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Post by clubby on Oct 21, 2015 17:53:15 GMT
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Post by clubby on Oct 28, 2015 9:08:03 GMT
I have never been on a forum before where there is such a load of civilised and polite people (even the venting is appropriate).
Do you moderate heavily @planetdave or are adhd people simply more considerate.?
WHAT AN ENIGMA
If you look up the word "considerate" you get lots of synonyms which look like a diagnosis for what adhd is not:-
Attentive ; mindful ; cooperative ; patient ; ...............
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Post by clubby on Oct 28, 2015 9:52:19 GMT
I get upset when I read about people's struggle with diagnosis. It seems to me that mental health professionals are trying to use the time honoured techniques used in physical diagnosis (ie where parts of the body organise themselves into identifiable units), to understand the mind.
The mind is as flexible as a morphing bit of plasticine. It's form changes every second.
Before the mid 17th century, mathematics could only assist scientists with the fixed structural form ie geometry
Then Newton and Leibniz introduced a form of mathematics which allowed scientists to understand changing form ie calculus, and the industrial revolution ensued.
We need an equivalent revolution in mental health, a set of tools to map the flexibility of the mind.
Only then can we hope to escape the horrible trap where diagnosis is impossibly difficult because the mind is flexible but where diagnosis must be made before help is given.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 11:58:45 GMT
I have never been on a forum before where there is such a load of civilised and polite people (even the venting is appropriate). Do you moderate heavily @planetdave or are adhd people simply more considerate.? WHAT AN ENIGMA If you look up the word "considerate" you get lots of synonyms which look like a diagnosis for what adhd is not:- Attentive ; mindful ; cooperative ; patient ; ............... Moderation is a thankless game - unless you are actually 'moderated' you shouldn't really notice us (and it's definitely not just me). In general this is a very civilised forum but we can have outbreaks of fighting - we've not had one for ages. I try not to edit anything anyone says - I use the old Advertising Standards Agency mantra of is it legal, decent and honest as a guide. We'd prefer people not to swear but you're all adults and should be treated as such (if you know it's offensive then don't write it!) - as long as it's not completely outrageous what is written stays. Most of the job is monitoring spam (trying to sell you stuff, promoting escort agencies etc - once we had HARDCORE pornography all over the forum). One of the hardest things for me is to read comments which contain erroneous material - I want to go in and edit it out but can't unless it's actually dangerous - one of the points of the forum is being free to say/discuss anything concerning ADHD world. A lot of the time I read stuff and think 'not now' because the information given is correct but the recipient isn't ready to hear it IMO. Apart from spammers nobody has been banned for over a year - IIRC the last one was begging members for meds by PM and didn't stop despite warnings - that's not acceptable. If you weren't aware I run an ADHD advocacy which includes peer support groups - I barely get to talk to anyone without ADHD any more. Although some of them are very deeply troubled (and a bit scary) what I've found is that ADHDers are an incredibly pleasant/likeable bunch that understand that they're a bit wayward and try to compensate for it. There may be plenty of foot in mouth moments and misunderstandings but they're usually not malicious so I just don my 'didn't mean it' hat and keep going. Tangent over - nothing to see here, move along
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 12:13:43 GMT
Newton and Leibniz introduced a form of mathematics which allowed scientists to understand changing form ie calculus, and the industrial revolution ensued. I know this is just an analogy but I can't help commenting. The industrial revolution happened because all the technologies were mature in the same place - they needed copious amounts of iron, coal and transport links to coincide. Apart from surveying everything was done by 'eye' (yes, I realise surveying is done by eye, but it doesn't count!) so the advances in mathematics had to wait for industry to catch up, which then allowed science to push ahead (eg for explosives, dyes and accurate measurement). Sorry - I live in one of those industrial revolution hotspots and love the archaeology which is disappearing around me.
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Post by clubby on Oct 28, 2015 14:47:01 GMT
@planetdave. Thanks for the comments. I share your passion for industrial archaeology.
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Post by clubby on Oct 29, 2015 19:29:18 GMT
I'm in analogy mode again. Oh help I wish it would stop! In the meantime:
Here I am in a wee boat on a big loch - oh and its a braw bricht moonlicht nicht. (No guesses where I bide)
The poor wee boat has a faulty engine and no rudder. All the other punters on the loch are heading towards the local attractions. Johnny's going to the island, Penny's going to the pub, George is motoring after Penny.
I'm sitting in my wee boat trying to start my engine, and praying that when it does get going, I'll end up somewhere nice.
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Post by clubby on Oct 30, 2015 17:37:00 GMT
Was sitting this afternoon in a noisy cafe with hubby. There was a kiddies toy computer playing a moronic tune over and over. It was driving me nuts.
Hubby declared he could block it out and focus exclusively on any sound in the room. Wow!
That's as confusing to me as people who say they can see dead people.
What a wonderful world.
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Post by clubby on Nov 2, 2015 15:46:07 GMT
I just threw a monster tantrum at my lawyer who just told me that on logical matters, lawyers like to take a view.
I must be going mad. My emotions are screaming at me. I feel totally disempowered.
No doubt the emotion will pass but oh what a stinking world!
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Post by contrarymary on Nov 2, 2015 15:55:46 GMT
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Post by clubby on Nov 2, 2015 17:57:07 GMT
Hope you got a monster box of tissues. (((((Contrarymary))))
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Post by clubby on Nov 17, 2015 22:18:35 GMT
I've got a puzzle to solve.
I feel as if I spend my whole life tidying up -really boring.
Yet, if I am always tidying up, why are things always in such a mess.
When does the mess making happen?
I have tried to keep things constantly tidy but it seems such a waste of a life, the constant vigilance required.
I am glad I am easily distracted. It is so much more fun.
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Post by contrarymary on Nov 17, 2015 22:20:55 GMT
i ws thinking exactly that yesterday! there is only me much of the time, so who makes the mess? i need less stuff, then there would definitely be less mess
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Post by clubby on Jan 6, 2016 20:06:38 GMT
Yippee - I am back on line.
Its been almost a month since I've had an internet connection and it is shocking how difficult it is to be without it.
Finally got moved - what a relief. We are so remote, we have had to install satellite broadband. I still can't get my head around my words
getting pinged into space.
Determined to get organised and stay organised.
New Year Resolution - not to get distracted while cooking pasta!!!
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Post by JJ on Jan 6, 2016 21:34:37 GMT
clubby Satellite broadband!! I want that! Did you have to pay a big installation fee? Can it work using your sky dish? Are there any minuses compared to normal broadband? We actually have fibre / BT infinity here, but it only goes to the exchange, so then goes through the copper wire to the houses, which means I can frequently get 1-2 Mbps download and barely registering above zero upload. It makes me want to chuck iPad through the window on occasions. I live in a Kent city as well, less than a mile from centre, so it's not even in the sticks. Drives me MAD I'd never heard of satellite broadband before. I need it now
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Post by contrarymary on Jan 6, 2016 22:20:45 GMT
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Post by clubby on Jan 7, 2016 17:59:21 GMT
jjIt is a bit more expensive. We got a grant because ordinary broadband isn't available in our area. I was told the equipment (satellite dish etc) costs about £500. Its a bigger dish than the Sky one. Google Europasat. So far so good, it is working really well.
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Post by JJ on Jan 7, 2016 18:06:36 GMT
£500 Oh well then, excruciatingly slow broadband it remains for me then
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Post by clubby on Jan 16, 2016 23:01:12 GMT
Over the last few days I've been researching empathy with adhd and in the process got somewhat miserable. There are such a lot of depressed people out there.
Then I came across another post about how our dopamine is hoovered up before it gets to jump to the next neurotransmitter. The result is thoughts stopping mid stream. I can relate to that. The result is that I think in small unsequenced chunks, making it hard to maintain focus. Then I had an idea to bridge the chunks using music.
This sounds bonkers, but I assigned a tune to every room in the house. While preparing for visitors, I hummed the tune of the room I was to go to next. So while tidying up the kitchen, I was humming "Little April Showers" to remind me that the bathroom was next to be cleaned.
My dopamine pathways seem to be clear in musical mode and it worked a treat. I managed to stay focussed which is a miracle.
If I remember about this technique tomorrow I will try to build on it.
P.S Now humming the "Lullaby" song as I type so I focus on bed time otherwise I will disappear into another exciting distraction.
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Post by contrarymary on Jan 16, 2016 23:12:18 GMT
that is amazing clubby thanks for sharing for my Whole Life i have sung much of the time, except when i'm doing something else that involves words / my mouth - eating, speaking, sleeping, writing, reading i ALWAYS sing when moving around, when doing chores, when calculating, when writing shopping lists, when getting dressed, washing my hands, brushing my teeth, putting on makeup, washing my hair - to me it's like breathing. my default mode, my subconscious mode, is to sing, & most of the time i don't even know i'm doing it. it helps me concentrate, & if i have to Not Sing i find it harder to do ... everything - thinking, sticking to routine chores, motivating myself etc. if i'm struggling to get going i will put on something that i can sing along to, and if i'm going to need to keep focus i will have something singable in the background all day. a lot of people think i'm weird, and that's fine. i'm still singing.
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Post by clubby on Jan 17, 2016 13:05:26 GMT
Excellent contrarymary. I am a great believer in the power of the subconscious to protect/nurture us. If it tells us to sing, hum or anything to get past the adhd blockages then lets sing our hearts out. I feel so energised by the thought that music can enable the adhd thoughts to flow freely.
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Post by clubby on Jan 31, 2016 21:38:10 GMT
Its been one of those weeks when too much information has flooded my brain. I know there has been a lot of excitement but I can't access my memory and make sense of it. The only thing bouncing around in my consciousness are the words "re-set the brain", courtesy of contrarymary. Its time to get out of LaLaLand. Its time to reset the brain. 1 Make contact with the real world -look at an object in the room. 2 Look at the watch - what time is it 3 Does something routine need to be done now 4 Be brave - start the job 5 Let the job lead 6 Use music to stay focussed 7 Resist the creative thoughts that drag you into LaLaLand 8 Achieve the goal 9 Celebrate with glowing emotions Well that is the theory. Since I am unable to remember my own thoughts, getting underway is a massive leap , here we go, of FAITH.
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Post by contrarymary on Jan 31, 2016 21:39:45 GMT
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Post by clubby on Feb 1, 2016 10:57:38 GMT
Well, it worked for the job of tidying the kitchen but I forgot the music bit which caused me to hyperfocus which meant I was distracted from going to bed.
The hyperfocus set my mind racing like a runaway train and I ended up knitting slowly, click, click, click in an attempt to slow the neurons.
I then got creative with the knitting and turned the squares into a hat for an old doll whose hair is a bit thin, which wound me up again.
Three jobs for the price of one, tidy kitchen, doll's hat, happier doll ----- but 1 hour late for bed and a restless night.
Progress, but work in progress.
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Post by davem on Feb 1, 2016 15:51:07 GMT
I have enjoyed reading everyone's dairies so much that I thought I might join in and hopefully help others in the way others have helped me. Today I am thinking about sequencing. Simply I cannot maintain a sequence of repetitive actions. I get so far and the brain just seizes. A lot of modern jobs involve interacting with machinery that goes "tic-toc-toe" all day. Beats me how people keep it up. I am better with work that is totally random. Trouble is that entry level jobs are all "tic-toc-toe". You have to prove you are a good sequencer before you get to be random. Catch 22. I've walked out of a few jobs because of this. I once worked on a factory line for a well-known electronics manufacturer. My job was to attach rubber feet to the base of microwaves using an electrical tool. The line went something like "clunk, click, clunk, click, clunk, click, clunk, click," then the microwave would arrive and it would fall silent. I would then turn the microwave over and insert the first foot with a heavy duty, electrical power tool which made a noise similar to a drill. I would repeat this as I attached four feet, turn the microwave back over onto its feet and the line would recommence "clunk, click, clunk, click, clunk, click," until the next microwave. This would repeat for 7-8 hours per day. I lasted about 10 days. I quit from a supermarket after about 3 days where I was a shelf-stacker because I couldn't cope with being rooted to the spot, performing repetitive tasks. I also quit a job at a credit card company where I was a data entry clerk. The job involved inputting balance transfers all day long. I simply couldn't cope with it.
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Post by clubby on Feb 1, 2016 17:09:45 GMT
Hi davemI think you did well to last 10 days. I find data entry absolute torture. I can do it for about 10 minutes then my brain literally siezes. I have to do it for my business and it causes me great stress because what is easy for some folk, takes me hours or even days. I was once in a production department and had to assemble joy sticks. After one day I had worked out 5 different ways I could put the parts together. My brain just wouldn't let me stick to one procedure. I had to give up on the second day because I started to really mess things up as the choice of 5 ways became unacceptable to my brain and it started to sieze once more. It is so hard to find work which allows the brain to be random, particularly when you have other co-morbid conditions which limit the choice further. I think in the past I would have been a good hand craftsman - perhaps in wood. Unfortunately those sort of jobs have been replaced by mechanisation and we are forced to follow this unnatural regular pattern. I just don't know how others do it?
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Post by clubby on Feb 1, 2016 22:54:36 GMT
I've tried every organising tip in every book, website and classroom and none of them make a blind bit of difference.
It seems to me that they all assume some sort of lack of willpower or idleness.
Now I am simply offended.
Something is missing in my brain and I don't realise it is missing because I can't see it in other people, any more than they can see it absent in me.
What is that thing?
I think I know but I am going to research it first. First port of call - Multitasking.
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Post by davem on Feb 2, 2016 10:17:28 GMT
I've tried every organising tip in every book, website and classroom and none of them make a blind bit of difference. It seems to me that they all assume some sort of lack of willpower or idleness. Now I am simply offended. Something is missing in my brain and I don't realise it is missing because I can't see it in other people, any more than they can see it absent in me.
What is that thing? I think I know but I am going to research it first. First port of call - Multitasking. Have a read around executive function if you haven't already.
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Post by clubby on Feb 2, 2016 10:58:41 GMT
Hi davemFor sure it is an executive disfunction.and one day the guys with the brain scanners will look at their images and point to the faulty component. Until then - It is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. If you don't know which part is missing how do you replace it? You just have to keep trying different components to see what works. I just know that all the organisational tips in the world don't make a blind bit of difference. Once the missing bit is in place, then the organisational tips will be brilliant because I will finally be able to practice all the excellent advise. At the moment I am experimenting with the component that allows me to move from one area of thought to another and then to return to the original area. The Hansel and Gretel story gives an insight. They wandered to the gingerbread house but weren't successful in setting a marker for the way back home. When I get distracted I don't have an automatic marker to show me the way back to what I was originally attending to. I get lost. Can this missing bit be learnt or does it need to be supported? Is this part of ADHD or some other comorbidity that I am subject to?
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Post by contrarymary on Feb 2, 2016 15:42:55 GMT
Once the missing bit is in place, then the organisational tips will be brilliant because I will finally be able to practice all the excellent advise. The Hansel and Gretel story gives an insight. They wandered to the gingerbread house but weren't successful in setting a marker for the way back home. When I get distracted I don't have an automatic marker to show me the way back to what I was originally attending to. I get lost. Can this missing bit be learnt or does it need to be supported? Is this part of ADHD or some other comorbidity that I am subject to? hi clubby i think it's a baseline part of ADHD, it's v common around here and one i can completely identify with. empathy about organisational tips. similarly re pacing: I've read umpteen books, worked with a number of different specialist OTs, and attended several courses over the last 18 years. i could easily teach it, or write a book about it, and am v popular in enabling others esp after illness, accidents etc. but i can't implement it sustainably to save my life
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