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Post by mrsh on Jan 15, 2016 0:12:04 GMT
Arrrrrgh, have anyone else had this from professionals? I have not been great the past few months and it has got worse recently. Mental health professionals have said this to me so many times. Yes, I am sadly aware of how I feel and that my actions feel like an out of body experience that I am very aware of. Why does this mean to them, that I am fine. I must be ok? Sorry to rant but I cannot be bothered with this s**t anymore Em.
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Post by vagueandrandom on Jan 16, 2016 15:07:02 GMT
. . . another 'me to' . . . this is why I don't get on with CBT.
I am incredibly self-aware. I know that my emotional responses/reactions/actions are OTT/inappropriate/irrational etc.
BUT. . .I can't stop or change them, however much I try.
I over-analyse everything and understand what is and isn't 'normal' and 'appropriate' but trying to hold everything in to conform is maybe even worse that letting my emotions and impulses take over.
I hope you're having a better day today.
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Post by mrsh on Jan 21, 2016 12:23:36 GMT
Yeah they keep suggesting CBT then as soon as I go for the first session they say oh this won't suit you. I don't always know when I am being irrational or inappropriate but after I can describe in detail how I felt and what was happening. I wish I couldn't in a way,may be taken more seriously. I am up and down like a yo yo at the moment. My moods are all over the place, worse that for a while. One mood isn't lasting long so I am exhausted with it all.
Thank you for the reply x
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Post by dizzydee on Feb 4, 2016 1:06:33 GMT
I have been told that recently from DWP I have gone from 17 point to 0 in 12 months... really pisses you off just because you are aware does not make it any easier in fact harder if think ignorance is bliss and all that!!
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Post by vagueandrandom on Feb 4, 2016 2:03:17 GMT
What this makes me think/say is shit fuck wank bollocks cunt!!!
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Post by vagueandrandom on Feb 4, 2016 2:05:42 GMT
Sorry. . .
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Post by mrsh on Feb 4, 2016 11:32:27 GMT
No appology needed, couldn't have put it better myself
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:13:49 GMT
I hope you can, the grammar is appalling!
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Post by Rebel on Feb 5, 2016 12:33:16 GMT
Oh wow is this a thing? I thought my kind of dissociative moments were just a me thing? I also am aware that a lot of my actions are completely irrational or not normal but am unable to stop them. Trying to explain that to other people is awful. "If you know you're doing it then just stop" - that sort of thing.
I've been referred to CBT but its for my GAO and panic attacks not my ADHD, I'm wondering if I'm going to have the same problem though now. Oh dear.
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Post by marionk on Feb 16, 2016 17:42:00 GMT
I think I have misunderstood what cbt is for years.
I thought it was about changing someone's response to something.
Classic example being phobic reactions modified to 'aww isn't it cute'
I was going to post to the effect that:- if simply being aware that your fear of spiders is irrational was enough to cure it,
then what is cbt for?
But it seems that's not what it does, anyway, so I am now totally confused and wondering what on earth cbt really is,
what therapy is used to modify behaviour, and why on earth would anyone think that simply knowing you have a problem
would be enough to change the way you deal with something.
That's exactly like telling someone with a phobia, "Ok, you know you have a phobia of spiders so just stop screaming when you see one."
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Post by contrarymary on Feb 16, 2016 22:19:29 GMT
hi clubbyi believe the one you are thinking about might be behaviour modification therapy which has got a lot of critics as well as supporters. at times it seems like animal behaviour training. (and i think there's been a thread about this in the last year)
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Post by vagueandrandom on Feb 17, 2016 0:28:54 GMT
marionk I think (could be wrong) that CBT for phobias would be the gradual introduction to, say spiders, and to de-sensitise. My issue with CBT is that you're given scenarios for situations and you say how you'd instinctively react and then 'realise' the 'idealised' reaction. . . and the realisation (self-awareness) is supposed to help you affect some changes in behaviour/reaction which will miraculously make your life better. . . BUT . . .how is it if you know the answers, but can't make your brain believe them?
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Post by marionk on Feb 17, 2016 8:14:03 GMT
Ok, I have delved a bit more.
cbt is supposed to change the way a person behaves, but just how it's supposed to do that is not so clear.
A lot of places make it look like simply making you aware of the way you think is all there is to it,
and clearly this is also, unfortunately, how a lot of practitioners think it's supposed to work.
There is, or rather, should be, more to it than that though, but it's only been developed for certain particular problems.
So basically, while in theory cbt should be beneficial, (which is what the doc knows about cbt), in practice,
for any situation other than those specific problems, no-one has any idea how to take it any further than the first basic step.
So, yeah, what vagueandrandom said first seems about right.
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Post by clubby on Feb 17, 2016 9:15:39 GMT
hi clubby i believe the one you are thinking about might be behaviour modification therapy which has got a lot of critics as well as supporters. at times it seems like animal behaviour training. (and i think there's been a thread about this in the last year) Is this a cross reference to another thread? How clever. My brain was corfuddled for a minute! I have been told by a counsellor that I am very self aware. I know nothing about therapies other than having a good old natter to those who are interested to listen. I mentioned phobias in another thread and I think contrarymary has zipped me through a black hole to this thread. I have managed to overcome a few phobias in my life. Going forward from what vagueandrandom said about CBT, perhaps counsellors are not fully aware of how the intellect is split between "rational know-how" and "irrational terror". Maybe to qualify as a therapist you should be afraid of heights and pass a Bungee Jumping test.
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Post by contrarymary on Feb 17, 2016 10:27:28 GMT
hi clubby i believe the one you are thinking about might be behaviour modification therapy Is this a cross reference to another thread? How clever. My brain was corfuddled for a minute! I mentioned phobias in another thread and I think contrarymary has zipped me through a black hole to this thread. Actually clubby i think what happened was that I speed-read a number of threads when i arrived here yesterday evening after a long day. i read the thread you mention above, then marionk 's post on this thread and responded as tho they were one conjoined post. sorry for any confusion - and well done for making the connection
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Post by clubby on Feb 17, 2016 12:37:59 GMT
Hi contrarymaryMaking connections is what I do best. Thanks to your post I connected my phobia post right back to myself. So instead of giving advice on phobias I am now sitting in my office facing my own phobia. Shakin' in my boots, drowning out my fear with Val Doonican singing merrily in the background. What is rational about a fear of filing? Well my brain is terrified of it because I can't get a handle on it. When I file I lose things. I have had 99,000 systems of filing in my life. Now I have a big fat phobia about it. My adult closed minded personna thinks I'm pathetic, filing is easy. But my child open minded personna sees a whole world of systems all equally valid, all exciting, all worthy. Yet little clubby can't chose and she is being swamped with filing ideas. Adult Clubby says "for goodness sake get on with it". Little Clubby says "but all your filing systems have been crap for me" So who is more rational Adult Clubby who has learnt to salute the powers who tell us all how we should be according to their mindset. Or is Little Clubby more rational because she is listening to the mechanisms of her mind and knows that her filing system has to be unique to overcome the hidden disabilities in her brain. Beep beep Hyperfocus coming on. Back to the phobia Aghhhh
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