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Post by cheekybuddha on May 22, 2013 5:31:01 GMT
Morning ;D Just picking up on the front page story "adhd-and-obesity-a-surprising-result" Why do people think this could be? For me I suspect the ADhD brain is very fond of sugar. I always loved sugar and sought it out as a kid,more than my siblings. It felt like it woke my brain up, cut through the fog and helped me focus. Even now if I feel tired or scattered I crave sweets and carbs. Sugar also interacts with the dopamine receptors which I know are related to ADHD, so I think it's like a little 'hit' I'm also rubbish at self care and maintaining being conscious minded and healthy so I probably impulse eat more and as I'm less organised with life, that will mean food too, so I suddenly realise I'm hungry and eat a quick snack. I'd be interested to know what anyone else thinks
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Post by Kathymel on May 22, 2013 7:46:29 GMT
Was it the Mail you were looking at? I saw a more comprehensive article in The Scientific American - possibly the original?
Looking at the comments on The Mail's article, it's pleasing to note that, whilst the usual ignorant comments are there, they are mostly 'red-arrowed'.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 8:01:30 GMT
Looking back, I think I was able to think more clearly whilst stuffing my face full of junk.
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Post by DKL - darkknightslover on May 22, 2013 10:06:34 GMT
The food hospital series 2 did a teenage boy with ADHD and said something about the role of sugar/carbs. It's available on 4od.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 16:10:16 GMT
Morning ;D Just picking up on the front page story "adhd-and-obesity-a-surprising-result" Why do people think this could be? For me I suspect the ADhD brain is very fond of sugar. I always loved sugar and sought it out as a kid,more than my siblings. It felt like it woke my brain up, cut through the fog and helped me focus. Even now if I feel tired or scattered I crave sweets and carbs. Sugar also interacts with the dopamine receptors which I know are related to ADHD, so I think it's like a little 'hit' I'm also rubbish at self care and maintaining being conscious minded and healthy so I probably impulse eat more and as I'm less organised with life, that will mean food too, so I suddenly realise I'm hungry and eat a quick snack. I'd be interested to know what anyone else thinks This is what I am like too. John
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Post by cheekybuddha on May 22, 2013 16:16:52 GMT
Hi Kathymel There is an article on our very own lovely aadduk home page about it x Darknightlover , thanks ill check it out Really interesting to read others feel the same too, thanks for your replies I think there is a link between diet and symptoms, I know ADHD is not caused by sugar, but I think our brains interact differently with food/food chemicals . But I'm only going off myself and my friends for that knowledge
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Post by JJ on May 22, 2013 22:48:45 GMT
Definitely with you on everything you said in your original post. Eating releases dopamine - which the adhd brain is lacking - so this research seems so logical and unastounding to me in that respect. Also, when I start eating yum stuff, I can't stop until its all gone - no matter how much is there, it has to go to stop it calling out to me from the cupboard (figuratively, not literally of course - wrong forum for me otherwise!) I just can't understand those people who have a 'goodies cupboard' - that just would not work for me and consequently we never have anything nice in unless I buy it that day and it goes that day - I think it's the addictive personality bit, coupled with the impulsiveness and the inability to be motivated that much about future consequences (clothes not fitting crisis)..... Written this and now thinking is it only me with these issues / inability to have goody cupboard.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 0:53:05 GMT
I found that if I only have a "finite" amount of a good thing, I'll do what you do, and eat it all at once. I overcome this by having a LOT of stuff in my sweet cupboard, I then don't have quite as much of an addictive tendency. I don't think it would work if there was danger of anyone else raiding the cupboard though John
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Post by Kathymel on May 23, 2013 2:58:28 GMT
Not just you, JJ. I frequently find myself berating the cupboards for not having anything nice in them but, really, I deliberately don't buy nice things because I will eat/drink the lot. I make an exception for red wine.
I recently noticed that Dairy Milk are selling their large chocolate bars in re-sealable packets and I thought - yeah, right.
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Post by manson88 on May 23, 2013 9:00:54 GMT
Dairy milk it's better to buy a 120g bar at 99p than buy the the 60g bar at 75p.
And yes can relate I have a problem with chocolate.
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Post by simonwgill on May 23, 2013 9:39:11 GMT
Written this and now thinking is it only me with these issues / inability to have goody cupboard. It's not just you... I was housesitting for someone over the last couple of weeks who does keep a goody cupboard. It didn't last long, so I replaced what I'd eaten. That didn't last long. So I left it as long as I could before replacing what she had... and buying enough to make me feel ill every remaining day. Kinda worked, she still had the right amount when I left, but my healthy eating intention went out the window.
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Post by JJ on May 23, 2013 12:19:45 GMT
Lol simonwgill - when my children were first old enough to get Easter, I single handedly propped up the chocolate egg market for a few years - I'd get them the fancy ones they wanted, eat them, replace them, eat them, replace them, eat them etc etc - they always ended up with the only crappy small ones left on the shelves the day before and I effectively spent £100 on 2 packets of buttons and a bar of cadburys! I've stopped that now and just get what's on the shelf on Saturday afternoon and leave them in my car overnight. This was a plan that worked until this year when my ex and i spent 8 hours between us going to every supermarket, corner shop and petrol garage in the south east trying to find eggs - everywhere was sold out and the kids had to have a couple bars choc each instead. I felt terrible My poor boys - just another thing to add to the list of topics about me for therapy sessions when they grow up John - my kids would much prefer to live in your house rather than mine! Re-sealable choc bars If ever there was a solution to a problem that doesn't exist!!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 12:33:44 GMT
I deliberately don't buy nice things because I will eat/drink the lot. Same. Stopped buying chocolate hobnobs because I can't just eat one, I have to eat the lot. Same for sweets, cereals, anything. Once I get a taste for it, it takes me ages to ween myself back off!
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Post by Kathymel on May 23, 2013 16:34:59 GMT
My son likes to do a bit of baking now and then. When he comes shopping with me he often puts a couple of bars of cooking chocolate in the trolley. It's got to the point where he will hide it somewhere when we get home so I don't eat it. Last time, I hid it first. I had eaten and replaced it 3 times before he remembered it had even been bought.
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Post by JJ on May 23, 2013 16:42:15 GMT
Omg !! My kids have got special secret choc and crisps hiding places in their rooms too - they make a big deal out of 'operation keep it from mummy' whenever they want to keep something for longer than immediately eating
- one stands guard at the living room door so I can't get out while the other one hides it somewhere and the third one sings loudly to cover up any tell-tale noises!!
This is not normal behaviour !!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by cheekybuddha on May 24, 2013 16:03:29 GMT
Been laughing at your replies, it sounds so like me
Eating people out of house and trying to replace it, I'm terrible with my son I eat all the treats I buy him! So yes than you have to buy loads to ensure there is some for others or buy none! Oh this life of extremes can be tiring!
I actually have always beaten myself up over my 'weak will' and lack of ability to put half a pack of biscuits back, like my siblings, they just ave one then put them away...how what? I feel comforted to think maybe it is a symptom of ADHD and isn't just my dirty secret, others are like it too!
I'm the same with everything, prefer to just get it all eaten/drunk/smoked etc otherwise as previously mentioned, it talks to me like a siren.
Mon Dieu this condition has its hooks into places I never knew it did, the carlsberg of the neurobiological
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Post by jan on May 24, 2013 20:48:22 GMT
;D ;D dunno how i missed this thread! must be cos mind was on my dx oh yeah and why is it called dx as its short for diagnosis (in it?) why isn't it dg? doesn't make sense to me anyway back to choc jj you are me ;D every year for years bought my daughter easter eggs from me and my mum and dad (cos they lived in wales and never got it together to send her anything) and from my sister and her partner who just never bothered and friends would buy her eggs as well so would have them here in advance as well! every bloody year would eat the lot replace it eat the lot again etc etc as years went by would hide it all in attic but still end up going up there and getting it down and eating it all worst part she not even fussy on chocolate she more savoury inclined so once had replaced them and she finally got them then she'd leave them hanging around house for weeks and i'd end up eating the lot again and having to give her money for them as no eggs left in shops last 2 years thought bollocks to this is ridicilous and have just given her £50 for easter and any my friends have bought her have eaten with no guilty conscience and i'm still quids in
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Post by simonwgill on May 24, 2013 20:54:17 GMT
;D ;D dunno how i missed this thread! must be cos mind was on my dx oh yeah and why is it called dx as its short for diagnosis (in it?) why isn't it dg? doesn't make sense to me I *think* it's based off RX which is short for Receive in communications speak and used to describe the process of receiving prescriptions. Ie, you get a DX and go for your RX. At least, it's used like that in the States and we get the cultural backflow. TX is transmit, in case anyone was wondering.
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Post by JJ on May 24, 2013 23:05:48 GMT
Ohhh yes, have done the attic thing - didn't work for me either Think yr idea re money instead of eggs is great - but not sure how would sell it to my 4 year old... And the shame next April when he's at school if he mentions to his teacher OMG - I really think between us we've uncovered a new diagnostic criteria - gonna put it on wiki right now * Easily distracted * Tendency to procrastinate * Poor time management * Steals chocolate from friends and small children Am on phone to Dr Russell Barkley soon as finished this post !!!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 11:54:10 GMT
brilliant!
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Post by Kathymel on May 25, 2013 18:11:20 GMT
* Steals chocolate from friends and small children Am on phone to Dr Russell Barkley soon as finished this post !!! Ha! Love it. ;D
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Post by kreate on May 27, 2013 22:32:03 GMT
It annoys me when people say Sugar causes ADHD (we have all heard it) People have sugar because of the ADHD!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 23:53:13 GMT
I can so relate to all this too. My current habit is to eat a whole packet of ginger nut biscuits and at least one mars bar a day. I managed to not eat any biscuits yesterday and thought I was cured, but sure enough, back to normal today.
What's worse, is my 14 year old daughter walked all the way to the supermarket on Saturday and bought me a whole shopping bag full of health snacks to help. Bless! I haven't eaten any of those yet - the guilt!
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Post by cheekybuddha on May 28, 2013 8:50:26 GMT
I'm convinced there is an in depth relationship between neurobiology, symptoms and sugar intake. Here is an article I just read (skimmed!) about low beta endorphins which produce amongst other stuff, low self esteem and sugar cravings www.radiantrecovery.com/newsensitive4.htm
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Post by cheekybuddha on May 28, 2013 8:51:35 GMT
Little snippet about serotonin
When your serotonin is at an ideal level, you feel mellow and relaxed, hopeful and optimistic. You have a sense of being at peace with life. You are creative, thoughtful, and focused. You also have a lot of impulse control, which enables you to "just say no" more easily.
People who are sugar-sensitive have naturally low levels of serotonin. As a result, you do not have good impulse control. It is almost impossible for you to "just say no" because there is such a short time between your getting the urge to do something and then doing it. The insufficient serotonin level in your brain isn't giving you the time you need to make good decisions.
Besides being impulsive, you may feel depressed and find yourself craving foods such as bread, pasta or candy. This craving is the work of your brain, not your ego, because your brain knows that getting you to eat such foods will temporarily raise your serotonin level. Unfortunately, it will also have a devastating boomerang effect and cause all sorts of negative feelings. Having low serotonin can cause these feelings:
• Feeling depressed
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Post by cheekybuddha on May 28, 2013 8:52:39 GMT
Oops missed off
• Feeling depressed
• Acting impulsively
• Feeling blocked and scattered
• Having a short attention span
• Feeling suicidal
• Craving sweets and simple carbohydrates
Beta Endorphin
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 14:26:25 GMT
Those symptoms accurately describe me. I feel like I'm learning that lots of my problems aren't purely my fault, which is a huge relief, but I still don't know how to fix any of them. I just go round in circles.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 19:30:03 GMT
Have just been monitoring my mood, and it would appear eating sugar provides immediate relief. That, or I am the sugar monster?
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Post by cheekybuddha on May 28, 2013 19:49:05 GMT
I find that too Petra, it can perk me up and help me think more clearly, which I Theorise is why we are more sugar monsterish!
As this article says, sugar can produce higher serotonin levels, in addition to I think ? Dopamine levels which are highly correlated with ADHD
But in the longer run through course of day or week, it creates other problems for us (mood fluctuation, blood sugar variation, promoting spikes and crashes, irregular neurochemical release, bad teeth, yeast overgrowth, body fat, bad guts, sugar can also cause brain fog as well as temporarily cut through it) and isn't very helpful.
But damn it's addictive, I've managed to give up most of my addictions but I'm scared of tackling this beast ;/
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 19:55:00 GMT
Really, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Tis an evil and cunning enemy is sugar
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