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Post by anopheles on Feb 18, 2016 0:26:50 GMT
For the neurotypical, really.
In case you've ever wondered:
Imagine we walk into a cafe together in silence. By the time I have walked to a table at the far end of the small room I have:
Imagined sex with all the attractive people (blame the testosterone). Including combinations (ditto testosterone).
Felt guilty about half of them (blame the Catholicism)
Spent time thinking about Catholicism and when it split from Orthodox Christianity and the Cathar Heresy where they blinded a lot of people.
Then thought about the South of France where it was based
Then thought about the White Horses of the Camargue
Then thought about the Michael Moorcock Series of the Eternal Champion (Set in the Camargue). Then thought about the cool masks the bad guys wore.
Examined the menu on the wall and decided that the writer of the deals went to a school that didn't spend enough time with the writer on the possessive apostrophe.
Also noted three spelling mistakes and that Cappacino coffee is named after Capuchin Monks who wore brown, unlike the Franciscans who wore Black.
And we're back to Catholicism
Noted that Meningitis (on someone's lapel badge) is an anagram of Siting Mine. Wishing I could think of better, but the letters are limited.
Wondered if I was going to get a cold because the woman at the side of me sneezed without an handkerchief.
Thought about the plague. Wished it would come back and be the big societal leveller it was in the 14c that helped break Serfdom in western Europe. It didn't finish in Russia until the 1870's which is one of the reasons the Communist revolution took hold.
All this in ten or less seconds and my partner is wondering why I didn't hear her ask about what I wanted to drink and did I know my t-shirt was on back to front?
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Just thought you'd like to know. And maybe why I get 'that look' when someone says 'Oh, I forget my keys sometimes, maybe I have ADHD'?
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Post by Kathymel on Feb 18, 2016 15:00:24 GMT
And maybe why I get 'that look' when someone says 'Oh, I forget my keys sometimes, maybe I have ADHD'? All of what you said, but I particularly liked the last sentence. My ex started claiming ADHD almost as soon as I'd finished explaining it. He has a history of catching every illness I've ever had as soon as I got it, with the result that I never got any sympathy when I was ill. When he said he thought he had it too, he caught one of the most explosive rants of our long relationship given that he has always been my most enthusiastic critic. Don't get me wrong, he's lovely - he can just be a twat, sometimes.
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Post by anopheles on Feb 19, 2016 1:24:27 GMT
And maybe why I get 'that look' when someone says 'Oh, I forget my keys sometimes, maybe I have ADHD'? All of what you said, but I particularly liked the last sentence. My ex started claiming ADHD almost as soon as I'd finished explaining it. He has a history of catching every illness I've ever had as soon as I got it, with the result that I never got any sympathy when I was ill. When he said he thought he had it too, he caught one of the most explosive rants of our long relationship given that he has always been my most enthusiastic critic. Don't get me wrong, he's lovely - he can just be a twat, sometimes. That's like the opposite of what happened with my gf. She'd lapsed from understanding a couple of times (she's only human) and given me a couple of the 'Why can't you pull your head out of the clouds?' and "I'd wish you stop acting like a child!" comments. So I looked up that '20 Things you need to know about the person you love with ADHD' (or something). I was reading it, thinking I'd show it her and she maybe be a teensy bit more understanding and I find I'm describing her rather than me a lot. I'm sorta atypical in that I don't have the explosive and impulsive emotions (although I can sulk like a god, I get a bit giddy with excitement and face is not made for poker), but a lot of that article described that part of her down to a t and then the inability to follow drama plots, can't keep to schedules and other things and now she's investigating the possibility that she has at least a co-morbid ADHD herself. She's had a lot of diagnoses, but she feels that, because of her gender and age, medical professionals have seen her has 'highly strung' and given her diagnosis of Bipolar, Co-dependency, and most recently BPD, but she doesn't feel that BPD is right, because she doesn't feel 'empty' inside and she isn't constantly trying to fill that hole (sorry if that is a redux description, but it's all I have).
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Post by annie on Feb 19, 2016 9:59:25 GMT
Hi anopheles
Love your description of your initial 10 second appraisal of the cafe - what a lot you got through!!
It's interesting your partner's (have I got that ' in the right place?!) questioning of her own dx's. Given that adult ADHD has only been recognised in the last 7-8 years, I think there's a lot of people out there who have been "labeled" wrongly or, not had the underlying issue of undx ADHD recognised. Without this, many people go through life with this itch that says -" this dx can't explain everything?"
I have a theory, completely untested, that some people come together because of the very attractive qualities they find in somebody else with ADHD/undx ADHD. Having ADHD can make for a very entertaining night out and certainly be an attraction for those who haven't got the energy/ability to let loose with their free reign of thought. The problem comes when you have to tackle those mundane parts of life like paying bills, getting to places on time, remembering important family events, all the things which help keep positive social relationships ticking over.
You said,in an earlier post, that you were dx in the Bolton area so does that mean your partner might be able to be seen by the same psychiatrist? We're always keen to build up information which identifies possible areas of "good/helpful" practice. Would you be willing to share which MHT you went through and what happened during your journey through the NHS. It might help current members of the forum or others who come along in the future.
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Post by blaze on Feb 19, 2016 11:01:39 GMT
Side note but why do you say adult adhd has only been recognised in the last 7-8 yrs?
I had an adult dx nearly 15yrs ago, from a cobsultant psych not adhd specialist (but with specialist interest due to his owe adult dx of adhd) and that was in an area that still didn't have a specialist adhd until for kids let alone adults at the point i left three yrs ago. I was then treated by another consultant pysch who said he had several adult patients with adhd dx (when we discussed his experiemce of med combos, nothing unprofessional). Admittedly my ss records say i had a private adhd dx as a kid but medical records don't show this.
All of the literature i read at the time wasn't new, had private (american if it makes a difference) truama pysch be totally non plussed about adult adhd dx when we discussed it, he point out high comorbidity of adhd & other mh problems in adults (ptsd at the time) & the student disability advisor was familar with it, as were rhymetotolgy, pain climic consultants etc that i saw then for ed/hmjs- as there is a high cross over (and that is considered a much newer recognised disorder & certainly one i find people know nothing about, not even the name) & ot department at work plus my own managers weren't surprised at adult dx.
I get it's not as well recognised/treated as it shd be- but why 7-8yr (think thats what you said....) ago specificly, especially when in a teeny corner of the country i found plenty of recognition nearly 15yrs ago(although limited understanding in somerespects), especially somewhere that still doesn't even have the funding/time/knoweldge to open an adult adhd clinic. Why do you say that time line specificly?
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Post by annie on Feb 19, 2016 14:12:05 GMT
Hi blaze
Wow you were lucky finding a Psychiatrist 15 years ago who recognised Adult ADHD!! I have met someone (don't think it's you?) who was fortunate enough to be seen by Prof Nutt, 15 years ago.
Brief history; Until 1992 clinical practice in the NHS was largely led by individuals (Consultants,Nurses, OT's, Physio etc)using their own experience/knowledge to direct how they would provide treatment.Since 1992 there has been a growing trend to use Evidence Based Medicine(EBM) in the NHS as a way of bringing more consistency in practice to the NHS. The evidence used has 3 elements to it a)using the best available research evidence to inform clinical practice b)clinical expertise and c)patient preference.
In 1999 NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence) was set up "to reduce variation in the availability and quality of NHS treatment and care." In 2005 it began developing public health guidance to prevent ill health and promote healthier lifestyles. In 2013 Nice became an independent statutory body under the Health and Social Care Act 2012 and it took on added responsibility for providing guidance and quality standards for social care. It is independent of Government.
In 2008 NICE brought out Clinical Guidance for the assess/dx and treatment of ADHD. Up until that time the perceived wisdom amongst practitioners was that young people grew out of ADHD. Extensive review of research, clinical expertise and patient experience confirmed, for the first time, that in a significant number of young people, the impairment suffered actually carried through into adulthood. That's where I get the 7-8 years.
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Post by blaze on Feb 19, 2016 14:28:13 GMT
Thanks for explaintion
i don't think i am that rare though, like i said it was three pyschs i personally saw around then, and i also worked as mh recovery worker soon enough after & all the pyschs etc i dealt with were accepting (i am v open about it) and i also spent alot of time on (national & world wide) abuse survivor forums around that time and spoke to several other people with adhd as one of their many dx & no one brought up problems having it accepted/recognised.
I guess thats the thing though, those of us who have positive experiemces of dx don't come online to talk about it or lpok for support to address not being listenedto etc.
And yes lucky perhaps, but then every dxi have says severe & i have a variety of co-morbids so i maybe got greater recognitoon due to that, which isn't exactly lucky. It's not really a word that shd be applied to others lives.
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Post by computermandan on Feb 24, 2016 12:55:59 GMT
hehehe - this made me giggle. identify with this So much. yet to understand why people think I'm listening to them just because I happen to be looking in their general direction (if they looked harder they might note glazed eyeballs). as for the Catholic guilt haha - I often shake my head in a "NO stop thinking about that to yourself, it's just plain wrong" Catholic guilt kind of way - so much a good friend (that I've obviously lost touch with) once asked me "Dan whenever you walk past good looking ladies in a nightclub you always start shaking your head about like an excitable puppy... what the hell are you doing???" I used to think of it as 300mph tangent syndrome... I guess now it has a proper name Loving the description I'd say it was pretty accurate alas - I should be working... or so I've just been reminded.
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