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Post by andy12345 on Aug 23, 2011 17:19:05 GMT
Psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen and his colleagues at Cambridge's Autism Research Centre have created the Autism-Spectrum Quotient, or AQ, as a measure of the extent of autistic traits in adults. In the first major trial using the test, the average score in the control group was 16.4. Eighty percent of those diagnosed with autism or a related disorder scored 32 or higher. The test is not a means for making a diagnosis, however, and many who score above 32 and even meet the diagnostic criteria for mild autism or Asperger's report no difficulty functioning in their everyday lives. It's an old test these days, there are some other's on wrongplanet.net
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 23, 2011 15:18:29 GMT
I'm bumping this to see if we can get some more neurotypical partners in to do the tests and give us more definition between adhd'ers and "aspies"
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 23, 2011 15:11:25 GMT
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 23, 2011 14:44:03 GMT
Dont sweat it kameelan. Overall I've had far less stress than many on here and in life. Doctors prescribing antipsychotic for correctly diagnosed adhd = ultimate fail and showing utter ignorance. Thank goodness for modern medicine....er yeah hmmmm.
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 23, 2011 13:38:48 GMT
For those who have not yet had any consultation or questionnaires and are wondering... I went for an ADHD consultation at the well known and long established Maudsley hospital/clinic in London in April 2010. 8 months before that, to be accepted for consultation, I had to fill in 20 pages of questionnaires (about 600q's - I counted), self rating 1-5. One month before going I had to fill in another 400, my mother also had to fill in about 400. For the year before that I went to see the local mental health team, had 4 sessions of mumbo jumbo stuff aka neurolinguistic programming theory, cognitive behaviour therapy; then saw a psychiatrist, a psychologist (for 2 sessions until I pushed the ADHD issue) an endocrinologist for hypogonadism related traits (during the wait for adhd consult) I covered many bases inc antidepressants, hormonal assessment, mental etc. After learning more and being more objective, refusing to get to easily labelled by telling people what the wanted to hear for meeting the critera, I actually contacted the MIRIAD project at kings college (Mood instability research into Attention deficits) as they are intricately linked with the royal college of psychiatrists, the maudsley, NICE etc I told them that I wasn't so sure that I had ADHD because my symptoms didn't seem strong enough. They said I should still have assessment at the maudsley. When I got to the maudsley, the grey-area-hating part of my psychology meant that I was objective about ADHD and I told them "I'm not sure that I really have it as I've never got big time into drink and drugs at all" _____________________________ THE ACTUAL CONSULT I had to talk to 2 people individually, total 3 hours 20 mins. The assistant psychologist used the DSM-IV-TR (USA) diagnostic for her interview with me (1 hour 20 mins) The consultant psychiatrist analysed all of the data presented to him, as well as the results from our 2 hour discussion. There were screeners for: Bipolar Spectrum Disorder, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Depression, ADHD, Autism spectrum disorders. Others' I can't remember. Now, the important part is that the Consultation was out of area funded by the NHS, which means the NHS agrees with the maudsley's assessment criteria. Some of these were DSM-IV-tr ratings, so UK had no part in creating them. There were many ADHD questionnaires. My 6 page maudsley reported detailed them. 1) Barkley current symptoms scale(self report) not UK originated. 2) Barkley current symptoms scale (informant report) ^^^=see above 3) Barkley childhood symptoms scale (self report) ^^^ 4) Barkley childhood symptoms scale (informant report) ^^^ 5) Conners Global index (self report) ^^^ 6) Conners Global index (informant report) ^^^ 7) Wender Utah rating scale ^^^ 8) DSM-IV-TR ^^^ Seems that none of the questionnaires are even UK originated! This is not really surprising because only ICD-10 (manual from the World Health Organisation) hyperkinetic ADHD was "officially" recognised in this country until the non-UK based Combined, Hyperactive and inattentive subtypes appeared. ADHD has been known (one label was simply "disorder of the nerves") and treated for about 40-50 years in the USA (don't know about other countries), so they have have a big start on the knowledge base since Ritalin was discovered to have some beneficial effects... However, there may have been some poor quality interpretation of critera to sell ritalin in the old days. Those gin swigging docs needed to fund their habit after all... So, in the case of ADHD, UK criteria aren't really there that I can see, so you can study dsm-4 dsm 5 etc without any probs, because CURRENTLY, there doesn't seem to be a uk diagnostic. My outcome was "advised to seek an autism consultation due to exceeding asd screeners and assessment for for mood difficulties, anxiety" Dysthymia can easily represent a lot of my traits as well lol. (think jack dee- a confessed depressive alcholic) Social avoidance or social indifference are also 2 of the strings to my broken bow of life. ;D ___________ Maybe some people would sway the verdict by exaggerating a bit, to get a diagnosis. Maybe I could have got medicated and not be languishing anymore.... After all. Ritalin was not created for ADHD, it is purely a stimulant and since it existed people used it for "study boosting" and experimentation, mood amoleriation etc, however for adhd it seems to strike well in most cases, apparently. I am so apathetic, unfortunately, that I have not even seeked atypical antidepressants/ alternate mood altering meds for my apathy in the last 18 months. Anyway, I hope this clears some "unknowns "out of the way.. Please only contribute to this thread in a concise, detailed, balanced manner as I have tried ;D to convey in this post (after 10 edits)
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 22, 2011 18:58:45 GMT
Don't make it hard for yourselves. It's easier to stay in .
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Aug 22, 2011 18:07:02 GMT
Post by andy12345 on Aug 22, 2011 18:07:02 GMT
QUOTE to the ADHD'er it's like this is great i don't have to lift a finger..
:0 Mad innit.
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 22, 2011 16:06:49 GMT
Dizzydumpling! Thanks for noticing, thanks for researching, thanks for interpreting and thanks for posting that article into a new and therefore fresh, thread. I know how difficult it is to achieve those last 4... But... Now, I have to formulate a reply arrrrrrrrghhhh. The most significant section for me is this... Firstly, my adhd consultation at the maudsley, mostly due to my memory, had an outcome suggested that I go for an ASD consultation, as I had already scored enough marks on ASD screening questionnaires. I can do that at any time, except they'll be a waiting list, unless I go private. Therefore, I'm already 90% autistic spectrum disordered. Also,in line with my approximate 100 NT and approx 100 scores on the ASD test that we all did a while back, I also found that PDD-nos fits me quite well. Also, I did not get the adhd inattentive diagnosis due to not remembering enough examples and I have not revisted my 6 page document properly to add tons of examples.. I am quite near to getting an autism and or adhd diagnosis (DSM 5 is heading to require less markers than dsm 4 to get an adhd diagnosis btw...Is that addressing a deficit in ADHD diagnoses or is it financially motivated?) One thing is certain, if I don't eventually get adhd, I will certainly get ASD, PDD-nos makes sense. Trouble is, I don't really care to deal with this pressing matter. pffft www.nhs.uk/conditions/autistic-spectrum-disorder/Pages/Introduction.aspx==================================================== MASSG, Hello and your quote below is very interesting to me with reference to the above... I think my biggest crime to myself is not even being able to try an ADD friendly medication. Also, it's quite easy to tell a medicated person... the seem more concise in posts without trying, unless you drafted it all 10 x before posting =============================================== (notices Phil and tries to hide but can't evade) You do have a handy habit of clarifying stances' in a simple manner. Rusty B= (lets just clarify it's Russell Barkley Is very well known and has numerous speeches - everywhere. I quote a mere sentence... "hyperfocus term conflict" Last second merchant /intention deficit disorder motivation deficit disorder/instinct difference compared to most animals Anyway, moving on and I think that's all for the moment...thinking hurts..
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 12, 2011 18:43:42 GMT
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 12, 2011 14:38:39 GMT
skullduggery
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 12, 2011 14:34:57 GMT
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Post by andy12345 on Aug 12, 2011 12:34:29 GMT
Could a class action suit be taken against these groups that are creating unbalanced articles/programmes', hence sustaining the standard response of "we all do that sometimes; you just have to concentrate; pull yourself together"?
It's like a sweeping mass defamation of character.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 22, 2011 1:07:59 GMT
Look in your profile settings, bottom.
There's a GMT alteration thingy.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 5, 2011 10:21:54 GMT
Phil, This country isn't the ultimate authority on everything. The NHS has steeped everything in conservatism, due to a very low budget. The USA has far more development potential because the population is far greater and, like private medicine, if you have the money, you get treated earlier. This is not always the case, of course. Testosterone deficiency for instance in the private sector, anywhere in the world, is a bit easier to get a diagnosis for. When it comes to money changing hands directly, companies always find a way to make it a little easier...... Remember...... Only hyperkinetic adhd was recognised in this country until 2008 NICE guidelines (if you're psychiatrist understands the authority of the royal college of psychiatrists and ADHD. Meanwhile, in the USA, 3 or 4? types were recognised from about 1980 and ritalin was used even earlier than that for "disorders of the nerves" and the other names adhd was given previously. I think everyone reading this thread clearly understands that opticians' are easily consulted and no one is going to take for gospel anything from teh interwebs. No, phil, but I do take himalyan eye drops. Also, you're memory seems to be lacking a bit, because we discussed cyclothymia before........ www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/problems/bipolardisorder/bipolardisorder.aspxIf the "conservative" (read money before people......) nhs hasn't updated their people with cyclothymia, it's not my problem.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 21:38:41 GMT
I'll be glad when these newspapers are locked behind paywalls. More time for procrastination then.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 21:33:49 GMT
Simone, how very dare you use the words "daily mail" and "health" in the same lifetime. Well done for apostrophising health pages........ tea and kittens is far better anyway
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 20:59:45 GMT
triggger lol.
My cousin and I both worked in the same establishment.
If we noticed constantly impatient, attitudey customer, we would take as long as possible to get the change out of the till. It's lucky you and I never clashed or we'd have a load of skeletons in the shop (andy draws coins forth from till. He notices the tarnish forming on the coins in seconds to him, but months to observers). That was off topic, but hey, adhd site? is anything on topic.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 20:33:59 GMT
You are persistent and well done (or medium rare? ) . It's best not to leave things too easily. I've done that too much in the past and I've been rather screwed up because of it. So, firstly, I had to get some more info just to clarify. www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/ocular-migraine.htm migraine that is otherwise symptomless bar the aforementioned symptoms. No pain migraine. The patterning effect could be called an aura, as part of a pain free, ocular migraine. However, as this can't be considered progressive, but random and is so few and far between I don't think I'm going to pursue it at this time. If It was increasing in frequency, duration or severity then I would probably wander to the opticians and get some evaluation. I'm sure perusers' of this thread will read the links and see for themselves and they have opticians they can ask. P.s my last pain migraine was when I was 9 and that was a real pain in the head. I wonder what triggered that? ?
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 19:03:35 GMT
In my updated first post, you'll find a link to something that looks almost exactly like what I have. The aura is not what I see.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 18:21:56 GMT
updated my first post with examples of optical migraine patterning.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 17:37:49 GMT
Before I look phil, please answer this.
In your experience, if I have these thingies you are referring to, am I likely to only have had about 6 in the last 6 years or should it be more. Also, if I am susceptible to these, should I at least have some other epiletic related issues at least once or twice?
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 17:28:17 GMT
Only as described previously. When I studied a few sites, I did not see epilepsy listed (unless I missed it lol) as linked to optical migraine. I did wonder it at the time.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 17:13:56 GMT
I sleep deprivated considerably for years, without optical migraines.
Now I don't and they only randomly appear.
I haven't found a trigger yet, not that I've got a running campaign to establish it anyway.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 4, 2011 17:11:33 GMT
why do today, what you can put off until the future?
I'm good like that.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 2, 2011 11:04:14 GMT
I think learning disabilities people have a worse time than anyone else getting diagnosed with ADHD. Interesting comment about 75%. Maybe the meds for ADHD are more expensive, maybe the low I.Q. causes specialists to question if their brains would really benefit from the meds and whether its really worth spending that amount of money on them, which i think they would benefit, but I wonder if theres another reason other than ignorance of lack of training??. ^^ what he said.... PD, I expected that would be the case. The headline of the article is rather strange. Methylphenidate May Reduce ADHD Symptoms in Autism. Are they suggesting that there are types of untreatable adhd in autism? After all, it's called adhd to differentiate...
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 2, 2011 10:43:25 GMT
that's a short post you've got there, stephen.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 2, 2011 10:34:16 GMT
and I've managed to procrastinate through the last 2 years without acheiving anything. do i get anything for that.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 2, 2011 10:27:38 GMT
What aspects of autism are treated with these meds exactly? I'm not hot on that subject?
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 2, 2011 10:21:31 GMT
You could guess from now until doomsday, which is a half-past next week. You haven't got much time, so plan it carefully.
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Post by andy12345 on Jul 1, 2011 15:23:51 GMT
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