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Post by roland on Sept 12, 2009 20:27:24 GMT
Today, while I was looking for something else, I came across a Government website called UK Trade & Investment with an article from January of this year as follows: UK-China collaboration helps speedier child diagnosis
Health workers in China will be better able to diagnose hyperactivity in children thanks to a cash boost for UK training.
Funding has been awarded to an expert team to develop a training programme in the People’s Republic of China. Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a relatively unknown condition in China, despite experts believing that rates of suffering there are as high as in the UK, where at least three per cent of children are thought to be impaired by it.
Dr David Coghill, from the Centre for Child Health at the University of Dundee, Scotland, has been given funding of just over £500,000 to instruct professionals how to find ADHD in youngsters in China.
At present, relatively few Chinese children are identified and referred on to specialists and, although there are some centres of excellence, most clinicians are not trained or experienced in the formal assessment of ADHD.
Dr Coghill’s programme, called Building A Network Across Nations For ADHD Services, will increase the skills of a range of health, educational and voluntary service providers.
In China, the proposed project will focus on two quite different settings: Shanghi, a densely populated and rapidly developing urban area, and Changsha, a rural province. Experts from Dundee University will travel there to help train people about the signs to look for and how to diagnose ADHD.
Dr Coghill said: “This is a fantastic opportunity to make a difference to the lives of many children. We will be training the first group of doctors, teachers and voluntary workers how to recognise and assess ADHD and then they will go on to teach the next group and so, over time, the numbers of staff trained will be really very large.”
Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, which is estimated to affect between three and five per cent of school-age children, is one of the most common neuro-behavioural disorders of childhood and one of the most impairing.
ADHD is characterised by developmentally inappropriate levels of inattention, hyperactivity and impulsivity that give rise to serious impairments in academic performance and social adaptive and behavioural functioning, inside and outside the home.
Untreated children with ADHD are more likely to be excluded from school, have higher rates of accidents, poor relationships with parents, brothers and sisters and often have difficulty making and keeping friends.
They are more likely to get into trouble with the police and to smoke, consume alcohol and be involved with drugs. Treatment can reduce all of these difficulties. www.ukinvest.gov.uk/story/4041118/en-CN.htmlwww.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/885260?UserKey=Now I don't want to be mean and insular, and I'm glad Chinese children might be helped by this, but . . . . what about us? £500,000 could be used to train quite a few ADHD specialists here and in Scotland. We all know how good the services are for people with ADHD in Scotland. Right? I don't think so!! Oh and btw AADD-UK emailed the petition to Dr Coghill back in July and now notice that he hasn't signed it and hasn't replied to our email either!
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Post by roland on Sept 12, 2009 20:35:10 GMT
Here's a bit more about it from a Scottish website: Dundee doctors to train Chinese health workers
21 October 2008 Chinese health workers are set to become better at spotting attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) children after funding was awarded to a University of Dundee expert to develop a training programme in China.
Dr David Coghill from the Centre for Child Health, at Dundee, has been awarded £501,000 to train professionals how to spot children with ADHD in China, in a project nicknamed BANANAS -Building A Network Across Nations for ADHD Services.
ADHD is a relatively unknown condition in China, despite experts believing that rates of suffering there are as high as in the UK, where at least 3 per cent of children are thought to suffer from it.
Relatively few Chinese children are currently identified and referred and whilst there are some centres of excellence, most clinicians are not trained or experienced in the formal assessment of ADHD. Dr Coghill’s programme will increase the skills of a range of health, educational and voluntary service providers.
The proposed project will focus on two very different settings Shanghi a densely populated and rapidly developing urban area and Changsha a rural province. Experts from Dundee will travel to China to help train people about the signs to look out for and how to diagnose ADHD.
Dr Coghill says, “This is a fantastic opportunity to make a difference to the lives of many children. We will be training the first group of doctors, teachers and voluntary workers how to recognise and assess ADHD and then they will go on to teach the next group so over time the numbers of staff trained will be really very large www.scottish-enterprise.com/sedotcom_home/about-us/se-whatwedo/news-se-about-us/news-se-about-us-details.htm?articleid=257907BANANAS? Are they serious or is this a joke
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 20:37:17 GMT
Carry on number 10 or carry on up the highlands, somebody pinch me or even better knock me out! Must be some ADHD freindly Journalist to send this to with some UK adult figures? Even on the meds that is making me very very angry
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Post by roland on Sept 12, 2009 20:52:33 GMT
I completely agree safensound and I definitely think this should be sent to journalists I'm already thinking about how to do it It's driving me bloody bananas ;D btw: AADD-UK has now resent the petition email to Dr Coghill!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 21:09:12 GMT
roland,
Dont realy read the sun etc but bet they would love somthink like this and in this case i think its worth it especially with ADHD week coming up, every cloud has a silver lining. This could realy work to are advantage especialy if said doctor doesnt sign. Dont you just need to e mail the editor maybe we all should do a template and bombard the press, all the papers, i would put my name up for any quotes of EG's of struggle if no one else wanted to although i dont think my case is a true example of how bad things are especially scotland.
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Post by roland on Sept 12, 2009 21:19:12 GMT
I think we could just send it to the newsdesks, it would also help if we knew exactly where the funding came from. Was it taxpayer money? I'll keep looking for the source.
We could also send this to our MP's. Drive them all bananas ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 22:36:24 GMT
Does it say who provided the funding?
Sorry folks but is it not about time they thought of services in the UK first? The list of PCT responses was posted on here, many of these PCT's in the UK complaining of there being NO FUNDING for ADHD services for adults---just what is going on I wonder.
It's great that kids in these countries get a diagnosis and supported but talk about taking from the mouths of babes. (In the UK)
Is the reporter named in the article? Perhaps we should all send a copy to our MP's and have the issued raised in the House of Commons?
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Post by boo on Sept 12, 2009 22:36:27 GMT
i am speechless, and do you know the more i re-read it, the more i couldnt believe what i was reading shocking, truly shocking it would be interesting to find out where the funding came from though.
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Post by andy12345 on Sept 13, 2009 0:40:49 GMT
Am I awake or dreaming? £500k here you go. Residents of UK, go £$£$ yourselves.
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Post by laura on Sept 13, 2009 0:56:00 GMT
probably should be dreaming at this hour ;D but i know its ridiculous, im sorry the chinese dont know about it and need some training but 500 grand, why not use it on us and set up some internet raining or something do you think theyl be flying 1st class?
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Post by andy12345 on Sept 13, 2009 1:12:06 GMT
1st class no......they will be using a special service called boot on their £$££...ooh that rhymes.
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Post by laura on Sept 13, 2009 1:39:07 GMT
i dont get it, what ryhmes? time for sleep i think ;D
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Post by roland on Sept 13, 2009 1:49:16 GMT
Well I've been searching for hours and still haven't found where he got his funding which is interesting in itself because usually that information is included since the organisation doing the funding wants some of the credit. I just found a little bit more on his profile on the University of Dundee's website: Translating research findings into clinical practice
Whilst it is of paramount importance that we generate a strong evidence base across all medical disciplines this evidence is of little practical value if it is not translated into clinical practice.
Along with colleagues in the European Network for Hyperkinetic Disorders (EUNETHYDIS) we have developed several clinical guidelines for the assessment and management of ADHD and a programme to aid clinicians implement these guidelines into practice.
We are also engaged in a 5 year project with colleagues in China (BANNANAS) assisting them to enhance clinical practice and to develop new models for ADHD care that facilitate accurate assessments to be conducted by non specialists.
Much of this research would not be possible without the cooperation of the NHS Tayside Developmental Disorders Team whose flexibility and willingness to try out new ideas and models of service delivery have resulted the development of an internationally renowned clinical care pathway for ADHD and ensures the recruitment of well assessed children into our studies. www.dundee.ac.uk/cmdn/staff/david_coghillIf anybody else can find out a bit more about this funding, I'd be really pleased.
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Post by laura on Sept 13, 2009 1:52:54 GMT
sorry i know its a serious subject but BANANAS i cant help but laugh when i read it ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 3:17:30 GMT
This guy's from Dundee, but he's happpy to sell his expertise to the Chinese, while Scottish people keep suffering!!!
-i think this whole situations a disgrace!
It should not be called-
Building A Network Across Nations for ADHD Services (-BANANAS)
It should be called-
Working Across Nations with Kids Eager for Respect and Support!.. (and you can work out what that spells!)
-matt
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Post by andy12345 on Sept 13, 2009 7:34:03 GMT
Laura, 1st class and £$%" rhyme. I am sure you will wake up and notice it straight away today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 7:34:20 GMT
In general finding out about anythink in china is not easy maybe thats why nothing showing up maybe funded by chineese co that would explain better of leaving to a jounalist they would probably find in five minutes. Or some one with Uni access could probably get help to find out if said was for assignment.
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Post by andy12345 on Sept 13, 2009 7:37:42 GMT
He obviously has zero empathy for his scottish brethren as well and goes where the chocolate biscuits are.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 8:14:03 GMT
In general finding out about anythink in china is not easy maybe thats why nothing showing up maybe funded by chineese co that would explain better of leaving to a jounalist they would probably find in five minutes. Or some one with Uni access could probably get help to find out if said was for assignment. Hi Does the headlins not say UK Funding? So I would take it that the funding is being provided through a uk source? Perhaps Addiss may be able to assist with the information as Dr Coghill is on their professional Board? Honey x
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 8:41:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 9:02:30 GMT
Thanks Safensound. Just had a look but it still concerns me that our own health services are being underfunded with services being cut left, right and centre and here we as tax payers are going without while our DoH passes out our hard earned money.
Might have a chat to my MP on this one?
Honey x
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 9:12:38 GMT
The UK does it with everythink still think were an empire funding the globe while general joe blogs in britian are going back to said times in terms of health at the cost of upper class agenda of indusrty etc, ie we dont count were just the plebs paying for it and as long as they keep us all running round like rats we wont have time to notice. Great in hear in it compared to rest of UK anyway.
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Post by andy12345 on Sept 13, 2009 9:27:37 GMT
Roland's statement............. "Oh and btw I emailed the petition to Dr Coghill back in July and notice that he hasn't signed it and hasn't replied to my email either!" Is it possible that it did not get there? You have to send again to be sure. If he did ignore that then it shows that he is either a) an addy scientist b) money man c) both d) apathetic I know of uk trade and investment. Its basically all about doing anything possible to increase The UK's sales/services abroad (ie increase export) They are another quango that uses other quangos, EEDA, and others to give taxpayers money out whilst the quango takes a bit themselves, of course. Therefore, I would say, they would put noteworthy news on their site, if they have done something ie promoted abroad or given an investment. Don't forget, though, that there are European funds etc. However, our concern is whether money has been diverted from Scottish adhd training potentials. I don't want to knock quangos as I am still curious as to whether they offer better value for money than straight forward "employees in government" versus agencies (quangos a.k.a NDPB)....... www.prweek.com/news/920595/Concerned-quangos-seek-PR-help-avoid-Camerons-cull/ lol
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Post by roland on Sept 13, 2009 10:03:40 GMT
PMSL ;D I'm still looking for the funding source, because finding out could help make it a more compelling story, and make it very good evidence to submit with the petition in December
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Post by boo on Sept 13, 2009 10:51:07 GMT
;D ;D
i hadnt seen that before
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Post by laura on Sept 13, 2009 12:05:38 GMT
matt lmao ;D ;D
i get that rhyme now andy, my brain must have been frazzled ;D
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Post by roland on Sept 13, 2009 12:59:02 GMT
Still can't find the source of funding Which is very interesting because most other award notices seem to list the source. btw it seems that Dr Coghill knows that within NHS Tayside (for whom he works) only "15% of children were being recognised as having ADHD within NHS Tayside with 85% unrecognised" Sounds like NHS Tayside could use some of the £500,000 . . . Here is the full extract from the minutes of the Tayside NHS Board meeting held on Tuesday 31 March 2009 4.5 ADHD in Children and Young People
Dr David Coghill and Ms Caroline Mackie spoke to report IQC/2009/15
Dr Coghill advised the Committee that QIS had reviewed the service within NHS Tayside where they met and exceeded the recommended guidelines.
Funding had been received which would allow training of 20 members of staff which would include partnership agencies such as social workers in the delivery of the only ADHD specific parenting programme. Five members of staff would be fully accredited and would be supervisors with a further two becoming trainers. This in turn allows the area to become self-sufficient. He further advised the National Institute of Health Research was intending to fund parenting skills training.
Dr Coghill highlighted paragraph seven of the report which showed currently only 15% of children were being recognised as having ADHD within NHS Tayside with 85% unrecognised. QIS have thrown down the gauntlet to NHS Tayside to identify the 85%. If this was achieved, there would be a need for large levels of investment.
Dr Coghill indicated that recommendation four was to increase links with education around behavioural and academic support. He noted the issues in asking for uniformity within education in dealing with these children. He further noted a new ADHD consultant was starting work within the next few days and would be trying to move this problem forward.
Mr Wightman was pleased that NHS Tayside was the highest ranked board in connection with ADHD. He did however raise concerns over the numbers of undiagnosed children receiving no help. Financial implications had been touched on but there was a need for innovation with finances. Developing parenting skills and partnership working would go a long way to help the service.
Dr Coghill noted one group of staff would be trained and it was hoped they would go on to train others to deliver programmes through partnership services. Effectively the cost would only be time. The patients seen at present are those at the severe end of the scale and those with less severe symptoms could make use of the parenting skills programme which would be the preferred treatment rather than medication.
Professor Wells highlighted that a report had been presented to the Strategic Policy and Resources Committee and significant contributions had been made to the service this year with further funding next year. They were receiving £329k this year and £300k next year. Consideration would be required for further resoursing as it would need to be gauged against other priorities. He added that the Board was sympathetic to the issues raised in the report.
Ms Mackie noted working with other partnership groups was important. Each local authority had a parenting strategy. The right programme needed to be used for the right child and all partners should use the same programmes to ensure continuity. Mrs Forsyth asked that this service be remitted to the Tayside Improvement Panel for monitoring and updates. The Committee would be able to view the progress through updates from the Tayside Improvement Panel.
The Improvement and Quality Committee: · Noted the performance of the review · Noted the recommendations and proposed actions contained therein · Remitted to the Tayside Improvement Panel for monitoring of the service. www.nhstayside.scot.nhs.uk/about_nhstay/commitees/01_nhs_tayside_board/board_meet/20090604/docs_033052.pdf
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Post by roland on Sept 13, 2009 13:16:48 GMT
And here is the report he refers to in the minutes above: www.nhstayside.scot.nhs.uk/about_nhstay/commitees/08_iaq/31032009/docs_028329.pdfThe review also found that ADHD is particularly under detected in girls. There is an obvious need to raise awareness of ADHD among healthcare and other professionals to ensure that those children and young people who have ADHD are identified early and that appropriate interventions are put in place for them. Increased recognition and diagnosis will require to be balanced by adequate service provision.
The challenge of raising identification from 0.6% to 5.0% is considerable and even if fully funded would take time (minimum of 5 years). The main obstacles will be funding the service changes required to look after the increased patient load and getting agreement from primary care, education and community services that they will play an increased role in delivering these services.
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Post by roland on Sept 13, 2009 13:36:13 GMT
Hi Guys,
Dr Coghill has just signed the petition ;D
Than you Dr Coghill!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 21:55:42 GMT
WOW Roland, what you do to get him to sign so quickly?
Amazing!
Just a thought, do you think this funding may be coming through the pharma industry?
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