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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 12:02:26 GMT
Yawn, good morning every. Yup same old same old nice to know I can still annoy people at a thousand paces. Did a bit of research and you know what? Rules of statistics still exist, and fruit machines in the UK definately run on RNG principles, the machine decides whether you win or lose before the reels even spin. The nudge, etc buttons are just garnish to satisfy the Government.
So the only way to make money is to sabotage the machines, use specialised equipment or simply rob them. Its odd that your "descriptions of how you make money" are identical to a couple of other sites for slot players out there, and guess what people dont buy it on those sites either. the phrase "fruit machine fantasist" ring a bell?
I could understand making money form being in the industy, maybe even fixing and repairing machines, or even running a site telling others how to make money in a "pyramid" system. Unethicical but believable. Maybe 30 years ago people could get away with making money on flawed software and broken down machines but not now, its a HUGE industy that attracts the best and the brightest, so where did y our "friend" get his degree and masters in programming? his Phd?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 12:22:29 GMT
Seriously? You went away and did some research into fruit machines just to score a point in a disagreement with someone on an ADHD forum?
Even if you're right, I think that must be the most hollow victory I have ever witnessed.
Stop being so poisonous, stop trying to make other people feel as bad about themselves as you clearly do, and pour some of that spiteful energy into sorting out your own shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 12:40:11 GMT
Poisonous cos I dont want lies and mistruths persisting? One of my many faults is my penchance to be right, rather blunt but right, its lost me jobs friends.
But you know what? If the cost of treatment for the ADHD is my soul then I will remain in hell, I was right about Stafford hospital when I was there, I was right about a manager being crooked at my last job, and I was right about the teacher on my last course being incompetent.
So call me poisonous, call me a leech if you want, but this thread was meant to be about NO BS, I dont want to hear about fantasy abilities, the phrase "pseudo-skill" comes to mind.
Its no different to the two week ambulance technician that I worked with who claimed to be an RAF combat technician and had done chest drains but didnt know how many ribs in the human body.
I can read when people are being elusive and telling half truths, just not great at being politically correct. Someone tells me they haven't had a proper job in 15 years then tells me they are a professional slot player...come on! If people beat the machines so easily why arent there a lot of millionaire slot players out there? 200 a session out the machine? how much went INTO the machine?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 13:11:58 GMT
Yawn, good morning every. Yup same old same old nice to know I can still annoy people at a thousand paces. Did a bit of research and you know what? Rules of statistics still exist, and fruit machines in the UK definately run on RNG principles, the machine decides whether you win or lose before the reels even spin. The nudge, etc buttons are just garnish to satisfy the Government. So the only way to make money is to sabotage the machines, use specialised equipment or simply rob them. Its odd that your "descriptions of how you make money" are identical to a couple of other sites for slot players out there, and guess what people dont buy it on those sites either. the phrase "fruit machine fantasist" ring a bell? I could understand making money form being in the industy, maybe even fixing and repairing machines, or even running a site telling others how to make money in a "pyramid" system. Unethicical but believable. Maybe 30 years ago people could get away with making money on flawed software and broken down machines but not now, its a HUGE industy that attracts the best and the brightest, so where did y our "friend" get his degree and masters in programming? his Phd? You know what - you ARE deluded after all. You seem to think that by reading some crap on the internet, written by an idiot that has a similar knowledge of machines as yourself, it makes you some kind of know it all on the subject. I know the article you talk about - the one saying about RNG's. It's bollocks. All of it. I have only once stolen out of a machine in my life. I meant it when I said I would not endorse machine fraud. Just because I know how it is done, it does not mean that I will do it, and I am frankly pissed off that you accuse me of stealing, when in reality it is through sheer knowledge of how machines work that I can win on them legally. The fact that you blanket ALL fruit machines into the same category shows how little knowledge you have in this area. There are over a dozen fruit machine manufacturers, each with their own base program (every machine they bring out will have slight variations, but the basic program tends to remain the same for several years at a time, until they decide to rewrite the software completely - usually when hardware gets upgraded). It is not about winning an arguement for me. It is about you being wrong, and me being right. If I was wrong, I would say so, and apologise (it does happen - I'm only human) Is your mental illness such that you have to be right about everything, even if that means you start to look stupid, digging yourself an even deeper hole in the process? Just for your information. I have come accross some fraudulent machines in my years of playing - machines that pay 50% or less. The government will do nothing about this problem. There is very little regulation of the industry, so long as the government gets their tax, then they are satisfied. I have complained as far up the chain as I could, but nothing was ever done about it. I was wondering how these nudge buttons satisfy the government? Most new "random" £500 machines just have a start button. There is an element of RNG in a fruit machine program. But it is psuedo RNG. It is not even close to true random. The way this will come about is if it offers a hold, or a losing nudge. Whether you get the hold, or the nudge is irrelivent. It has no effect on the payout of the machine. It is just there to make the gameplay more satisfying for the player. It is when the machine wants to give you a WINNING hold or a nudge that matters. And this has nothing to do with RNG's. It is based on a program that tries to keep to a set percentage. There is so much misinformation on fruit machines on the internet. And 10 years ago, there were so many sites ready to take your money and give you fruit machine cheats, or engineers secrets. It was all a scam. The cheats were either total fabrication, or 5 years out of date. I have said from the start, that you could name any machine, and I would tell you exactly how the program works on it. You now seem to accuse me of copying from other websites. I would love to know which website I can visit that has this information on it. I have 29 years experience of playing them (but not 29 years experience of winning!). I will give one example of a machine made in the last 10 years that will disprove your point about flawed machines. I think it was 2003. A 3 player game called golden game (made by a company called mazooma) The machine seeded it's wins all seperately. out of every credit you put in, a percentage would go to the operator 10-20% or so. The rest would get split up between all the wins. So the wins went like this. hold for £5/£25 win. roll straight in £5/£25 win/hold after nudge £5/£25 win (same pot) Nudge for £5/£25 win. Hold for golden game feature. Hold after nudge for golden game feature/3rd hold drop in for golden game feature(same pot) Nudge for golden game feature (followed by a linked nudge for £5 win) Nudge for golden game feature that went for a credit break (more than £25 - known as the streak) It also could roll 5X 5 pound wins in in the space of a few pounds of credits (7X5 pound wins on the £35 jackpot version that later came out) Are you still with me? I hope so. I worked out, that because this machine treat every single win as a seperate accumalating pot (see - no randomness to this program - it's set in stone) then it was going to be fairly easy to win on. But. I found out something else. When it was happy to hold for the XXX (5 pound win) it would not block the X(goldenX)X and give you the feature instead. Whoops Mazooma. Schoolboy error. It's a seperate pot. I could keep on taking the feature, and it would still keep offering it, as it was still happy to hold for XXX. I had that trick for 9 months. There were 9 sets around skegness, and quite a few dotted around the rest of the country. Most hoppers were 125 back then. Average profit was £200 per set of machines. You do the maths. Me and my gambling partner did very well out of it. Even though we procrastinated like hell, cause we couldn't be arsed to travel all the time to play them. That was the best trick I worked out to be honest. Most tricks are not true "emptiers", they just allow you to win so much before tightening up on the percentage. This trick was a true emptier. I could theoretically take unlimited money out of it, if it kept on being refilled. But that would be stupid. The trick wouldn't last long. Better to leave a little money in the machine, and let the local addicts refill them. I don't know why I wrote that - cause you will now no doubt find some irrational way to disprove what I did. I do not know where my friend was educated. I only met him through playing machines. He doesn't live anywhere near me, and since he got his job, we don't talk so much. I think they employed him as he knew a certain programming language (I don't know which one - I am pretty clueless when it comes to writing the code) plus he told them he had been a player for many years - and that really helps when it comes to making games that other players will enjoy. John
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 13:31:59 GMT
emptiers, systems, programs... its bordering on theology now, ie lots of complicated nonsense... your going to tell me next that you can tell when a machine will pay out cos the pretty light patterns change...
Your basic system boils down to looking for a machine that hasn't paid out in a while cos the statistical chances are that it will pay up cos it has to make up...
except statistics dont work like that, toss a coin a few hundred times to check that. So basically you shop around looking for fault machines, and the best luck you had was a few machines with a fault in Skegness almost 10 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 13:43:04 GMT
It was not luck - that is the point.
I cannot keep on talking to someone that is thick as fuck - honestly.
John
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Post by mccutcheon on Jan 31, 2012 13:51:43 GMT
can we please just ignore him? all of us? he'll go away eventually, as all trolls do... *sigh*
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Post by bert on Jan 31, 2012 14:00:04 GMT
Can we tell the naughty words removed by mod off ? Is that allowed ?
mod comment - not as a first post you aren't. Behave.
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 14:08:08 GMT
Sowing the
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 14:11:11 GMT
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 14:13:38 GMT
You can tell him anything you like but telling him to fuck off is not going to help him we would be no better than his MHT!
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 14:23:36 GMT
Lol i went off track! JB lol
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 14:28:39 GMT
John boy speaks the truth! Some folks can't see the truth! Where others wont accept! It! Guru Phil 2012
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 14:57:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 15:11:11 GMT
ahem...can you two put your cocks away and move the buckets of piss please. surely ambly, john could be of use to you? he could tell you how to beat a machine at your local to A. prove his worth. B. get you some cash to shush for a bit whilst you sort your life out and C. shut you two up!! come on! this is all BS so it's not allowed.
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Post by mccutcheon on Jan 31, 2012 15:24:59 GMT
thumbs up, audrey
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 15:27:57 GMT
You can tell him anything you like but telling him to fuck off is not going to help him we would be no better than his MHT! exactly, don't you people get it. ambly spent his whole life pushing til people break and tell him to fcuk off or worse. we have to be different if we want to help him. going on and on about how who is right or wrong isn't getting anyone anywhere. two bulls don't back down...JB be the bigger person and just drop it and maybe tell ambly something about yourself other than how he's wrong or you're right. this is all just silly and rather disappointing. why would you give a fat child cake when you know he's just gonna eat it up!!! adult ADHD hi audrey
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 15:31:54 GMT
It's not a male ego thing with me Kameel. It's just difficult to know what to say to prove something is true, when despite several attempts, he still does not seem to want to read properly what I write. I have been Pm'd about it, and I know now that he is just a troll that gets some kind of sick enjoyment out of winding other people up. I think by now, most people that have read the thread will see that he (by his own words) is far from intelligent. I am not going to try to explain what I do any more. I only told old tricks, as I am not about to share information worth thousands of pounds to the general public. That is akin to coca~cola giving their recipe out to all and sundry. (though much more money is at stake ) If it shows one thing, it is that maybe some of you can relate to how frustrated I have felt in the past when trying to explain to similar people what I did for a living. That lack of ability to learn something new that previousy seemed impossible, will not get you far Amblyman, in your quest for finding some scientific breakthrough to help humankind. John
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 15:46:37 GMT
It's not a male ego thing with me Kameel. It's just difficult to know what to say to prove something is true, when despite several attempts, he still does not seem to want to read properly what I write. I have been Pm'd about it, and I know now that he is just a troll that gets some kind of sick enjoyment out of winding other people up. I think by now, most people that have read the thread will see that he (by his own words) is far from intelligent. I am not going to try to explain what I do any more. I only told old tricks, as I am not about to share information worth thousands of pounds to the general public. That is akin to coca~cola giving their recipe out to all and sundry. (though much more money is at stake ) If it shows one thing, it is that maybe some of you can relate to how frustrated I have felt in the past when trying to explain to similar people what I did for a living. That lack of ability to learn something new that previousy seemed impossible, will not get you far Amblyman, in your quest for finding some scientific breakthrough to help humankind. John I think you are assuming he cares if it's true or not. it ain't worth it mate. I don't think he's a troll. he's just never failed at upsetting people. lets be different. think of it as him speaking another language you don't understand. take the good bits out and work with that. ambly needs someone to prove his self fulfilling prophecy wrong. Everyone assumes the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 15:54:54 GMT
hi audrey hello lovely.
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 16:10:06 GMT
I cracked the system that tried to crack me! I bloke got a five figure out of court settlement just for getting a punch of the police! I got strangled by the police and missed a trick! There are folks on here that are police and Ex police do i take this out on them? NO they have done me no wrong! I got the NHS by the bollocks! I got the probation service by the bollocks! I faced injustic for thouse who know my story you would think i'm off my fucking head! People are cleaver in there one right! I don't need to see someone dressed in red and green in a funny little hat with turny up shoes with bells on to know they are fucking fools! Only smarties have the answer! Ambly unless you start accepting things we can't help you! All i can advise is to be yourself! And if you can't be yourself be batman! ;D yeah be batman! ;D If all goes to plan my little hobby could pay for my house quite easy! Only fools and horses work!
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Post by mizmog on Jan 31, 2012 16:25:23 GMT
Kameel I hv to agree there... It's easier to pi*s ppl off and hv them prove u were right by attacking Than it is to open urself up to them!
Let's face it, ADHDers and Aspies hv a different kind of intellect and one that works on a higher level than most! Don't mistake intelligence for knowledge!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 16:31:52 GMT
It's not a male ego thing with me Kameel. It's just difficult to know what to say to prove something is true, when despite several attempts, he still does not seem to want to read properly what I write. I have been Pm'd about it, and I know now that he is just a troll that gets some kind of sick enjoyment out of winding other people up. I think by now, most people that have read the thread will see that he (by his own words) is far from intelligent. I am not going to try to explain what I do any more. I only told old tricks, as I am not about to share information worth thousands of pounds to the general public. That is akin to coca~cola giving their recipe out to all and sundry. (though much more money is at stake ) If it shows one thing, it is that maybe some of you can relate to how frustrated I have felt in the past when trying to explain to similar people what I did for a living. That lack of ability to learn something new that previousy seemed impossible, will not get you far Amblyman, in your quest for finding some scientific breakthrough to help humankind. John I think you are assuming he cares if it's true or not. it ain't worth it mate. I don't think he's a troll. he's just never failed at upsetting people. lets be different. think of it as him speaking another language you don't understand. take the good bits out and work with that. ambly needs someone to prove his self fulfilling prophecy wrong. Everyone assumes the worst. I usually get mad with people that don't listen. I am strangely not angry at the moment. When I get angry, I tend to be more irrational, and the insults come flying out I actually relate to him in many ways. Including being stubborn. There has to be a little give and take on both sides though. Being stubborn for stubborns sake has never got me anywhere (and I have done that plenty of times in the past). I have also laid into people verbally to make myself feel better. This has also never really helped in the long run. It just alienates people more. I think that erm...Phil? (sorry can't remember offhand who said it) said something that was very important. Something like "you must know yourself, before you can know others" I think that knowing myself has helped a lot with most aspects of my life. I was a closed book for many years. Bottling it all up, occasionally letting a bit of pressure release at some poor sod that didn't deserve it. I try to have a more open mind now. If someone can prove to me that I am wrong, then I can accept it. I used to use the method that amblyman has used on this thread. It has made me look stupid on more than one occasion. Maybe I just got old...... maybe I learned a bit of humility. As some famous person probably said sometime - you cannot find truth without humility. I don't know. I used to be an atheist - now I am an agnostic atheist John
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 16:45:47 GMT
I cracked the system that tried to crack me! I bloke got a five figure out of court settlement just for getting a punch of the police! I got strangled by the police and missed a trick! There are folks on here that are police and Ex police do i take this out on them? NO they have done me no wrong! I got the NHS by the bollocks! I got the probation service by the bollocks! I faced injustic for thouse who know my story you would think i'm off my fucking head! People are cleaver in there one right! I don't need to see someone dressed in red and green in a funny little hat with turny up shoes with bells on to know they are fucking fools! Only smarties have the answer! Ambly unless you start accepting things we can't help you! All i can advise is to be yourself! And if you can't be yourself be batman! ;D yeah be batman! ;D If all goes to plan my little hobby could pay for my house quite easy! Only fools and horses work! Speaking of humiliation - Strange you should mention Batman. I am Robin
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Post by goosey on Jan 31, 2012 17:27:05 GMT
I propose a dirty big fancy-dress food fight to settle this discussion.....
I'll be on JB's team as Bat Girl......shiny could be Wonder Woman and PD could be Banana Man !!! Go Team CT ;D ;D
Anyone else wanna play ??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 17:44:32 GMT
bored bored bored bored bored, carry on talking bout me all you want.
Meanwhile I want a proper grown up job, you know that adds to the value of mankind, in addition to which so 5 figures off the police? For an assault?
Most people dont even get an apology andsettlementsfordeath in custody are usually less, so what the fuck did you do?
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Post by bert on Jan 31, 2012 17:50:16 GMT
trolololololol Attachments:
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 18:46:25 GMT
Jon boy: you're not robin you're winning lol I ain't been posting here for ages call it taking a rest or i fucking let rip! If i let rip that makes me the bastard the bastard troll come fucking trouble making cunt ;D lol you see whats going on same heres same as me same as everyone else now! Lol ambly ain't the troll he is only a troll up on himself!
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 19:18:28 GMT
Goosey: can i be spiderman as my spidie senses are kicking off ;D Lol
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Post by boo on Jan 31, 2012 19:20:07 GMT
Wow, I haven't been on the forum much in a couple of months. Lessons I took from this thread: 1. Some people have a lot of patience 2. Others should be careful to spell check if they're going to boast about their superior intelligence. Clearly there are different types of intelligence. Intelligence Quotient/Imbecile Quotient. Whatevs. The most intelligent people I know never bang on about it. 3. Fruit machines are a lot more interesting than I previously thought. 4. If you're hurting, you get cut some slack. You don't get a complete exemption from civility, especially if you repeatedly demand it from others. Totally well said! Seriously? You went away and did some research into fruit machines just to score a point in a disagreement with someone on an ADHD forum? Even if you're right, I think that must be the most hollow victory I have ever witnessed. Stop being so poisonous, stop trying to make other people feel as bad about themselves as you clearly do, and pour some of that spiteful energy into sorting out your own shit. ooo, and again! poisonous indeed!
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