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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:15:16 GMT
Anyway, I am going to do something I didnt want to do and kinda makes me a hypocrite Please get some help, gamblers anonymous etc. You wont bamboozle me with telling me all about your savant skills/years of experience. And you wont intimidate me into pulling you up on this. Its a guilty secret in my dads family that wealth was built on other peoples misery and guess what no-one gambles in that family. I occasionally play poker cos my GF ran a pub tournament. But frequently the machines at her pub took in more than the beer sales. So I dont know a lot about gambling.... but I know plenty about suckers...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:22:09 GMT
Amblyman.
Do not question Jonboys credibility.
I know him - you do not.
Everything he has told you is fact and he earns a decent living doing exactly what he wrote about.
He really doesn't need help from shouty know-alls on the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:23:15 GMT
riiiiight....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:26:15 GMT
then please please please tell me how to predict a random number generator john, then I can go for James Randi's million dollar prize You know the one that is given away to people who can show paranormal abilities...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:26:16 GMT
Very few machines in the UK use a RNG.
Almost all that do are the newer £500 jackpot machines. Even then, most will still have a compensated program that helps it try to keep to percentage (allocating more numbers to big wins when it is paying behind percentage, and allocating less numbers to big wins when it is paying above percentage) Ever since machines used electronics, they have had to be programmed to pay out whatever percentage they are set to. This is not by using RNG's (in the UK). They are NOT random, and never have been. You are confusing USA slot machines, with UK slot/fruit machines.
I will not tell you how much I have won over the years. But I don't HAVE to work now.
I also feel sorry for addicts that spend all their money (and beg/borrow/steal other peoples) to gamble. I have seen some very sorry sights in my time in playing them.
I have a friend that I used to tour the UK with playing machines. He is now the head programmer for a UK fruit machine company. I can assure you that there is not a top flight mathematician on the payroll. They use things called computers these days.
I feel that you are busy googling stuff to appear to have so much knowledge on the subject - but each time you are just sounding really stupid, because you are quoting American stuff, which bears NO coralation to UK machines.
Also - I do not play casino machines. As I have said earlier - I play UK fruit machines.
It would be difficult to lose 800 pounds on a 2p a go machine. You really need to specify which machine you are talking about here.
The offer is still there to name a specific machine - though if you carry on googling the whole web, instead of UK only, you will not have much luck finding some UK machine to pretend to know something about.
I don't suffer fools either (as I have shown on this board before). I am not angry at your denial of my income. I just have more of an insight how stubborn you are. Sometimes you just have to accept that something is true. I can actually PM you in great detail how machines in the UK are really programmed, and how I have made a living out of it. But I would hate to waste my time. I feel you would still not accept it (because you will still believe what you read about USA machines). It is as illogical as comparing a Microwave to a Toaster in my opinion. Totally different items, but they still cook food.
John
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:30:07 GMT
I know right, i was thinkin' the same thing, either that or it was a piss take. This is exactly the problem I have had. People with such closed minds. It's so much easier to say I care for an autistic teenager John yes, because being realistic and questioning the integrity of someone i don't know on the internet is closed minded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:31:02 GMT
then please please please tell me how to predict a random number generator john, then I can go for James Randi's million dollar prize You know the one that is given away to people who can show paranormal abilities... You cannot predict a RNG that is programmed properly. Stop getting hung up on RNG's. They are not used on (most) UK machines. John
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:34:27 GMT
This is exactly the problem I have had. People with such closed minds. It's so much easier to say I care for an autistic teenager John yes, because being realistic and questioning the integrity of someone i don't know on the internet is closed minded. Hey. Don't take it personally. I used the winky smily thing But it was a serious point. I have had so many people tell me that I don't/can't play machines for a living. If you still don't believe me after all I have written on this thread then maybe you are closed minded
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:41:28 GMT
bamboozle away, its a british company that makes american machines. In fact its even worse in the UK than the states as the minimum percentage is apparently 75% where in the UK it can be much lower.
being as even a 98% machine takes 300 a night its interesting to imagine a way that paying 2p a game can lead to a mortgage free lifestyle. Hey maybe u had 1 big win but it will soon fritter away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:42:42 GMT
yes, because being realistic and questioning the integrity of someone i don't know on the internet is closed minded. Hey. Don't take it personally. I used the winky smily thing But it was a serious point. I have had so many people tell me that I don't/can't play machines for a living. If you still don't believe me after all I have written on this thread then maybe you are closed minded you're missing my point. i wasn't saying i don't believe you or think you can't do it or it can't be done. i said i don't know you, and the way this forum goes some days especially when Phil is involved. It wouldn't shock me if you were on the wind up. as for gambling machines. if you sit in a bar long enough you can work some of them out pretty quickly, offer the person sat on them oblivious to the soon pay out a drink and then play the game and get what they put in the last hour! LOL ;D but i've never done that... cause i'm too closed minded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 23:48:22 GMT
and john, don't think i've forgotten you calling me a c*nt. winky winky won't cut it with me i'm afraid where you're concerned. you lost my respect.
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Post by phil on Jan 30, 2012 23:55:55 GMT
I remember in the 80's you could feed the bandit a little strimmer wire!! Steph: who me? So what do you reckons wrong with ya cock? ;D
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Post by boo on Jan 31, 2012 0:04:20 GMT
and john, don't think i've forgotten you calling me a c*nt. winky winky won't cut it with me i'm afraid where you're concerned. you lost my respect. hahahahahahaha! kameel, you're a card!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 0:16:55 GMT
Minimum percentage in the UK is 70%.
You tend to find machines set to 70% in service stations around the country. Most arcades will put category C machines (£10-£70 jackpot, 5p-£1 play) at 86-92% or risk losing their customers.
It is category C machines that I usually play (also occasionally category D (2p-10p play, £5 jackpot)).
Since the introduction of category B3 machines (25p-£2 play, up to £500 jackpot) then even in service stations you can see these at 90%. They are a proper gamble though, as are for all intents and purposes (with the exception of project coin machines) random.
I have never really had 1 big win, in fact the most I have made in a day would be less than £2000. Think of it more as little and often, rather than 1 big win.
When I started playing for a living the maximum win was only £8. And anything over £4 was in tokens. The machines did go on an enriched period though, and would pay anywhere from around £20 to £100 during this "streak".
A lot of what I did in the early years, was trying to work out when the streak was due. And playing the machine in a certain way to trigger it.
Over the years I have worked out that playing some machines a certain way could make them pay out more than intended. This is where the big money was made. As soon as someone in my close circle of gambling friends worked out something new, then we would tour the country and find locations. The next week we would work out a route, and take most of the money out of the machines we had found (not all of it, as we wanted the trick to last).
I had 1 trick last 10 years due to not being greedy. These days, with mobile phones/the internet, tricks get into the public domain much more quickly, and updates to the program are usually brought out in days, or weeks at most.
Back to the present day, and I play mainly to have something for my brain to do (I am doing so many calculations at once while playing them). I don't travel the country any more, and I don't win as much as I used to. But I still make enough to tick over. I think I saved £8000 last year. So maybe I won double that. I should keep a database to be honest. It's one of them things that is on the "to do" list that never gets done!
If you can get your head around how these machines actually work, then you can see how it is possible to win on them. I lose some days. But I look at the average over the year. It levels out over time. Most of my losses have been out of playing things that I should have left well alone (once an addict always an addict). It doesn't happen often thankfully. But that is the joy of having ADHD and an impulse problem.
I do not know much about American machines to be honest. I do know that their laws are much stricter though, and all machines undergo testing to ensure they pay percentage, and are truly random. UK machine manufacturers are pretty much a law unto themselves. No testing is required prior to release.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 0:27:25 GMT
and john, don't think i've forgotten you calling me a c*nt. winky winky won't cut it with me i'm afraid where you're concerned. you lost my respect. No. I actually said that your reply made you sound like one. I was happy to let it pass, water under the bridge etc. If you wish to hold a grudge over it, then go for it. And as for your post above. That is the basic idea behind making a living from them. Knowing what signs to look for etc. Or blatent sharking (going on after you have seen a certain amount of money go in them). John
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 0:32:26 GMT
Bloody hell. Are you ever going to make any sort of positive contribution to this community, or is your plan just to whinge, snipe and boast like some kind of malevolent parasite? I wish it was possible for me to block your username so I didn't get distracted by your pointless ranting, and then lose my rag and rise to it. I can't believe you got me again! Sodding ADHD If only I had the self-control to ignore you! But i can't. I know jb; he's a good sort, and doesn't just shoot his mouth off to fluff his ego. Says what he thinks needs saying and knows what he's talking about. I'd trust him; in fact, I have trusted him, and I'm glad I did. It's a privilege to call him my friend. He may well have lost his rag and called you an unpleasant name, kameel, but he has issues, same as the rest of us; we all lose our tempers and write things we wish we hadn't - don't we? And as for trusting people...now you're questioning planetdave's credibility? Which bit? That he knows jb well, or that he's in a position to vouch for him? On what basis? Do you really want to alienate all the ADHDers here, one by one, when they're the only people with any hope of understanding where you're coming from, and offering sympathy and support? Hello? I wouldn't have got my dx but for pd, and when he started to help me, he didn't know me from Adam. I was just a person with ADHD who needed support. I'm probably not the only person here who can say that. He bothers about people like us, gives up his time for people like us, simply because he knows exactly what it means to have ADHD. Jb and pd are people who come here, not for themselves, but to help where they can. Honest people who care. Who do the right thing. Who strive, knowing how hard it is to succeed. They've tasted every drop as much of the bitterness and pain of failure as I can hear that you're tasting right now. They've railed against it, just like you, too. But they've decided, some point way back, to stop screaming 'why me?' and accept that there isn't a good answer to that. You might as well ask 'why not me?', as my father did, knowing he was dying, and still getting up from his chemo bed to help people he thought had it tougher than him. They found a better way. So when did you earn the right to disrespect them?? You have as much right to be here as any of us, ambly, so carry on posting as many forum inches as you like, whinging your life away. Now that kameel appears to have provided you with satisfactory 'feel my ADHD pain' credentials, you may even get some support in a form you'll tolerate. She's kind and determined to help, too, so you should be ok, there. But when it comes to taking pot-shots at others who have put a fair bit more in than they've taken out? Don't. Just. Don't
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Post by goosey on Jan 31, 2012 0:37:45 GMT
I too know JB and can vouch for his success with the machines. What he doesn't know about fruit machines isn't worth knowing.
He has a lot of repect on this forum....something you have both yet to earn !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 0:38:46 GMT
I remember in the 80's you could feed the bandit a little strimmer wire!! Steph: who me? So what do you reckons wrong with ya cock? ;D I would never endorse machine fraud The fun is in calculating how to beat them legally. I get to know all sorts of inventive ways of stealing out of them though. The latest trick involved pushing a bit of metal in the side of the machine, the pound coins then bounced on the piece of metal when inserted into the coin slot, into the 10p hopper, instead of the £1 hopper. All they did then was take every win that ended in .50 and in 3 hours they had stolen all the 750 pound float. (it was a £500 jackpot machine, hence the high hopper level). There is a fix out now, that involves screwing an extra metal plate inside the machine. John
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 0:57:58 GMT
It's just beating the odds and after the fact now but in the 80's strimmers ensured we could get some cash when needed lol I can't say i'm a fan of systems that rob you ;D
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Post by boo on Jan 31, 2012 0:58:29 GMT
Are you ever going to make any sort of positive contribution to this community, or is your plan just to whinge, snipe and boast like some kind of malevolent parasite? i think thats glaringly and painfully obviously a big fat no, followed by a big fat yes, tbh shiny, dont waste your anger........
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 1:09:05 GMT
It's just beating the odds and after the fact now but in the 80's strimmers ensured we could get some cash when needed lol I can't say i'm a fan of systems that rob you ;D Did you also use piezo ignition on the electronic coin mechs in the late 80's/early 90's? one of them kitchen gas lighters that does about 20 sparks per squeeze, connect a wire down your sleeve and feed it into the mech. It gave lots of free credits. John
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Post by boo on Jan 31, 2012 1:11:32 GMT
btw JB
that made some really interseting reading actually, quite enjoyed that little lesson ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 1:15:22 GMT
I don't usually bore people with it. I know it's my obsession and could talk all day about it. Most people couldn't care less. I am glad at least one person read it Thanks John
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 1:17:44 GMT
No not that clued up! I know if you have a pound telly and got no £1's you can clock up credit with a trolly token and a bit of fishing line! I'm gutted now theres no fag machines now in the pubs
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Post by boo on Jan 31, 2012 1:22:56 GMT
phil, did you also wind the leccy back? ;D
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 2:08:13 GMT
no i got a fob meter i could bypass it or even get the tarriff changed digitally! but i can't be being dodgy at the moment as i would be a toby if i get a sentance for something so silly although i love taking risks! ;D i got my babies on the way one comes out blue i could pay the leccy bill for years ;D lol
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 3:08:51 GMT
i love a good cock fight since it's been banned in this country by the commy's we can only do it with our pork swords like conkers that is purrrrrrrrrrrfectly legal? true story! ;D i'm trying to get in that poor birdies head and trying to think why on earth he would want to attack you? it's got to be fucking crazy right it must know you're a vet!
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 3:17:37 GMT
cock's problems solved ;D
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 3:51:25 GMT
and don't even go there with calling me a-
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 11:36:09 GMT
Wow, I haven't been on the forum much in a couple of months. Lessons I took from this thread:
1. Some people have a lot of patience
2. Others should be careful to spell check if they're going to boast about their superior intelligence. Clearly there are different types of intelligence. Intelligence Quotient/Imbecile Quotient. Whatevs. The most intelligent people I know never bang on about it.
3. Fruit machines are a lot more interesting than I previously thought.
4. If you're hurting, you get cut some slack. You don't get a complete exemption from civility, especially if you repeatedly demand it from others.
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