of 'executive function' being the culprit for that one. We also tend to be more emotionally sensitive and have trouble keeping those emotions in check on occasion.
I appreciate that CiF is an anonymous forum, but I'm asking - indeed imploring - that if you have an issue with ADHD as a concept. Don't believe it exists. Don't like what 'big pharma' are doing. Or even if you're just having a bad day. Can you please take that elsewhere? I think that I speak for everyone here who is having to read your comments, that many of the things are being seen as very hurtful. And given that us ADHDers and our families have often gone through a lot of pain to get to the point of diagnosis and treatment, can you be more respectful and sensitive to that fact?
Thank you in advance.
Jon" A request made whilst dealing with an awful lot of unpleasant, suspicious and downright disrespectful individuals. Not bad for someone with ADHD right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 2:11:05 GMT
Brian Daniels is a fart knocker.
There, that's my contribution.
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