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Post by magicnick1990 on May 10, 2009 12:00:31 GMT
I really can't be bothered to explain why I think he has it because if I start typing then I will not stop for an hour lol.
But anyone who is a big fan of his and has seen his DVD extras and knows his personality I think will get what I mean.
So... RG fans, do you think he has it? He seems very ADHD to me.
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Post by I am not Ricky Gervais on May 11, 2009 6:27:37 GMT
This forum is in danger of loosing credibility.
This forum once produced helpful information, but people now seem for focused on Celebs having ADHD.
Ricky Gervais does not have ADHD nor does Eminem and finally Green Day.
How are we going to teach the UK about adhd when this website is becoming like all the rest, people having a go at each other and writing stupid things about celebs, please let's stick to the every day struggle of a UK adult with ADHD.
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Post by annie on May 11, 2009 6:37:13 GMT
Hi guest
Sometimes the intensity of the task requires one to make "a bit of light relief" to see the task through!
annie
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Post by twix on May 11, 2009 7:07:32 GMT
Hi not Ricky. The everyday struggles of an adult with ADHD is something I can tell you about. Part of it is feeling like you are the only one who acts like this. Finding this board made me feel better and I think its worse for other people because my family are rather like me too. Anyway, whilst I can see what you mean, about celebrities and speculating, seeing your behaviour reflected in others makes people feel like you are not alone. It doesn't matter if its a celebrity or not. As for your comment that they don't have it, unless you are qualified and have assessed those people then you can't really say that, any more than my GP saying I can't have it, or the woman from the mental health who told me over the phone (never having met me) that I couldn't have it. Anyway that's just my 2p worth, hope you don't think I am having a go, its not meant that way
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Post by lily on May 11, 2009 7:38:46 GMT
Hi Nick
Well I've never seen much of Ricky Gervais' stuff so I wouldnt be able to pass judgement on that but the 1 thing I did watch was the DVD extras of him and karl pilkington on the politics tour. God the 1st time I watched that I was in pain from laughing!
Hi Guest
Well I appreciate what youre trying to say but from Nicks points of view i've found myself observing people before, celebrities and non-celebrities and have thought they seem to have adhd tendencies wonder if they have it? Sometimes when I find stuff out I just wanna tell people straight away and a lot of the time I come on the forum and post things and Nick was probably just doing the same if it was something hes really interested about.
I don't think i've ever witnessed people having a go at each other on here which is the main reason I use this forum. Its friendly and people are very kind and always willing to offer advice.
When it does start to become 'one of those' forums, i'm off!!
Lily x
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 10:00:46 GMT
Guest, I hardly see how a couple of threads about famous people who may or may not have ADHD is dominating the minds of our forum users, compared to the vast amount of other threads it is merely a piddly little diversion.
I hope i am speaking for most people on here when i say that 'credibility' is not on our priority list, we come on this forum to be one of many like minded souls, an escape from the experience of the wider world where we are on the outside and misunderstood.
The sense of belonging is more important to me than any amount of supposed 'credibility' so i for one will make it my personal mission to post as many purile threads about celebrities as i can think of, just because i know i am talking to people who understand what its like to be like me!!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 10:52:40 GMT
This forum is in danger of loosing credibility. This forum once produced helpful information, but people now seem for focused on Celebs having ADHD. Has it stopped being a good resource? And it's a couple of threads - not the entire output. Ricky Gervais does not have ADHD nor does Eminem and finally Green Day. Maybe, maybe not. How are we going to teach the UK about adhd when this website is becoming like all the rest, people having a go at each other and writing stupid things about celebs, please let's stick to the every day struggle of a UK adult with ADHD. Whilst I feel that such threads should be in the lounge area (speculation not being 'fact') it does serve a useful function. Firstly it helps us in identifying in others what we see in ourselves and if a little speculation encourages a discourse in the matter (positive or negative) there is still something to be learned. If a 'celeb' is known to have ADHD that also serves us well in being a positive affirmation and a role model that says success is not denied ADHDers. And what other branch of society is known to most than those in entertainment? Saying that my brother is a great, but unsung, achiever (with ADHD) is just dead words on a page. We can relate to those that invade all our lives through the media. I went to a support group last week and tried to tell some parents about what ADHD 'was'. I got all technical and scientific and forgot that what I was actually asked to do was provide an insight into the disorder to help them understand their kids. Worthyness is not a good teacher.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 11:21:26 GMT
Hi Magic nick
I dont know if RG has Adhd, I hope not because he annoys me ;D I did like him in ghost town though. Hey lets not worry about the negative comments, I think most of us agree we need a little light relief from the down side of ADHD. As other have said, speculating about the possiblity of high achieving ADDers give us some hope! xx
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 11:53:26 GMT
maybe but hes not very funny
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Post by magicnick1990 on May 12, 2009 2:03:52 GMT
Yeah... Well everybody who I've read up on that is either known to have it or speculated seems to be high-achieving in a certain field.
Eminem and RG seem very ADHD to me.
Eminem: - As a child he used rock back n forth so much his teachers thought he was retarded.
- If you look at any of his lyric sheets... Wow lol. I mean, linked thought tangents tour de force.
- If you watch clips of him on video sets etc... Well I don't know about the rest of you but with some people I'm constantly doing stupid faces n' voices etc. He's always doing this. Like Robin Williams, a human cartoon.
- He's known to have big depression stints or certainly have had them. Drug addiction also.
- He said when he's doing his albums he's... "In a zone" and can't really speak or do anything else. He just has to do that one thing. Sounds like hyper-focus to me!
Ricky Gervais: - He's made an art out of annoying lmao. I used to do this a lot with my one friend and do it a lot in general. Just walk around making a stupid noise until that person flips, then laugh your heart out.
- His mood is up and down, he's very hyper.
- He's got an extremely high irrability rate. People eating too loudly, sniffing, coughing etc. All these things which most people don't even notice drive him mad.
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The irritability thing is a big thing for me too. When he complains about that stuff I totally relate lol. Somebody... Breathing too loud can drive me mad. It's like a higher awareness of surrounding that fuels short-temper.
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Post by I am not Ricky Gervais on May 12, 2009 19:33:25 GMT
Having ADHD, I dislike other people speculating in potential celebs have the diagnoses, do we have to constantly compare to celebs in this world?
ADHD is very real in Adults, Pinkbeauty has done some tremendous work for adults with ADHD and I would hate to see her hard work done, because of idiots constantly trying to compare to celebs.
I would completely kick off at work if someone said to me, you have ADHD like eminem.... like it's a designer disorder, but if you people feel comfortable with that, then, whatever.
Planetdave!
Why do you feel the need to highlight what I say, it comes across as extremely patronising and singular!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 20:12:46 GMT
dear i am not Ricky,
this forum is just a small community, not a campaign group. we have no manifesto, we're here to support each other. and just like every group of people, we sometimes disagree, and sometimes talk about celebrities, and sometimes moan about life in general. i understand that you feel trying to identify celebs with the disorder trivialises it. but for some people it's reasuring, not to mention, entertaining. you have ADHD, and you're clearly passionate about the way ADHD's represented, so why not; pick a funny username, join the group, and help make the forum even better. -matt
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 20:56:43 GMT
Planetdave! Why do you feel the need to highlight what I say, it comes across as extremely patronising and singular! Patronising? I singled out points that I wanted to discuss and I feel that I did it in an adult manner. Your original post in this thread was critical of a sensationalist attitude and I believe I heeded that and was pretty sensitive in how I disagreed with you. Have you spotted the irony yet?
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Post by roland on May 12, 2009 22:06:29 GMT
Hi Not Ricky,
Welcome to the forum and thank you for your kind comments about Pinkbeauty. I've passed them on to her because she has worked really hard on our website and has done a beautiful job and it's nice to get a thank you every now and then. Kinda makes the world a brighter and better place doesn't it?
Anyway, welcome to the forum, and thank you for your feedback. If there's any information you would like to see added, just let us know, and we'll do our best to provide it.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 23:17:36 GMT
You know I spend all my days avoiding arguments as it seems my life has been full of them since I was a kid. Please oh please dont let this place become an argumental place.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 23:18:29 GMT
Did I really just say that?!!!!
LMAO, oh yeah, its because it doesnt count when its me that causes it ;D
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Post by magicnick1990 on May 13, 2009 2:06:07 GMT
No, 'not Ricky', you're looking way too much into this. You've turned a throwaway, flippant, chatty-esque point of a post into a psychological brawling match. It's nothing other than face value. I am a fan of Ricky Gervais. I observe people. I happened to notice that he displays a lot of behaviour similar to the traits of Adult ADHD. So it's purely on a humanistic, speculative level. There's no altierior internal motive, aimed at giving myself some self-superiority complex. IT'S JUST A POST. ON A FORUM. FOR A CHAT. SPECULATION. OBSERVATION. At no point would, if even I found out Gervais did have it would I use it as some gloating and boasting effect of which to draw upon. So slow your roll
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Post by pinkbeauty on May 13, 2009 7:24:50 GMT
Having ADHD, I dislike other people speculating in potential celebs have the diagnoses, do we have to constantly compare to celebs in this world? ADHD is very real in Adults, Pinkbeauty has done some tremendous work for adults with ADHD and I would hate to see her hard work done, because of idiots constantly trying to compare to celebs. Hi, I'm not quite sure what to say to this but I don't think its very nice to call people idiots. I must admit, now knowing the traits of ADHD, I do the very same thing and try and identify people who I think may have it (both celebrities, ex boyfriends etc!). A lot of celebrities do have ADHD because of who we are and the type of personalities we are. There is probably a lot more who likely do have it but who possibly wouldn't even know themselves. Personally, I don't have a problem at all with people identifying known traits in celebrities and speculating about whether they have it, it is light relief, and also comforting. I'm not sure why I was singled out as working hard as there are a lot of others (especially on this board) who are working very hard to raise awareness of Adult ADHD but thanks for the appreciation anyway. PB
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 8:57:10 GMT
Is this just a refelection of an ADHD trait? Shouting for your cause? I know if there is something I feel strongly about I have a tendance to ermmm labour the point x
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 9:08:01 GMT
There are some sound reasons why people identify with celebrities. Sociologists have speculated that in this day and age the breakdown of our traditional family and social groupings mean we have less people to turn to for advice on life issues, so we are filling the information gap by following the lives of celebrities. Wanna know how to deal with a tempestuous relationship? Buy a copy of Heat and see what Amy/ Katie/ Jennifer is doing. Its a sad inditement of the modern age but its a reflection of the adaptive nature of humans that we will find the things we need to get by from one source or another.
Secondly, for minority groups representation is hugely important, wider society would quite happily believe everyone in the world was white, married, middle class, able bodied, not ADHD if it wasn't for minorities pushing to be represented equally in their rose tinted view of the world.
To be in a minority group and have no representation is crushing, I personally couldn't care less if any celebrity has ADHD or not but to have them openly talking about it would make a big difference to people who have got ADHD.
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Post by magicnick1990 on May 14, 2009 3:34:22 GMT
@lemonsnake, in response to your post...
I think it's a bit unfair to lump Ricky Gervais in with 'celebrities' and the people you usually see in Heat. The people you often see in Heat are people who've done nothing and are literally famous for being famous.
They're no more, actually... Probably LESS interesting and ten times more annoying than your next door neighbour and usually have nothing to offer other than the plans of their next wedding or birthplace of their cousin's next baby.
I think the quest for fame as in the sole quest is shallow and tacky.
People like Jordan and Posh who just do anything to get their face in tomorrow's paper I don't follow, don't admire and can't stand lol.
Ricky Gervais however has created two of the funniest sitcoms ever, is a hilarious comedy actor, brilliant stand-up, writer and a generally very very intelligent man who knows a lot about life.
I know about him from his DVDs and his Podcasts. I don't read Heat lol.
So the only reason I've identified with him is because I'm very aware of him because I'm a fan of his work and agree with his thinking and output on life.
He happens to be famous but I don't quest for famous people who may have it. It just so happens that I am a fan of Gervais and to me it looks like he has the strong traits of ADHD. I'm not trying to make it fit, it just became apparent to me whilst watching him.
I also think somebody else who I know has it. He's a very intelligent guy I met... Last year at some point, lived in the same house as him for like 6 months.
So I think it's more to just do with who you consume yourself with and what type of people you're drawn to.
And if you consume yourself with certain people and you are an observer and like to analyze and disect, like I do, sometimes. Then I think you'll notice these things. It's not an active seek to identify, just chance discovery.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2009 8:37:37 GMT
magicnick,
I think you've slightly missed the point about what i was saying, you seem to have been diverted by the semantics of the word 'celebrity'. I was defending your interest in famous people possibly having ADHD, you were the target of an unfair response.
On a slight tangent, you are also correct about Ricky not falling into the same category as Jordan and Peter et al. An academic has even went so far as to invent a new category of celebrity, V-celebrity, basically people who are famous just for being famous. But you can't deny that he still gets his photo in the Sun when he's out jogging!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2009 9:19:57 GMT
Thats cos he's fat though, and its funny:)
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Post by magicnick1990 on May 14, 2009 9:37:53 GMT
Yeah he does, but he doesn't want to lol. He doesn't do any of what he does to get his face in the paper. He does it because he loves the artistry and the creation and the output.
Where as people like Jordan ONLY care about getting in the paper and getting more money. There's no other motive, they're normal, less than average intelligence, shallow tacky people lol. They live their life like an open wound. Sell their soul to the devil for the sake of another ass or fanny shot for the family clippings.
N' yeah if you were defending me thanks. I didn't miss the point though, I just went out of my way to clarify that on no level to I identify with the average 'celebrity' lol. All the people I admire are academics, like Gervais and Eminem. And I know if you haven't listened to much of Em's music that might sound like an overstatement but trust me, he is lol.
And... Richard Dawkins, Derren Brown. All these people are just very interesting, intelligent people with a lot to say about a lot and a great deal of creativity and charisma.
Again, rambling. Just wanted to make it absolutely clear lmao. I think it's crystal now. Peace.
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Post by I am not Ricky Gervais on May 15, 2009 8:55:08 GMT
mrsmuddle was the only person to really get the point.
I apologize if I offended anyone by calling them idiots.
It's just in an already celebrity world, we have to keep trying to compare to these people and there is no point in saying we don't because we do.
These people don't have to get up every morning and sit in an office or stand in a shop all day, that makes me sound resentful, but I'm not.
These people have someone helping them constantly, they don't have to wait 6 weeks to see someone in there local mental health centre.
I used the term designer, purely on the basis that if kids think it's cool to have ADHD because eminem has it or am I missing the point on that one.
I feel really strongly about adult ADHD and get offended and try and shout my point across.
So apoogise once more.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 9:20:17 GMT
not just mrsmuddle, not ricky, don't apologise.
Personally, I couldnt care less which celebs might have adhd, unless they are willing to come out, talk about it and advocate for us like ty pennington off extreme makeover.
all i know is like many others on this forum i have it, it has been a real struggle to get help on the NHS (5 f*cking years- am sorry if i sound bitter- unlike these celebs i didn't have the means to go private) & it causes me VERY real problems.
I like a laugh as much as the next person but sometimes some of the crap that is spouted on here mainly by newer members is beginning to really put me off and that's a shame because most people are very helpful.
Btw Jordan, like her or not, (i'm no fan) is a very shrewd businesswoman. I doubt she would have got so far if she was of below average intelligence.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 10:48:35 GMT
These people don't have to get up every morning and sit in an office or stand in a shop all day, that makes me sound resentful, but I'm not. These people have someone helping them constantly, they don't have to wait 6 weeks to see someone in there local mental health centre. 'These people' aren't born celebrities with PAs and private medicine.
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Post by I am not Ricky Gervais on May 15, 2009 18:33:52 GMT
As per "seemingly" usual, planetdave doesn't agree with something and has to put 2 more pennies in.
How about this!
I was wrong planetdave, you are right, they are not born with PA and Private medicine.
Perhaps you would like to share some of your insight into the life of the rich and famous...seeing though you know some much about everything.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 19:29:18 GMT
I have opinions - but I like to keep them civil And the wonderful thing about the internet is that you never know the background of the strangers you are posting with. Ironically..........I do happen to have known some rich and famous people ;D But I don't know everything. HTH
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Post by sherry on May 15, 2009 21:02:02 GMT
I don't think any of the afore mentioned celebs have necessarily got ADHD. I can't stand Ricky Gervais he is sooooo boring, way too boring to have ADHD. I do agree with the guest that some of the speculating on here is trivial and ppl are far too willing to jump on the band wagon or drag celebs on to it. HOWEVER I think guest needs to be a little less defensive. We want healthy debate, we DON'T want arguments. Remember there are different levels of intelligence and maturity (age) on here, so we are not likely to get generic conversations .
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