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Post by yasmin on Jun 21, 2012 0:01:28 GMT
Hi everyone Has anyone ever been to those talks. Apparently the are held regularly in London. There is one tomorrow titled "The Paradox of ADHD" with Dr Utpaul Bose. I'm thinking of going but its £25 a ticket, I don't want to waste money if its not good. Has anyone been to those talks? www.simplywellbeing.com/adhd-expert-talks
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Post by cleverliteral on Jun 21, 2012 2:04:32 GMT
There's no paradox in ADHD. Enough for me to read the title. I have spoken to quite a few ADDers and nothing about them is paradoxical. All of them suffer, only degree of the suffering varies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 9:25:46 GMT
I couldn't predict if it's going to be good or whether you'll get £25s worth of value from it.
There's nothing sinister going on - nothing is free (think how much tax you pay to make the NHS look free). I don't know how much it costs to put these things on and the organiser won't want to make a loss but £25 is £25 and might be a lot (it is for me).
I fancy a couple of them (those with demonstrations) and would go to all of them - but I'm a terrific ADHD junkie - and if I wasn't living out in the sticks.
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Post by yasmin on Jun 21, 2012 10:49:48 GMT
its not just about the money. i wanted to know if anyone went to their talks and found it informative. I also to want to go to meet others people with Add. The next talk sounds.more interesting. I think i go to that one. im so indecisive.
Using my phone to write this. hope it makes sense
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 12:12:04 GMT
A friend emailed and asked same thing recently, my response was: I think Simply wellbeing operates on a purely commercial level not as community interest company or as a charity. They have operated a support group for a few years that charges entrance fee that people have said was an advertisement for coaching. It is great that they are organising experts to do a discussion and this could well be something that would be worth going to. However I would like to find out more about it first before seeing if it is worth going to.
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Post by yasmin on Jun 21, 2012 13:12:48 GMT
i noticed that as well. Eve rything about their website comes back to their coaching. the talks are once month. SO i might go today. i thought it was a weekly talks. So its not too bad. I have recently been dignosed with ADHD, so I really want go to any events about it. I dont know how else to.find out about.them. I thought people here might know about them.
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Post by cleverliteral on Jun 21, 2012 16:42:34 GMT
Yep. I wrote about it in my blog, just in the recent two posts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 18:35:39 GMT
If you just want to meet ADHDers there is the central London meet on the first Tuesday of the month organised by Atticus, the owner of this site (all hail Atticus ) sites.google.com/site/joyfivolous/homeIt's informal and takes place in a coffee house (and, usually, later a pub - but that's unofficial) and there's nothing to get in the way of chatting. Recommended.
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Post by where are the risk takers on Jun 21, 2012 23:48:09 GMT
Well, I have just come back from hearing Dr Bose and hey what an amazing guy! After 3 hours sleep last night (don't ask), went to his lecture and perked up with his animated talk.
The Dr is a fount of knowledge on the subject but what was striking was all the different ancedotes he gave. I've been to a few talks/ read lots of stuff from the internet etc but this was quite different. A refreshing change from the usual patter, articles etc..1st hand testimonies from his practice, at the front line seeing ADHD present itself - being ADHD himself apparently. So lively and charasmatic. You missed something there!
So many paradoxical aspects to ADHD which I've been pondering about in my own case - people who cannot cope with stress/ risk (like a few on this forum who don't want to take the chance LOL) vs the more common default position of ADHD of being risk taking; miserly people vs those reckless with money; being untidy vs being OCD obsessively tidy. It's all part of the same paradigm that is ADHD whereby folks get their dopamine fix..
What was so good about tonight's talk was the memorable first hand examples he gave. I'd been thinking to myself - how can I be obsessive about some things (but dont have OCD or do I??) and totally lacking in focus and detail over other things...
Paid £20 in advance for tonight. Where else is stuff going on? It can only be a good thing for the ADHD community. Been on the Maudsley waiting list for almost a year for psycho-education and when it comes, my PCT will be paying a lot more than £20 for me to attend a session, rest assured.. I highly commend Simply Wellbeing for this initiative.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 2:46:18 GMT
Sounds like an advertisment for this company ^^
Of course I am just being cynical, but I can get peoples anecdotes on this site at the total cost of.... erm.... nothing, and support groups are available at no charge as well.
I just hate companies profiting out of ADHD. I have much more time for the people that offer support to ALL people, rather than just the wealthy.
The only time the owner of Simply Wellbeing has been on this site, has been to advertise his paid for services, and to explain how expensive it is to run a support group (strange how most others seem to manage on a shoestring budget, and offer a free support group)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 9:52:37 GMT
Well, I have just come back from hearing Dr Bose and hey what an amazing guy! After 3 hours sleep last night (don't ask), went to his lecture and perked up with his animated talk. The Dr is a fount of knowledge on the subject but what was striking was all the different ancedotes he gave. I've been to a few talks/ read lots of stuff from the internet etc but this was quite different. A refreshing change from the usual patter, articles etc..1st hand testimonies from his practice, at the front line seeing ADHD present itself - being ADHD himself apparently. So lively and charasmatic. You missed something there! So many paradoxical aspects to ADHD which I've been pondering about in my own case - people who cannot cope with stress/ risk (like a few on this forum who don't want to take the chance LOL) vs the more common default position of ADHD of being risk taking; miserly people vs those reckless with money; being untidy vs being OCD obsessively tidy. It's all part of the same paradigm that is ADHD whereby folks get their dopamine fix.. What was so good about tonight's talk was the memorable first hand examples he gave. I'd been thinking to myself - how can I be obsessive about some things (but dont have OCD or do I??) and totally lacking in focus and detail over other things... Paid £20 in advance for tonight. Where else is stuff going on? It can only be a good thing for the ADHD community. Been on the Maudsley waiting list for almost a year for psycho-education and when it comes, my PCT will be paying a lot more than £20 for me to attend a session, rest assured.. I highly commend Simply Wellbeing for this initiative. As a staff member here I'd like to point out that guests posting hagiography are to be treated with suspicion and that if you want to be taken seriously sign up for free as a gesture of openness. This would also mean that we could trace the IP address There is the point that Simply Wellbeing is the most prolific supplier of this type of lecture - the commercial market is at least trying to fill a yawning gap. Anyone wanting me to appear/speak at their event need only cover my expenses ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 12:45:37 GMT
Hands up! It's me! The mystery guest!! I have a name - Sarafina. Absolutely NO connection to this enterprise. Can categorically state that am not guilty of hagiography (learnt a new word).
You see I am ADHD and can't be bothered to login sometimes (what's my user name - Dah -wait for password to come through..No, simply do not have the patience). But many apologies for the suspicious email. It was really quite innocent.
I feel compelled to write now because the LAST thing I would want to do would be to compromise this endeavour; what I would call a social enterprise with regard to the talks. Yes, sure, there are spin offs for the organisation with more lucrative coaching etc..but what is wrong with this!?!? Moderator - why don't you propose to the business owner and do a talk, for your expenses or even a fee if you would like to see it as a professional effort? The UCL dept of Neurology is partly backing this I would imagine, so either way would most likely be acceptable....
I am not rich - transitioning/ out of work in fact but found the money yesterday to attend. On other days, I have had to forgo a smaller amount (£10 to attend the support group, no longer running) because I simply did not have the dosh, even though as a local could walk to the event. But the alternative - a 'free' central London group at an environment so distracting can't even articulate my name, Costas etc, with ludicrously expensive drinks/ snacks is a no-brainer for me. Of course, if you have expensive train fares etc (now, they are a rip off) then attending this type of thing is expensive.
Perhaps simply Wellbeing might entertain the notion of uploading onto Ted Talks, Vimeo, You tube or another media - to reach out to those who are unable to attend for geographical, financial or lack-of-time reasons...? (if they are looking on, because to re-iterate - am totally unconnected to them!). There would still be plenty of advantages for attending in person, networking being one of them.
Yes - all the ADHD entrepreneurs (I count myself one of these but just cooking things myself here) step in!!!! It is a free market with glaring-much-needed GAPS. I get very angry with all this negativity about coaching adverts. We need coaches. so many more. We need professional ADHD organisers this side of the pond. Any body know one in London???
Being diagnosed by NHS....they wanted to do me twice because of childhood abuse....waiting 9 months between PCT approval at each and every stage from initial enquiry to final outcome...culminating in a period of 2 years...not being able to afford private diagnosis/ titration help etc. I would have been a complete WRECK if it had not been for the support of groups such as Simply Wellbeing because quite simply, THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE!!!! Just left hanging by NHS. What customer care is that?!?!
No, I in case you are wondering...am not a raving Tory. Pretty left of centre in fact.
So please....... let's get a mature perspective on this. There does'nt have to be camps and divisions. The resource of a forum at UCL and specialist Phd research on ADHD is there to help everyone in the ADHD community, loaded people, educated people or not. Am I being so naive?
PS Moderator.. need to give you some windbag some day about the technical aspects/ userbility of this site. How hard it is for me and other ADDers to even find the forum on the site, sign in etc, reply... But enough rant for now. Sorry if I offend
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 21:14:44 GMT
To answer your last point, I just bookmark the latest posts, and click through to there. I very rarely go to the main site. From the new posts link, it is fairly easy to navigate the rest of the forums. aadduk.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=newestthreads (link if it helps). On the other points you made - thanks for clearing up that it was not an advertisment. I think we will have to agree to disagree about the subject of paying for support groups. I won't budge on the matter - and I presume you won't either I also don't need ADHD coaching, so when you say "we" I presume you mean "you and some others". I get enough support by talking to my peers through email, the chat evenings on here, and meeting in person on occasion (either at Planet Daves Manchester group, or a day/evening out with other ADHDers). I don't like support groups in busy coffee shops etc either. It seems to defeat the object of a support group. I also agree with the lack of support from the NHS post diagnosis. John
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Post by odat on Jun 22, 2012 21:34:17 GMT
Back again. In brief - I am glad I went though that's more as I'm new. Dr Bose was very engaging (he has ADHD too) but I'm sure he still hams up his presentations. His presentation was only supposed to be 35-ish mins but he overran and I'm glad he did was £20 was a lot for that (IMO)> Longer version - Dr Bose was very engaging, slightly nutty (in a good way) and definitely used to presenting as a lecturer. He has ADHD himself and overran his talk by about 15 minutes. He first talked about some of the basic whys and wherefores behind how our brains work. I'm new to ADHD so this was good to hear but I'm not sure how I'd have felt if I had been around a while. The part about the paradoxes was very much researched basis ie this book says this but that book says that but again as a newcomer, it was all still interesting and I am still glad I went. The schedule for the night was supposed to go something like this: 19:00 - 19:25 Andrew Lewis 19:25 - 20:00 Dr Bose 20:00 - 20:30 Break (They did say the break was going to be 30 mins which really surprised me. In the end it was only 10 mins because Dr B overran but a 30 min break would have been too much IMO. Apparently as above it gives people an opportunity to network but that's not why I was there. It was nice to chat to people during the break FWIW) 20:30 - 21:00 Q&A Please note these times may be slightly off as I can't remember exactly but I remembered the break comment. The Q&A session had to be somewhat shortened but a few questions were really helpful for me. The last one wasn't but I'll leave that alone The 25 min slot at the beginning is mostly Andrew talking about his working model of ADHD which is on his site. Of course he goes into more detail. Again as a newcomer this was good but I wouldn't want to hear that each time. This is based on the assumption he does present it the same each time and he did say at the beginning apologies to those who've heard it before so I think it's fair to say that's a repeat. Now as for the commercial comments and criticism above. I don't think they are fair. Yes Andrew did refer to his coaching quite a few times however it' was never anything more "in my coaching we do this.....". I don't see any difference between what he does and what a private psych does or a life coach etc. Okay different roles of course but he definitely didn't push his business inappropriately. I've no idea of his overheads or the time/money involved in organizing the event, if speakers are paid etc but noone should lose money for putting on an event that people are obviously interested in. In addition, it's not as if there's many people even getting off their arses to organise paid for events so at least he's trying! I certainly don't think he could get away with charging any more though - I wouldn't have paid! So am I glad I went - yes? Will I go again? Possibly but it will depend on the topic. The next one is about nutrition which interests me but it's apparently going to be pro-supplements. Andrew said that he doesn't think that the modern diet can cover all we need and I find that a difficult sentence to grasp. I've got a very good knowledge of nutrition and do believe that many people take supplements when they don't need to. I was planning on doing some reading into this myself and I may go along but at this stage, I doubt it. However this is supposed to be a double bill but there's no 'professional organiser' booked yet. I don't think I'm interested in that topic anyhow.
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Post by claudhopper on Jun 22, 2012 21:37:14 GMT
if they were so concerned with public well being you'd think they would have a you tube channel. I looked up Bose and Simply Wellbeing and found nought. There is some good stuff there though but there could be more.
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Post by odat on Jun 22, 2012 21:47:16 GMT
That may be an xpost to my post claud but there's no reason they should have to have a youtube channel. It's a shame there's no speeches by Bose though. They'd be well worth watching I came back to say I've just been reading about more the speaker for next time and I won't be going. Though her profile on simplywellbeing does very clearly say she's a herbalist, I still managed to miss it ETA - There's a few talks later in the year that interest me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 21:53:46 GMT
Andrew said that he doesn't think that the modern diet can cover all we need and I find that a difficult sentence to grasp. I've got a very good knowledge of nutrition and do believe that many people take supplements when they don't need to. I was planning on doing some reading into this myself and I may go along but at this stage, I doubt it. I know quite a bit about it too and when I read the first line of the bit I've quoted, I said, "Bollocks!" out loud!
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Post by cleverliteral on Jun 23, 2012 12:21:33 GMT
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Post by odat on Jun 23, 2012 12:34:03 GMT
CL - I made it very clear in my post I was new to ADHD hence my interest in the evening would be different to those who have been around for longer. I don't think we've crossed paths on here before but you've made some pretty odd judgements of me... Surely it's up to me to decide what I can and get out of something and if I want to pay to attend something voluntarily! I gave my opinion on Andrew and Simply Wellbeing - both the good and bads. I also never said that ADHD was a good thing either. Quite frankly, I hate having it and if I could press a red button to take it away tomorrow, I will. I will agree with you that Andrew does focus more on the positive side of ADHD ie it's a good thing to have. However just because he says that, doesn't mean there weren't things I could take out of the session. I have my own mind and won't be easily influenced Also, though I have a psych, a lot of my learnings about ADHD have been very virtual. It was nice to have some more face to face contact about it. The Costa group has always been on my mind to attend but surely there's no rules I can't attend both if I want to. However if I'm going to face a judgement like you've just made at the Costa group, I will pass. I also don't care if someone is 'ADHD-enough'. If I can learn from them, great. If not, then I'll move on. Even if Dr Bose didn't have ADHD, he kept me focussed and that's not something that can happen easily. I also have a rare neurological condition - does the fact my neurosurgeons/neurologists not have this condition mean they can't help me? No, so your point is immaterial.
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Post by cleverliteral on Jun 23, 2012 14:00:40 GMT
No, I'm not new. I've been to those meetings, I've studied fake-breasts-site and fake-breasts-blog.
You wrote it — you would press the button to take your ADHD away. That's what most of the real people with real ADHD would do. If it's all new for you, then it's fine that you like it, but when you will discover that there's more than what you saw, then you will, hopefully, start to see things that are fake and hopefully you will not wish to tolerate them.
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Post by odat on Jun 23, 2012 14:48:18 GMT
Again, surely it's my right to decide what I do and don't want to do/pay for etc. I'm not going into this blind. You don't know my background and I think your judgement was completely unnecessary and frankly annoying.
I left that event knowing there was no way I'd ever have coaching with Andrew but if there was a talk that I thought was interesting or beneficial, I will pay the money to attend.
And just a tip, the more you tell someone to not to do something they have their own interests in, the more they will begin to defend that thing without even realising it ie you are pushing more people towards SWB.
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Post by cleverliteral on Jun 23, 2012 18:12:07 GMT
I don't care about just anyone. I care about smart people with ADHD. Hopefully for them it will be enough to read my posts and they will understand what is what.
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Post by cleverliteral on Jun 24, 2012 0:54:06 GMT
LOL. How about now? Am I stable enough? I am not stable, you hmmmm, obviously. That's the reality of being in a usual ADHD state for many people. (Not when they suppress it, obviously.) > Smart or not, people deserve the right to make up their own mind. Think about that please! People deserve the right to be mistaken. Yes, they do, including you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2012 1:42:17 GMT
Get over yourself and stop dictating. Your opinion - because that's what it is - is no more valid than anyone else's and suggesting people are stupid because they're rather explore for themselves than accept one person's word is in itself stupid.
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Post by odat on Jun 24, 2012 7:32:28 GMT
LOL. How about now? Am I stable enough? I am not stable, you hmmmm, obviously. That's the reality of being in a usual ADHD state for many people. (Not when they suppress it, obviously.) > Smart or not, people deserve the right to make up their own mind. Think about that please! People deserve the right to be mistaken. Yes, they do, including you. Oh calm down. I didn't say you were unstable - I said the impression from your posts on Twitter (I've never noticed you on here) was that I would wonder if you were or not.
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Post by cleverliteral on Jun 24, 2012 21:41:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2012 22:07:32 GMT
It appears that I was posting post match (ie incredibly pissed) so I've edited this post coz it was a little.......abrasive.
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Post by cleverliteral on Jun 24, 2012 22:41:19 GMT
planetdave, it's fine.
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Post by oxymoran on Jul 5, 2012 17:54:04 GMT
The Expert Talk was £20 pounds. I thought it was fantastic. I almost bought the season ticket for £80 wish I had. Drinks and food could have been a bit better. More time for questions would have been nice. I am definitely going to the October one as I suffer from Anxiety and ADHD . Recently diagnosed.
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Post by odat on Jul 5, 2012 19:32:14 GMT
Oxymoran - was this your first post here? Not registering ie posting as a guest is bound to raise suspicious and a plug for the season ticket in your first post. People here aren't stupid
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