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Post by kakema on Nov 20, 2011 18:50:58 GMT
You're not listening. It's not the fucking government you're screwing. It's people. Where do you think the money comes from? Other people's graft.
Please stop talking, now.
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Post by adamv on Nov 20, 2011 18:52:35 GMT
?? I work and pay for them also (I still pay my tax's) and get paid less than they do for paying for them? I'm sorry but the only person getting screwed over here is me and everyone else who would be better off on benefits.
Clearly your someone who is on benefits or works and gets paid more than someone in my situation so your likely to not understand. For you it must feel like I am taking stuff away from you i guess?
For me though its totally different I am also working and people are also taking money away from me much like from yourself (im talking about people on Job seekers not looking for jobs and false benefit claims here not the legit cases).
But in my situation them people taking money away from me are better off than the person who is paying for them (me).
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Post by kakema on Nov 20, 2011 18:54:15 GMT
By your analysis, everyone should just stop working and kick back. Good luck with that.
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Post by adamv on Nov 20, 2011 18:58:12 GMT
Yes, but only if they are better off not working and would get more. Maybe then the government would also get off there ass and reward the people who work.
If you work, or have joint income that is equal to more than you would get on benefits then of-course you should not do this. Your end up getting less ofc if your health is suffering though i would advise it anyway health comes first.
I do understand your frustration, its more people taking money from your pocket in tax's that dont need it. I get that I totally get that. But look outside the box at those people doing it like myself. I dont want to do this I would much rather work and put myself through stress to get more money than if I didn't work. But that cannot happen with this benefit system in place.
My only choice is to work less and get more money or not work and get more money.
I cannot be better off working, and also cannot be better off working more hours in this job that I am doing. Maybe if I got another job that paid more fine.. But you try getting a job in a town like this i must send at least 10 applications a week to places not even close to home. I have to list Dyslexia, ADHD, Depression etc etc on my applications and i go to bits at interviews. I would not even employ myself i would go take someone more normal with less issues and more experience to be honest. My chances of getting a job above minimum wage or above what benefits pay currently is NIL.
We are all human, we all choose to adapt to better ourself or get the advantage. If I did nothing I would not be adapting at all I would be just at a stand still or going backwards.
I do fully understand this is a two sided argument with no middle ground this is why I said in my OP it is a touchy subject. I knew full well people would not agree with things I am saying and that some people would and was expecting to get flamed at.
If you work and pay tax's and are better off then ofc your going to be pissed off at this whole situation.
If you work and get paid less and are in a similar situation then your going to sympathise and likely agree with allot I am saying even if it is morally wrong.
In reality no one here is at fault not even myself. Everyone is human and everyone wants a better life for themselves. It's no single person at fault its just the benefits system that pays out to handsomely to those who don't work and it doesn't reward the people who do work (be it only if they only work for minim wage low hours)
Again I understand you, and I understand the moral issues surrounding all of this. But mortals no longer concern me here and the issues you have with it I do not as im in the thick of it and the one who is worst off. If my job paid me enough money to be better off than if I was on benefits we would not be having this discussion in this topic and i would have no issue with the stress..
All I want is a better quality of life for me and my child to be. Is that so wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 19:24:22 GMT
I'm sorry but i just cannot see where you are coming from Adam. I work 4 days a week one week and then 6 days a week the next. I work from 7am-2pm those days except one day which i work from 7am-2 and then 4pm to 8:30 because that's the longest i can go with my meds not wearing off. I have had heaps of work taken off of me and I do not get paid a wage for the hours i'm out of the house. I get paid for the time i'm actually working with someone. I usually bring about 700-900 a month after tax. I'm seriously struggling too, but to help I'm speaking to my GP, psychiatrist, Right Steps for CBT, a gynecologist, and occ health to sort out my hours or if I can cope with the job at all. But not at any point did i consider taking money from people whom seriously need it far more than I do. Even after i was told I couldn't have a child on my medication and i couldn't work on my medication... generally one needs to work to be able to afford a child so i have not had a child so i can save up more while i work. This may possibly put me in a position with my PCOS the way it is that I may never have a child. Which basically fucks me even more by not only making me feel useless as a woman and broken but also kicking me when I'm down about not being able to do my job... still not looked at benefits.
you can do what you like. but just know it's not right what you have described in this thread and I will NEVER get it or agree with you. sorry. I hope you get some real help and stop making excuses and looking for hand outs. There are other options, the youths of today just have absolutely no concept of work ethic and don't appreciate how good they actually have it. We live in a seriously wasteful society and I'm reminded of it every day with my clients pinching, saving and salvaging what they can of what they have from the pennies they are given.
I have ADHD and I can cook, and i do occationally over salt or burn things, but I learn from it and i put in place things to keep it from happening again, even if it's calling a friend to remind me to take it out or setting 3 timers before I put it in the oven. OR UNPLUGGING MY TV OR COMPUTER AND SITTING AND WATCHING IT!!! god forbid...
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Post by kakema on Nov 20, 2011 19:46:31 GMT
Just to be clear, adamv; I have no issue with people claiming benefits to which they are entitled; and I wish the minimum wage was set high enough to give people a living income, just like I wish benefits were enough to provide those in need with something close to a decent quality of life. Dignity for all. That's what I want.
So If you're entitled to ESA, claim it, and I hope the relief from the pressures of work helps you and your family.
But that's not my issue with your comments, and no amount of backtracking and trying to make yourself sound reasonable now with 'I just worded it wrong' is going to get you off the hook for your earlier rubbish. We've seen your true colours.
My real concern now is, how would any of us be able to re-word 'milk every penny'; or 'plenty of people skank DLA...with mental disabilities even more so'; or 'you could get away with saying you need someone with you to stop yourself doing stupid crap'; and so on...in a way that wouldn't give some moron Hate Mail journo who wanders in plenty of easy meat? That's all we need - quotes taken from this forum and published in an exposé about idle benefit spongers giving each other tips on how to free-ride the system by claiming 'mental health disabilities'.
Jeeeeez, pd, please skip the yellow cards and just wipe this thread? It's not saying anything useful.
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Post by adamv on Nov 20, 2011 19:50:19 GMT
Kameel I agree with what your saying as do I agree with the points other people have said here. I do accept that its wrong. and also like I said in above post i know some people will never agree with that I am saying it is a very touchy subject. (and lets just leave that one at that because we will never all agree and could argue for hours)
But all I want is a better quality if life and by working I will not get that. That is unfortunately the situation and that is out of my control its a shit benefit system that's at fault. If I was better off working I would have no issues as my quality of life would likely not improve much by not working.
As it stands at the moment by not working i would get more money and I would be less stressed so my quality if life would most defiantly improve. (Hopefully you can agree with me on this, if you ignore the fact by not working I cam nicking your tax money)
This really is not something I want to do. I have worked even when in school doing paper rounds I have never really been out of a job and I would rather work and earn money than sit at home I cannot stress this enough.
I hope sometime in the future people who work get Top-ups and can get slightly more than if they didn't work, just to make working actually worth while. No one should get less for working than someone who does not.
As for nicking benefits people need, I would not be doing this. My examples were not aimed at people wrongfully claiming benefits they are not entitled to. They were rather aimed to show people what they "COULD" be entitled to.
Also as for me claiming these benefits, sure I am going to try (now hear me out this is another touchy subject you and others probably wont agree on).
I am only going to "try" and claim these I will not "lie" and I will not "cheat" my way into any of these. This was never my intent I could very easily play on a back injury and claim DLA if i wanted but I wont.
I would still be better off just quitting my job going on job seekers allowance looking for a job that paid more (everyone gets this and actually the job centre has said to me believe it or not there words were "you would be better off not working and going on job seekers until I find a more suitable job that paid more" or something like this.)
Anyway about the benefits I would try and claim they would be ESA only. Why would I claim this? Simple because I can, and because I feel I would never find a suitable job that paid more than benefits do currently. This is not to say that I would get ESA. I would still have to undergo the ESA assessment and if I pass this assessment and I am rewarded the ESA then I am entitled to it and have done no wrong I am just claiming for something I could be entitled to. Please remember my issues are not just ADHD there are some i have not disclosed on this forum.
If I however fail my claim for ESA even after appeal, then I would be on job seekers allowance anyway and searching for a more suitable job that paid more than if I didn't work (as to what the job centre has advised me)
There is no point in working in a job that gives you less than you could get if you dont work. It sounds stupid I know trust me I cant believe this myself.
If someone wants to offer me a job for 30hs a week paying over £8p/h (what's needed to get more than if you were on benefits) go ahead. Failing that someone change the benefit system or minimum wage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 19:56:15 GMT
Just to be clear, adamv; I have no issue with people claiming benefits to which they are entitled; and I wish the minimum wage was set high enough to give people a living income, just like I wish benefits were enough to provide those in need with something close to a decent quality of life. Dignity for all. That's what I want. So If you're entitled to ESA, claim it, and I hope the relief from the pressures of work helps you and your family. But that's not my issue with your comments, and no amount of backtracking and trying to make yourself sound reasonable now with 'I just worded it wrong' is going to get you off the hook for your earlier rubbish. We've seen your true colours. My real concern now is, how would any of us be able to re-word 'milk every penny'; or 'plenty of people skank DLA...with mental disabilities even more so'; or 'you could get away with saying you need someone with you to stop yourself doing stupid crap'; and so on...in a way that wouldn't give some moron Hate Mail journo who wanders in plenty of easy meat? That's all we need - quotes taken from this forum and published in an exposé about idle benefit spongers giving each other tips on how to free-ride the system by claiming 'mental health disabilities'. Jeeeeez, pd, please skip the yellow cards and just wipe this thread? It's not saying anything useful. Seconded. --->
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Post by adamv on Nov 20, 2011 20:02:21 GMT
My real concern now is, how would any of us be able to re-word 'milk every penny'; or 'plenty of people skank DLA...with mental disabilities even more so'; or 'you could get away with saying you need someone with you to stop yourself doing stupid crap'; and so on...in a way that wouldn't give some moron Hate Mail journo who wanders in plenty of easy meat? That's all we need - quotes taken from this forum and published in an exposé about idle benefit spongers giving each other tips on how to free-ride the system by claiming 'mental health disabilities'. Jeeeeez, pd, please skip the yellow cards and just wipe this thread? It's not saying anything useful. Meh was just pissed off after finding all this information out late at night (look at time of post) and by milk every penny you can its my way of saying "try claim every penny you can" why? because you should, if your entitled to it why not try. Even if you try and fail you still tried. The benefit site even encourages you to apply even if you think your not entitled to it!. (I will try and find the paragraph that says this on the .gov site tonight.) oh also this this bit as I feel I need to speak up about it and try justify it "'you could get away with saying you need someone with you to stop yourself doing stupid crap'" some people with ADHD really do need someone with them, maybe not just because of ADHD but other problems they have also ASD, Depression etc etc. When left alone i normally do stupid crap. Ill give you one example, i thought it would be a good idea to cut my tongue in half with a kitchen knife (and I actually did do this, when left alone) sometimes i do feel very unstable and if someone was with me it would be a benefit. I also do things like leave the gas/oven on. Again that was worded badly and I apologise. You know many parents claim to be care givers to there kids with ADHD and say they cannot be left alone in fear they will do something stupid, its a valid argument and the DLA do take note of this. Oh and trust me if I wanted to give real tips on how to get DLA/ESA that your not entitled to I could, it would be so easy to falsely claim. I am not all about this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 20:02:40 GMT
Kameel I agree with what your saying as do I agree with the points other people have said here. I do accept that its wrong. out of control Hopefully you can agree with me on this, the fact by not working I am nicking your tax money) No one should get less for working than someone who does not. As for nicking benefits people need, I would be doing this. Why would I claim this? Simple because I can, and because I feel I would never find a suitable job that paid more than benefits do currently. fail There is no point. It sounds stupid I know trust me FIXED... the massive gap was the best part. TEH ENDs
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Post by adamv on Nov 20, 2011 22:28:54 GMT
Well cheers for taking the piss out of me guys, just goes to show the kind of people you are. I was only ever trying to offer help, if you didn't like the topic you could have just stayed out of it. Then again you guys have ADHD also so I guess your impulsive nature would have not allowed this, I would have probably done the same. Anything I say from here on out will just be flamed by people who cannot understand my situation and the situation of people like myself, and everything I say will just feed the trolling. Anyway I am going to take the advice of the government and claim for everything I can. I will also be take the advice of the CAB, Job Centre and my Doctor to leave work or cut my hours down to get benefits for my health and to be better off. Yes this means I will be taking your money (if that's how you want to look at it, but remember I have paid tax's for years also.) but not because I want to, but because I have little choice. Even if I don't get ESA, working under 16hs a week means I will still get help with council tax, rent and still get job seekers allowance until I find a job that pays better than the current one or is more suited to me needs (and this is unlikely, so I will likely be on benefits until a suitable job comes up or until the government get there ass in gear and award people who work for a low wage.) I will only be getting ESA if I am not seeking work, and I will only not seek work if this is what my Doctor tells me (and by telling me to stop working, I guess he is not to happy with me working!) If the Doctors says i am fine to work, then its off the ESA and onto Job seekers allowance. So I am going to say sorry again for pissing people off, but like it or not my opinion is as valid as yours but I do understand your views even if you don't understand mine (and honestly you don't, because you don't know me) , I and doing nothing wrong and I will only be following advice from professionals. Some of the advice i have been given has been passed on in this topic. The use of the information is not to commit benefit fraud but only to get the most you can. You know its not illegal to finish a job and go on job-seekers allowance because your job isn't paying the bills. The job centre should advice you before taking a job if your be better off on benefits or not, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Leaving your job to find another job that pays better is valid. Oh and the job centre do have people who will work out for you if your better off on benefits or taking the job! (I know sounds crazy) I will not skank the system, I will only ever speak the truth when asking/applying for benefits, if i get them or not is up to the assessor. if the assessor agree's i should be on benefits then well i get them because i am entitled to them not because I want to skank the system because that's not my aim. Oh and for people who come here to look for help and not flame me checkout this site below. www.direct.gov.uk/en/YoungPeople/Money/FinancialHelpForYoungPeople/DG_10027506 give them a ring if your under 25 and need help your likely get told the same thing as I did about ESA,JSA and working under 16hs to help your health. Good luck and I wish you all the best. I would also ignore the clueless people above who clearly have no idea of the circumstances you are experiencing. Remember ADHD is a Disability and that means you are less able than someone else, even if you don't want to admit it. I am not ashamed to say that I am Disabled. But yeah seriously no need to go taking the piss / insulting / flaming me that's just uncalled for and just unpleasant behaviour.
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Post by boo on Nov 20, 2011 23:25:36 GMT
UPDATE:Looks like its possible to claim DLA. Take a read of this: www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Disabledpeople/DG_10011816Care part of DLA: " - need help with things such as washing, dressing, eating, getting to and using the toilet, or communicating your needs
- need supervision to avoid you putting yourself or others in substantial danger
- need someone with you when you are on dialysis
- be unable to prepare a cooked main meal for yourself (if you have the ingredients), if you are aged 16 or over
" Well #1 You could say Communicating, we can have issues. #2 You could say yes (depending on your tolerance to not kick off but I guess you could play on it) #3 Well every-time I go shopping I always end up buying crap I dont need, or forgetting the most important things, i.e paying the bills, getting milk/bread. I normally end up relying on others heavily to deal with finical stuff, like i give my girlfriend my credit card and I never use it because if I did have it I would spend all the cash on it within 1h being impulsive is a bitch. #4 Well I can cook a meal, but it will be burnt! Normally I end up eating microwave meals. By a cooked meal they really mean a cooked meal, not just something you chuck in the microwave or boil in a bag or pizza out of a box. And for DLA for yourself.. well read this. " Lowest rate If you need help for some of the day or you are unable to prepare a cooked main meal." I would say nearly all of us would be able to go for that one. Possibly if you look at this one "Highest rate If you need help or supervision frequently throughout the day and during the night.
You can get Disability Living Allowance for your care needs even if no one is actually giving you the care you need, even if you live alone."You could get away with saying you need someone with you, to stop you doing stupid crap and to help you cook and things if you get up during the night. Now look at the mobility.. "you are severely mentally impaired with severe behavioural problems and qualify for the highest rate of care component"Only if you can blag the higher rate above then you could go for this one for sure! Conclusion: If you word your application correctly you can probably get DLA (care) for someone who is living with you. You can most likely get the lower rate at least for yourself. Even this would work out about £40 - £80 a month and a massive help if on a low income. adam i will explain why this post enraged me personally. My dad is cared for by my mum 24/7. she is not even entitled to carers allowance as she is over 65. #1 You could say Communicating, we can have issues. my dad uses a phrase card as we can no longer understand his speech in the vast majority of occasions, although he still tries. He has issues communicating #2 You could say yes (depending on your tolerance to not kick off but I guess you could play on it) do i need to explain? #4 Well I can cook a meal, but it will be burnt! Normally I end up eating microwave meals. By a cooked meal they really mean a cooked meal, not just something you chuck in the microwave or boil in a bag or pizza out of a box. no! by a cooked meal they mean a hot cooked meal. how many people in modern society dont chuck stuff in the microwave? they wont give out DLA just because you're not jamie oliver! actually, i cant even be bothered to carry on. basically all of what i have quoted you directly in the first part of my reply, is what riled me. using words like blag and phrases like you could get away with and play on itthese are quotes taken directly from your post, and no matter how you tart it up, it is exactly the attitude of "why should i bother working if i can get it for free", that puts a strain on our entire benefits structure in this country, from the actual money required for the benefits to the countless amounts of people employed to sift through the thousands of claims made to milk the system. is this really what you want to teach your child? milk it? adam tbh, all i can say to you is be careful what you wish for
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Post by adamv on Nov 20, 2011 23:41:28 GMT
I am careful and i am doing what is advised. Sorry to hear about your parents I know how much of a struggle it is to look after someone, I look after 46 people with mental health issues 3x a week for 12hs.
Btw picking up on the point of a cooked meal a microwave meal does not count as does boil in a bag or pizza. A cooked meal is something you have to actually make and cook. This for me is not possible without someone watching me. Even something like a pizza or a boil in the bag could be deadly for me i often forget its cooking and allot more than just burning my food can occur. (i have actually managed to start 2 small fires!) You need to think i will soon have a child around is leaving someone like me alone in a kitchen with a child a wise idea after the whole fire history incidence?
Now I know my situation is not the same as the one you have, its totally different. But I still have mental health issues and I still have a disability (several in fact including physical ones that i have not mentioned on this forum at all and that does include being unable to walk distances i may end up in a wheel chair in my 30's so something to look forward to in 5 years.) these limit me more so than someone who didn't have the issues i have. Just because my issues are not the same as your fathers/mothers does not mean i should not apply. I am fully within my rights to apply for benefits or leave my job to make myself more financially stable.
Did you try and appeal by the way, it sounds like you have a good case?
oh and the only thing i wish for is to be able to support my family and have a better quality of life. I wish i didn't have these disability's, i wish i could go to work more, i wish my pay was higher so i got more than if i didn't work. I wish i didn't have this stress or this physical disability.
Now i have a choice to grant myself 1 wish here. That wish could allow me to work less, look after my child (because i cant afford for a care worker) it would mean i would get more money and have a better quality of life, but i will still be stuck with my disability's If I do successfully claim rest assured i will let you guys know, even if i get turned down I will let you guys know. Its well worth putting in a claim the money is there for people like myself (even if you think for some reason because i should not get it because i am young and can sort of work even if it is against doctors orders )
The only person who as the right to tell me that i am or am not entitled to any benefit is the person who is assessing me. Not you, not me.
p.s. i am in the process of telling my boss about my ADHD and have a meeting on tues 22ed. (see other post on forums for details of this) I am going to bring up about the stress, high blood pressure, constant nose bleeds, fatigue, impulsiveness, hyperactivity at work and what the doctor has said.
This might mean i loose my job or get forced out of it for a while anyway. (i am just being honest to the boss) The only reason i can cope with this job now is because its night work and 80% of the night i am sitting down on my notebook browsing forums like this one, in fact that's what i am doing now.
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Post by boo on Nov 21, 2011 0:03:32 GMT
sorry adam but you are still missing the point!
as i said in my last post its the blag, skank, milk it, get away with.....that has riled me personally.
you seem to be swinging from being stressed out with the amount of hours/work you have to do, to knowing that its just you will be better off on benefits, to complete and utter incompetence and inability to be left on you own whatsoever
how do you manage to care for the people you are employed to care for, and for that matter, how do you expect to care for a child?
and tbh, i think i have got to the end now, i dont really want to say anything more except to say, if you are entitled to it, i wish you all the luck in the world
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Post by boo on Nov 21, 2011 0:08:59 GMT
I am careful and i am doing what is advised. Sorry to hear about your parents I know how much of a struggle it is to look after someone, I look after 46 people with mental health issues 3x a week for 12hs. The only reason i can cope with this job now is because its night work and 80% of the night i am sitting down on my notebook browsing forums like this one, in fact that's what i am doing now.
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Post by adamv on Nov 21, 2011 0:12:48 GMT
I already said sorry for those comments they were silly of me i was tired, pissed off, it was late at night. (and i know that does not justify what i said.) As for how i manage to care for others in my job, its tuff, but i work with 2 other people and to be honest im more of a support for them. My job is mostly to just follow them about and help get people changed. The rest of the work/night is sitting down on my notebook. (this is not to say i have it easy, these people do have dementia / bipolar and other such issues and are near end of life and i often get hit, spat, pissed on, shit on, called names, abused by the service users I ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN THEY PASS AWAY ON SHIFT, OFTEN I AM LEFT TO DRESS/WASH THE BODY'S OFF READY FOR THE MORGUE OR FOR FAMILY TO COME SEE THEM!). But i aways have people with me to stop be flipping i am very grateful for this. I feel no one could do this job on there own.) Further details of my shift: 8:00 START WORK 8:15 GIVE OUT TEA AND COFFEE 9:00 PUT PEOPLE INTO BED 11:00 SIT DOWN ON LAPTOP 2:00AM CHECK IF PEOPLE ARE ALIVE/DRY/CLEAN 3:00 SIT BACK DOWN ON LAPTOP 6:00 CHECK IF PEOPLE ARE ALIVE/DRY/CLEAN 7:00 GET READY TO GO HOME 8:00 GO HOME. I do get some shifts that are mentally demanding more than physically. Normally these involve service users ringing a buzzer all night oftern every 15mins to ask if its morning or just for no reasons at all other than they wondered what it did. or people running down the corridors with no clothes on or chucking shit / eating shit all night. (and by shit yes i mean shit) So yes i do get put through hell at work its not an easy ride, i even have to be there when people pass away, i have often sat by a service user to offer support as they have past away so i have dealt with people i care about and care for dying in my hands, and i have also had to deal with family members of the diseased service user crying and other such things. My job is mentally demanding not physically like 99.9% of jobs. Hopefully from the above info you can see my reasons for getting stressed out about going to work or being unable to work more than i do? In care they don't actually recommend you work more than 38hs (even if I worked 38h's i would still get less than i would if i didn't work) This is most likely the reason i have never seen an English person other than myself work full-time in a care home. I know a few English part time workers or females who have husbands who also work in well paid jobs however. (i am not trying to be racist here because well i am most defiantly not just take my word for it. But just the majority of people in care seam to be Indian/African decent and have no choice but to take what work they are given because they cant claim benefits and will be sent home if they dont work. Those are actually the words of the foreign staff i work with btw also not my own.) I think actually it might be unfair that i say all care, but mental health care such as end of life / dementia (the kind of care know one wants to-do) There are likely some exceptions like a few care homes might actually pay well and people could be better off, the home i am in is not one of those though. Come to think of it i dont think i have ever even seen an English person apply for a job at the home I work in or the local McDonalds or KFC wonder why.. benefits better than the job perhaps or because they would get less if they worked? As for the whole baby thing well the miss was on the pill and it failed hence pregnancy for religious reasons we wont abort. I don't expect to be able to look after the child on my own, i have support from family, friends and my girlfriend. I think i will leave that answer there. As for looking after myself, I cannot do that very well (even if i feel like i can sometimes) currently my nan pays my bills for me, the money i earn goes into her account so she can sort my finances out even my utility bills go to her home. Basicly all that happens every month when i get paid is my nan gives me any spare money left over for food after bills are paid. (yes that sounds pathetic, but i tried to do this all by myself once and ended up getting the bailiffs around after putting off paying the rent for 6 weeks) I really am that incompetent (and thats not something i like to admit to myself, but its the truth). thanks for wishing me luck anyway, sorry to have pissed you or anyone else off and by my shitty wording / rage of impulsiveness or spurt of forum hyperactivity lol i am aware sometimes i word things wrong, it has often got me into trouble in the past, serious trouble in fact so i hope you can understand my mistakes within this topic. It might sound alien to some of you guys but i often say stuff without thinking or just spurt out what's in my head at the time i think allot of that has gone on in this forum topic (actually since going on this medication i think my outbursts have got worse, im am in the process of coming off ssri's and increasing/going on MPH i am on 25mg at the moment and will be on 30mg tomorrow 3x a day ofc so i guess it should be expected that i am a little rattly.) Hopefully i am entitled to ESA/DLA or whatever but if not its no big deal i can at least sleep knowing i tried, If it turns out i am then my QOL will be far grater than it is now. I do still find it hard to believe the government are willing to pay someone more who does not work, but that's just how it is and i cannot change this however stupid the system is. My opinion on this is likely not to change ever its wrong of the government to allow this. Hopefully in the near future working will mean your better off, because i do want to set an example for my child and work even if this does mean i go through hell, but at the moment if i work i loose out due to an unfair benefit system that's just "to good" on people who don't work so working in a job that pays like mine is not a viable choice at least not for me as i am suffering for less money. I would not expect anyone to want to carry on working in a job that pays less than what they would get if they didn't work, I would also hate to see anyone else working in a job that's causing them harm to there health for less than if they didn't work, I your working in a job like mine and are in a situation like myself your only harming your health for less money/rewards than you would get if you didn't work. I am not saying quit your job, dont work every again and claim money.. No this is wrong. very wrong. What i am saying is if your better off not working in that job then leave and go on benefits until you find a job that actually pays the bills. Honestly if I was to stay in this job for another few years i would be in serious debt and my mental health issues would only get worse this is not the sort of thing i want to put my child, family and myself through when there is a simple solution of leaving work and looking for another job. (but going on benefits while looking such as JSA, unless ofc your told by ESA/DLA/Doctor your not to work until your health is better because clearly if they say don't work, then you should not as they would not say this without reason/concern.) You may or may not also want to take a look at the following from the prime-minister even admitting some people are better off on benefits they gave me a laugh and a cry anyway: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/06/universal-credit-benefits-childcare Here is another one but from 2008 admitting it also www.express.co.uk/posts/view/63222You have the other end of the scale and some might enjoy to see this (i really enjoyed the read) www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/01/jobcentres-tricking-people-benefit-sanctionsTo be honest whatever i do i think i would loose out i am stuck in a horrific trap that i have no real way to get out of.
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Post by adamv on Nov 21, 2011 3:54:08 GMT
Slight update, kameel i need to thank you for this one actually.. Was doing some digging around after you mentioned CTB (like normal. its late nothing else to-do). It turns out according to www.turn2us.org.uk/benefits_search.aspx that i could get help with CTB (about £50 knocked off a month) I would also be able to get Working tax credit of about £50 a week and Child Tax credit of £20 a week when my child is born. This would/could mean i would be better off working than going on JSA or ESA. If i was to get the above it would mean i would still be going against my Doctor/psychologist and working when they want me to stop. At the end of tut day (Jeremy kyle quote but in a northern accent) I don't care to much about my own mental/physical health if my child and girlfriend benefits from me earning by working. If i cannot get the above then possibly JSA or ESA is the correct choice for me as i would benefit in many ways by being on them. I hope you guys can understand that, and the situation. p.s if the post continues to be flame bate i will remove, or if requested i will also remove. (if forum permissions allow me to remove posts that is) Oh and go checkout www.turn2us.org.uk/benefits_search.aspx if your on a low income!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 9:03:11 GMT
they are shaking the system up majorly ive been signed off for nearly 3 years (neuro problems along with the ADHD) and while i was house bound ESA were hassling me to go to "back to work interviews" i wasnt even allowed to go to loo without telling someone!!!! so as you can imagine it wasnt easy there was no way i could work they are trying to get eveeryone off benifits xx
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 14:51:40 GMT
adam i will explain why this post enraged me personally. My dad is cared for by my mum 24/7. she is not even entitled to carers allowance as she is over 65. #1 You could say Communicating, we can have issues. my dad uses a phrase card as we can no longer understand his speech in the vast majority of occasions, although he still tries. He has issues communicating I'll add to this from my experience of being one of the carers that provides the care you will be applying for... Communicating as she said done by notes, cards, sign language or just grunting and pointing in some cases. Some are unable to communicate at all and we have to make choices for them based on previous knowledge of what they like or don't like. I'll bite. Literally. Generally those that cause harm to others or themselves have to have TWO carers come into their homes 3-4times a day to check on them and make sure they are safe. They must have two carers so there is a witness in case of an incident. Be it, threatening, physical, verbal, fire, or medical abuse. A lot have their ovens, stoves, toasters, knives and scissors removed from their home so they are not at risk to themselves or anyone else. They usually have a microwave, but some aren't even allowed that because they have set it on fire. Once i had a man put his kettle on his hob to make tea... it was an electric kettle. he then had to be pulled out of his house while it was on fire...others are unable to operate the microwave or any other appliance because they are fire risks of putting metal, or objects that may not be suitable. All meals except some with large families are microwave meals or some are grilled frozen meals. The council only allow 30-45mins calls usually for meal times and with prep, serving and cleaning there is no time for 'homemade' cooked meals. only microwave ones. I think i can count on one hand how many families i have cooked proper meals for(usually icelands meals in the oven or microwave in bulk with some boiled frozen veg or boiled potatoes. Both were very large +3 children families and one was private care not paid by council benefits. Social care assistance is bare minimum in most cases and really should only be for those that are seriously ill and disabled on their own or with no family help. If they have family carers the family carers should be offered respite and help. but this is my opinion.
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Post by adamv on Nov 21, 2011 16:30:09 GMT
owch, i have a friend who does home care (im guessing that's what your talking about?) i have helped before (volunteer work) It can defiantly be tuff on that time scale we had about 1h and that was hard! The people I visited on home care were actually fine mentally but has physical defects such as unable to get out of a chair.
I dont think any job in care is particularly an an easy one.
Boo i take it your Dad is getting DLA or not because he is also over 65? If not there are plenty of charity organisations that will help, and you can get a grant for home care. (something similar to what kameel said above) It's something that will help and take off the edge.
You can also access services such as a respite facility or a care home (/shudder) where they will be able to put your dad for 1-2 weeks if your mum ever needs a break. Im not saying she will need one i dont know your mum be but just that the option is there if she wanted to take it.
Allot of people think care homes are the place people go to die or be sad. Having worked in them i can assure you this is not the case. A care home can provide a place for elder to meet/chat with each other and can provide a grate sense of community and promotes independence. That is if you find a good care home, shop around.
You should also be entitled to grants to help you with things, a free bus pass, not sure if they still do free TV licence, eye tests, medical prescriptions paid for and if your mum/dad dont work council tax/rent paid for and pension credit. (it sounds allot but i know its not, I had to look after my granddad for years he only got like £60 a week to pay for water, gas, electric and food what a joke!)
Hope that little bit of info helped if you were unaware of any of it that is. Best to speak to CAB or a disability officer they could advice you further.
All the best anyway.
vixter: they really hassle you that much? My friend just has to go down once a week with some form they give him that he puts down jobs he applied for, they also allow you to go to practice interviews and like work centres to help better yourself/give you skills. I think they even make you volunteer after so long now.
This is the reason i wanted ESA instead of JSA btw, was i didn't want to be getting the hassle when i have a child to look after and with my mental health still in tatters (i know all about the 1 week courses they send you on that have zero point/relevance and just wastes the little money you get on travel). But you know if they are trying to help and you feel up to it or are able, then that's grate its a good thing they are only trying to help.
I would ask at the job centre to speak to a disability adviser maybe you could be eligible for ESA instead of JSA and they will get off your back until your well enough to work?
good luck anyway, hope you get help boo.
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Post by twix on Nov 21, 2011 19:21:11 GMT
Adam if you need to then apply for it. It's not like you've been on the dole all your life and never worked and paid taxes.
If you want help with the forms send me a pm and I will chat to you about it.
Anybody wants to get cross with me then go for it. Fact is I applied for DLA in the past and got it. Nothing on my form was anything but true. Currently its stopped because I'm crap at getting myself organised. Currently I'm on ESA cause I'm not working.
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Post by adamv on Nov 21, 2011 19:36:44 GMT
To be honist i want to work Twix even if its bad for my health, I really do want to set an example to my child and i mean that. But i dont want to be worse off by doing it.
If these Council tax benefit, Child tax credit, working tax credit and free milk/bread tokens (not sure of name) work out then that's grate, it will improve my life greatly and I will force myself to work to provide the best i can for my family.
But yeah, not gonna go to work if i am going to end up worse of financially and health wise because i feel that would just be a dumb thing to-do.
I know when i am in late 30's i wont be able to work at all (well could possibly do a desk job if i could tolerate sitting at a desk that is), i know i have over a 50% chance I will be in a wheel chair. But until then i do intend to work if that will make me the most financially stable and give my family the most support.
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Post by boo on Nov 21, 2011 20:12:53 GMT
Adam if you need to then apply for it. It's not like you've been on the dole all your life and never worked and paid taxes. If you want help with the forms send me a pm and I will chat to you about it. Anybody wants to get cross with me then go for it. Fact is I applied for DLA in the past and got it. Nothing on my form was anything but true. Currently its stopped because I'm crap at getting myself organised. Currently I'm on ESA cause I'm not working. twix. sorry, think you may have skim read some of this thread.... or not as the case may be i dont think any one of the members that has posted a negative response (well, speaking for myself at least ) is actually against adam (or anyone else for that matter) getting a better deal for themselves or their family..... the isssue is about dodging/skanking/milking the system because you can!!!!!!!!!?? and about posting "how to go about it" here
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 20:51:19 GMT
Adam if you need to then apply for it. It's not like you've been on the dole all your life and never worked and paid taxes. If you want help with the forms send me a pm and I will chat to you about it. Anybody wants to get cross with me then go for it. Fact is I applied for DLA in the past and got it. Nothing on my form was anything but true. Currently its stopped because I'm crap at getting myself organised. Currently I'm on ESA cause I'm not working. twix. sorry, think you may have skim read some of this thread.... or not as the case may be i dont think any one of the members that has posted a negative response (well, speaking for myself at least ) is actually against adam (or anyone else for that matter) getting a better deal for themselves or their family..... the isssue is about dodging/skanking/milking the system because you can!!!!!!!!!?? and about posting "how to go about it" here agreed.
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Post by kakema on Nov 21, 2011 21:08:52 GMT
Adam if you need to then apply for it. It's not like you've been on the dole all your life and never worked and paid taxes. If you want help with the forms send me a pm and I will chat to you about it. Anybody wants to get cross with me then go for it. Fact is I applied for DLA in the past and got it. Nothing on my form was anything but true. Currently its stopped because I'm crap at getting myself organised. Currently I'm on ESA cause I'm not working. Why would anyone be cross with you, Twix?
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Post by twix on Nov 21, 2011 23:38:11 GMT
Must have misunderstood.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 0:14:29 GMT
woooah am just catching up with all this. Am not going to enter into the discussion as it's mostly done and my thoughts have already been articulated by some of the people who objected and for similar reasons. BUT I've got to say, even if I was tempted to 'blag it' I would never get through all the forms to claim for 'everything I can'. Just IMAGINE all those FUCKING FORMS???!!! As far as ADHD is concerned, if you can't cook a simple meal you're sure as hell not going to get through the forms. THINK OF THE FORMS! WON"T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE FORMS
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 15:31:49 GMT
woooah am just catching up with all this. Am not going to enter into the discussion as it's mostly done and my thoughts have already been articulated by some of the people who objected and for similar reasons. BUT I've got to say, even if I was tempted to 'blag it' I would never get through all the forms to claim for 'everything I can'. Just IMAGINE all those FUCKING FORMS???!!! As far as ADHD is concerned, if you can't cook a simple meal you're sure as hell not going to get through the forms. THINK OF THE FORMS! WON"T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE FORMS is it weird that i have a secret online crush on your personality?
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Post by adamv on Nov 22, 2011 18:12:30 GMT
ayyyyyyupppp what's going on here... little bit of forum love hey
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